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They are a bunch of delusional morons.
But i still think this is deliberate disaster capitalism, but they were not expecting such dramatic blowback
#trusster**** surely self explanatory
#trusster****
kelvin Full Member
I dont think they will replace her.
That's not a quote from me. Show me the full post.
I don't think they'll replace her this week but I think it is highly likely that they will replace her.
You said that I "claimed" they wouldn't replace her. That is false, I don't make predictions just offer possibilities. It's you that appears to enjoy making predictions Kelvin.
I assume you threw that claim in because you didn't know how to respond to my analogy with two years before the 1992 general election?
kimbers Full Member
She’s toastKK will have to go first
I reckon it is highly likely that she will replace him in an attempt to save her own skin.
But I can't see her realistically surviving long term.
Truss to go.
BJ to ride back to power.
Ethics committee find him guilty of lying and he's forced to resign again.
Not sure whatll happen after that. I suspect a interdimensional rift and we start going backwards through previous Tory PMs for the next two years.
I know they can't hand in the letters and get her out yet but it'll only take them voting against accepting the mini budget or something and she'd be gone.
I said i dont think they will replace her
Don't mix me and Ernie ip. I don't know which of us would be more discombobulated and it might cause a flaw in tbe space time continuum
Calling for an election
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619781
I said i dont think they will replace her
I'm not sure why you think that but you should have a read of this. It's already 3 days old but now the situation is even more critical for Truss.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/fed-up-tory-mps-already-28084637.amp
what an absolute **** of a man on Newsnight tonight.
[edit Daniel Kawczynski, apparently]
Don’t mix me and Ernie ip. I don’t know which of us would be more discombobulated and it might cause a flaw in tbe space time continuum
Sorry to both of you! 🤦🏻♂️
I assume you threw that claim in because you didn’t know how to respond to my analogy with two years before the 1992 general election?
No, just shit reading skills. The big difference is that in 1990 the Tory party hadn’t already pissed away a “rebuild with a new leader” opportunity by choosing someone quite so obviously unsuited for high office as Liz Truss. Liz Truss. They made Liz Truss PM. Prime Minister. Liz Truss! Prime Minister!
Got to take the positives:
The point I was making was that, for whatever reasons, the opinion polls were very similar to today and yet in the general election two years later the Tories still managed to win.
Ernie makes an excellent point here. The major danger for labour now is complacency and hubris. We all remember Kinnock’s self-congratulatory f up. Labour can still screw this up, and to avoid it they should be doubling down on what the voters are clearly signalling. Which is that they’ve had enough of being f** over by a tiny rich elite who think they can continue to serve their own interests with impunity.
Christ……the tories must be so ****ing desperate at the moment as all they could muster for Question Time was the right wing libertarian despicable poisoned smurf Paul Scully.
Yeah, you probably haven’t heard of him before but he’s been investigated many times for lobbying and other issues regarding his think tanks. If you can think of a political no-no, it’s safe to say his grubby little hands are all over it.
I thought Liz Truss was the only Labour sleeper agent, if that’s the case then Scully will cripple the tories further with whatever shite he regurgitates tonight.
Another lie exposed
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1575592073482207232?t=Nhd7UYw-vsvvx3rn_-fcMA&s=19
right wing libertarian despicable poisoned smurf Paul Scully
Ah that's who it is. I thought it was Elvis Costello after a bender. Although he's a bit of a blithering idiot.
Nice to see we have a true blue Tory anal plant tnight on QT, he’s even called Dave.
Here’s Dave, don’t be a Dave.
https://twitter.com/dupetopia/status/1575614452606509056?s=21&t=B2Moa0tQpGjJrhT8_OFRFA
What a trussta****
Can't fire Kwasi, (because they're in it together), can't change her mind, because not doing that's her "USP", can't call GE because she'd loose - Badly enough to put the Cons out of power for a decade.
Perhaps she's just hoping to be sacked, so she can claim "stabbed in back" by the men in grey suits.
We need to stop judging her with rational fact based logic (Captain) and remember that she is not living on the same planet as us, thinks she is competent enough to be Prime Minister and notorious for cynical turnabouts to get ahead. In Truss World this could all be changed and the reversal presented as a genius idea that she had all along and is a the best move for her pro-growth agenda and will save us all and only she can do it (etc etc) (actually no I guarantee she pronounces it "ick-cetera")
Going to see the OBR- it’s like 2 naughty children being sent to the headmaster
My genuine worry is that she can actually make things worse in Ukraine. If the markets were jittery and looking for a useful idiot to pin this recent carnage on then that goes double for Putin. He is already on the edge and one wrong move from Britain, one very ill judged piece of intel brought into the open, one pledge to put boots in ‘Russia’ (wherever it is deemed to be) that hasnt been properly thought out and agreed with other Nato members is just the spark he’s looking for to escalate to the next level.
Imagine if the UK was held responsible for some dumb move that achieved that…….it doesn’t bear thinking about but after this week I wouldnt be suprised by anything these idiots do.
Going to see the OBR- it’s like 2 naughty children being sent to the headmaster
There’s a government minister trying to justify this on Radio 4 at the moment
I’ve never heard such gibbering horse-shit in my life
It’s an absolute insult to everyone’s intelligence how they’re now trying to spin this. I’m incredulous that a government minister is even trying to wing it with such obviously unbelievable nonsense
If this is the tack they’re going to take them I expect the pound will go into freefall again
Absolute ****ing clowns!!
I’m incredulous that a government minister is even trying to wing it with such obviously unbelievable nonsense
Ever since brexit they've just not bothered even vaguely being hones twhen they have a legion of outriders in the press & rentagobs on social media willing to legitimise their ideology they know they can brazen it out.
Yep, that's no change from Little Alexander just brazening it out.
Id barely trust them to be able to find the OBR office and not end up at Peppa pig world or somewhere by mistake
Nosebag economics coming at ya'
Lifelong Tories on the 5live phone-in saying they'd vote Labour as they now occupy the centre ground. Conservative party has gone too far right.
Ever since brexit they’ve just not bothered even vaguely being hones twhen they have a legion of outriders in the press & rentagobs on social media willing to legitimise their ideology they know they can brazen it out.
This.
And it's the B-word again - when you open the door to scoundrels, liars & cheats what do folk expect.
And another one
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1575761717270876160?t=h1KE8X-wABEEB-MIFa94CQ&s=19
Mash nails it again.
“Essentially we’ve got an economic Putin at the wheel. Anyone who doesn’t liquidate their assets and flee the country only has themselves to blame.”
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ah-shes-****g-insane-realises-britain-20220929226267
Don't worry, they've done some sums and we're better off. <checks workings>. Oh, hang on, I put the decimal point in the wrong place, it's all bullshit.
https://twitter.com/N1ckPayne/status/1575534008217239552
Those HM Treasury numbers are what you would expect to see from a Scam artist. This cannot be acceptable
grahamt1980
They are a bunch of delusional morons.
But i still think this is deliberate disaster capitalism, but they were not expecting such dramatic blowback
In what way didn't they expect the dramatic blowback? Do you mean public opinion or the markets and economy?
Perhaps they didn't expect "the people" to actually care but they must have known the effect on the markets otherwise they would be doing something to actually calm it rather than their current pouring more petrol on.
Going to see the OBR for an emergency meeting sets alarm bells ringing in every financial institution in the county, and is like shutting the stable door, after a massive fire has burnt the stable to the ground and all thats left is a smouldering pile of ashes
Idiot economics. Attach the brick to a length of elastic, pull it a little and nothing happens, pull it abit more, still nothing, give it a tug and get a brick in your face. Thats the analogy of KK workings
To my mind theres no grand plan here, if there was they'd be better, more thought out excuses being given, rather than the dead air and denial we saw yesterday.
The guys behind them are looking for short term wins and disappearing with their winnings, there's nothing 'grand' or long term apart from potentially a long line f-ups creating more quick wins that the party won't put up with for long
This is not Conservative by any means, it's idiotic gambling, their reputation as a party will soon be in tatters.
The Guardian this morning quoted an unnamed Tory MP as saying ‘like going back to read the manual once you’ve already broken the thing’
You've burned my house down
Yes, but we should look at the fact that I was cooking tea.
You've burned my house down!
Look, there was a lot of concern about what there was going to be for tea tonight
YOU'VE BURNED MY HOUSE DOWN!
I'm simply not going to say that I was wrong to be cooking tea
I DON'T HAVE A HOUSE ANYMORE
Can we talk about what I was making for tea? I'm worried that it's being overshadowed by just this one aspect of the preparation of tea
Experts are saying that there will be no tea, lunch or breakfast so some time to come, any comment?
[pause, some shuffling]
Let's recall the situation we were in before I started cooking.
The OBR should have asked Starmer and Reeves to that meeting (as well). There are a hard two years ahead… treating this is a (possible) transition period might reassure people that whoever is in charge after the next election is fully briefed.
Brutal from John Crace
https://twitter.com/johnjcrace/status/1575532366151520256?s=21&t=Eto7DaRCAtTyqVi4Yx9JCA
I think that HM Treasury tweet was a sleeper post from a disgruntled Civil Servant who knew exactly what they were doing. Easy to approve it without thinking £30k mortgage and an errr £500k deposit required.
How much are we expecting council taxes to rise once the spending cuts get flushed through?
To my mind theres no grand plan here, if there was they’d be better, more thought out excuses being given, rather than the dead air and denial we saw yesterday.
This is the incredible part. To do this without any thought as to how it would look or how it would play out? And then not have any idea what to say when you get grilled about it? What the absolute ****? I put more thought than that in my my work meetings!
The obvious one was the radio Lancashire interview
Obviously fracking was going to come up, so obviously she would have prepared detailed answers.... Instead we get awkward silence and nothing
Edit many obviouses
@stevextc
Honestly i don't think they were expecting any of it, and I'm also not convinced that truss or kamikwazi actually care about the damage they are causing, only in some abstract way which means they might have challenges in their quest to destroy the welfare state and government services
From that Guardian article on the previous page:
She was in total denial. Like an arsonist caught with a can of petrol.
Funny & tragic in equal measure.
Instead we get awkward silence and nothing
Given that she’d been hiding in a fridge for the previous 5 days, it does beg the obvious question as to WTF it was she’d actually been doing?
Pound back at £1.12?
Hanlons Razor?
I don't think they acted maliciously, that's reserved for immigration policy.
I think they had genuinely drunk their own Britannia Unchained cool-aid. They thought we'd be having coronation street parties and hanging a picture of our great Liz up with ones of Charlie the third in all the hallways of the land* at the news we were all getting tax cuts.
*on embossed Damask wallpaper for the full 70's aspirational vibe.
BofE save the pound (and pension funds). Prepare for the inflationary effect of all that though. Cost of living over the next year being hit from all directions.
Im with tinas.
I think she really believes in it and that she thought the markets would as well. Narrow thinking and no dissenting voices around her and being encouraged by the hard right think tanks and loons.
Pound back at £1.12?
It was always going to bounce back a bit but I think the dollar weakened too due to the hurricane as it lost a bit of ground to the euro as well.
Pound back at £1.12?
And it only cost 65 billion in inflation-fuelling QE and a massive interest rate hike!
I think she really believes in it and that she thought the markets would as well
Unfortunately, Liz and Kwasi have read Milton Friedmans Chicago School Economics for Simpletons, which clearly stated ‘reduce taxes and you will encourage economic growth’ and they took that at face value
+1 with TINAS.
I think they genuinely believe this - and are so surrounded by the echo chamber of their own rejection of any other view, that they think that this *is* the correct course of action to take. They really do think it will turn our nation around. They really do not think it will have too much of an impact - and if it does, it is the great unwashed who need to get a better job...
I said with Little Alexander that I have never even considered going on a political protest before - and was thinking I may. I am now actively wondering how I can engage and influence the politics of this country - and not just at a General Election...
Pound back at £1.12?
and the repercussions of the enormous efforts required to attain that are only just beginning
At the end of the day, all this self-inflicted damage was completely avoidable and is simply the result of the arrogance and utter mindless stupidity of Truss and Kwatang
I am now actively wondering how I can engage and influence the politics of this country – and not just at a General Election…
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/
I think they genuinely believe this – and are so surrounded by the echo chamber of their own rejection of any other view, that they think that this *is* the correct course of action to take.
They have allowed themselves to be convinced that any dissenting voices to this madness are just 'the orthodoxy' and should be ignored while the job gets done. That includes the OBR, but the job is mostly done now so they can make a show of listening to them.
It's an extension of the Brexit 'had enough of experts' philosophy, but turned up to 11.
Beware truss apologists banging on about £ rising against $ and €; BoE intervention and external factors are the drivers.
Markets have not changed their views about last week's fiscal event.
Question ^^^ about council tax; the squeeze on LA budgets has started and will worsen so council tax, IMO, will increase by an average of c5% - possibly more.
Councils will prioritise children and adult services followed by education; revenue and capital budgets for highways, parks, open spaces, play areas, street cleansing, street lighting and other similar services will be slashed - some councils, I think, will deliver only those services which are statutory or legislative requirements.
That may be only the start.
Anyone else expecting the head of the OBR to resign soon? Like the standards guy did with Boris
Has anyone tried turning Britain off and on again?
Just a thought
Has anyone tried turning Britain off and on again?
Tried it. Still getting the Blue Party of Death.
Has anyone tried turning Britain off and on again?
Isn't that what Truss is doing? Not sure about the back on bit though.
Anyone else expecting the head of the OBR to resign soon? Like the standards guy did with Boris
I'm not.
1) They're not a government department, so it's neither an elected minister or even a civil servant, just publicly owned and 'sponsored' by the treasury.
2) Their reports are public. Boris' ethics adviser only reported to him. So if he was un-ethical you had no real way of knowing what had been said/advised behind closed doors.
Suggesting someone at the OBR quits over this is like suggesting the BBC* Director General resigns because of bad news. Unless that bad news was to do with the BBC then they're just reporting on events.
*so I fully expect the Mail to call for both by the end of next week obviously.
Tried it. Still getting the Blue Party of Death.
Their reports are public
Like the one waiting on the new chancellor’s desk when he started in the role? Is that public? Did he act on it? Or did he rubbish it and keep it private. They work for him ultimately. They can’t publish without his say so.
Like the one waiting on the new chancellors desk when he started in the role? Is that public? Did he act on it?
Unless I've miss-read the news, they COULD have prepared him an updated report of the current situation last week, but he told them not to. So no report exists.
He didn't then send them the details of the "mini-fiscal event" so no report of it's forecast outcomes exists either (beyond the first draft they're apparently giving him today).
They prepared him one setting out the course we were on when he started. Not published. You’re thinking of a report around the changes he announced in the mini budget… he didn’t ask them to produce one. In both cases it shows that they ultimately work for him, he can silence them if he doesn’t want us to hear their analysis.
Markets have not changed their views about last week’s fiscal event
Indeed. And there’s a very strong possibility - in fact it’s a certainty - that the OBR report will say that this whole thing is economic illiteracy on a biblical scale, that looks like it’s been mapped out by a 5 year old with ADHD by randomly shouting numbers
And when it does, what happens then?
I am now actively wondering how I can engage and influence the politics of this country
Matt for PM, free canoes for everyone!
I don't think there's going to be a bounce.
I can definitely see a bounce in the second week.
It's rather flaccid mind.
Matt for PM, free canoes for everyone!
Slogan:
Yes, that IS a canoe in his pocket!
ernie, are you referring to kwasi?
Does truss share your view?
The x axis, is that days or hours?
They prepared him one setting out the course we were on when he started. Not published.
They supplied a draft on the 6th, how close that is to complete is a different matter (I'd agree it could well have been a finished draft, but that's not known?)
I can't find the quote now, but in the last treasury select committee meeting with the OBR the wording was allong the lines of 'this normally takes 10 weeks, we were commissioned at the end of July (so about 6 weeks to the 6th Sept) and will try to produce something that meets our minimum standards/obligations'.
Although we're now ~10 weeks so maybe that's why they're meeting again.
They supplied a draft on the 6th, how close that is to complete is a different matter (I’d agree it could well have been a finished draft, but that’s not known?)
Probably fairly simple. Something like: 'R You insane, bruv?'.
now it makes sense
Another one
*Only* 30pts
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1575816156937875456?t=f6dqkcywrDMGS94Vu37HAw&s=19
I'm calling bullshit on that Star front page. The only demo day I've ever been to at Balmoral was for Santa Cruz.
Councils will prioritise children and adult services followed by education; revenue and capital budgets for highways, parks, open spaces, play areas, street cleansing, street lighting and other similar services will be slashed – some councils, I think, will deliver only those services which are statutory or legislative requirements.
That may be only the start.
At the previous local elections 'we' voted a Tory council in, in Cornwall.
So far all they have done is cut services, our local pool is closed along with a couple of others (in a seasside town there is now no public pool for children to learn to swim!) they've closed educational outdoor centers & are threatening to close the Royal Cornwall Museum.
There is an inkling of a plan.
Scrap sterling wreck the country.
Call election they'll lose.
Then ride the wave of discontent to victory in the following election.