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hora - jumps off the fence with a quick edit...?
I think they'll agree too - the only way they can be really harmed is if LA actually 'fesses up & takes them down with him. From what I've seen of him over the years, this is very unlikely.
Have you had time to ponder Mr Smith's question yet hora? 🙂
There's a great picture of Lance here:
I wonder when the announcement will come that he has been dropped by Oakley, but has signed a new endorsement contract with Deal Extreme.
Have you had time to ponder Mr Smith's question yet hora?
Yes Hora, he does seem to want an answer.
MrSmith is a tad weird. I've already said that when George came 'out' that its impossible for him to be clean. If someone who has never tested positive admits to doping then its a world of shit.
I seem to have said McQuid...
McSquid - invertebrate.
so do you think lance doped or not? a simple yes or no will do.
Hora you do realize that a huge amount of doping bans in cycling are handed out to people that haven't tested positive. As Hamilton said, it really is an IQ test as much as a drug test. EPO becomes undetectable overnight.
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I've already said ... its impossible for him to be clean
I think you can take that as Hora saying that he thinks he doped...
I think you can take that as Hora saying that he thinks he doped...
no it's not the same thing, that's the same as lance's "tough week" "these allegations" etc.
Does it really matter... it's just a silly ego thing now for you guys isn't it...
no, just interested in how the staunch supporters/enablers react to the news, you only have to see the way ligget is carrying on and the reaction of glitterati at the livestrong do the other day.
i guess facing the reality that your idol is a fraud and a cheat is a bitter pill to swallow, or not?
That's a bit of a dangerous assertion, easy to shoot down, because very few occasional winning domestiques get one of these. << Pic of Rainbow Jersey wearing Lance >>
So everyone who wins the world road championship goes on to win grand tours? Sure, there ARE people who do that but there are plenty who don't. I can't find the quote but at least one of his former teammates who saw him ride before cancer said he wasn't a long stage-race sort of rider as he lacked the TT and climbing ability.
It's not like I'm saying he was awful you know, just that people around him never expected him to end up where he did. Which, given what we know about his doping, is a fair comment.
you only have to see the way ligget is carrying on
You reckon Liggett is going to apologise to all the people he called liars including the US govt investigators who he said were paying people to lie in court about Lance?
You reckon Liggett is going to apologise to all the people he called liars including the US govt investigators who he said were paying people to lie in court about Lance?
no, i expect he will try to deflect the real issue and apportion blame to somebody/something else.
even Phil Liggett now understands whats been going on...
You reckon Liggett is going to apologise to all the people he called liars including the US govt investigators who he said were paying people to lie in court about Lance?
Do you reckon Liggett actually remembers saying any of that? He exists in his own little bubble and is well past the point where a dignified retirement would have suited him nicely.
glitch bump
Ligget has dementia.
No it's not the same thing, that's the same as lance's "tough week" "these allegations" etc.
Its pretty clear IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO BE CLEAN - I see no way for ambiquity.
no, just interested in how the staunch supporters/enablers react to the news,
What do you mean by enabler here - Hora was Motoman 🙄
i guess facing the reality that your idol is a fraud and a cheat is a bitter pill to swallow, or not?
Of course it is and the sensitive way you have handled the goading has really helped and led to him providing an open and honest answer.
FFS we all have heros and we have all seen heroes fail..its not nice. There was a time when we all beleived in LA or Contador for example. When you realise of course it is not a good day and a "tough" week.
I dont see any need for the attitude tbh
It is a very clear statement now let it go - he had said the same on other threads about LA.
I've already said that when George came 'out' that its impossible for him to be clean. If someone who has never tested positive admits to doping then its a world of shit.
Banned!
"Armstrong has no place in cycling" UCI recognises the USADA report.
"Armstrong has no place in cycling" UCI recognises the USADA report.
Looking more like a assassination every minute.
they had no choice as WADA would have tried to strip them of the right to organise cycling IMHO
Is McQuaid's position tenable? "Why took over as president I made the fight against doping my priority. It remains my priority … there's still more work to be done. I have no intention of resigning."
we got this with it being his number one priority 😯
Either complicit or shit and either is a reason to resign
There was a time when we all beleived in LA or Contador for example.
who is this "we" shouldn't that be 'I' ?
Looking more like a assassination every minute
More like assisted suicide. Armstrong knew what he was doing and, so it would appear, so did everyone else. A lot of people are going to be trying to get their money back now!
Think a big line needs to be drawn under this and a fresh start made.
who is this "we" shouldn't that be 'I'
Not content with just goading one person now....bless.
Ok Only I ever thought LA and Contador was clean everyone else knew they were dirty cheats even Phil ligget- yes that makes sense thanks for helping me 🙄
Seriously troll someone else 😕
YAWN
Think a big line needs to be drawn under this and a fresh start made.
Just like 1999.
What a grubby sport
Think a big line needs to be drawn under this and a fresh start made.Just like 1999.
Hopefully a bigger, better line!
What a grubby sport
So which are the clean sports?
More like assisted suicide. Armstrong knew what he was doing and, so it would appear, so did everyone else. A lot of people are going to be trying to get their money back now!
Smacks of scapegoating to me. Did people go after Millar, Contador etc for their money back? Did they have all of their victories stripped? Did any doping agencies offer immunity to other dirty riders in return for testimony against ONE rider? Did any others get banned for life?
He hasn't done himself any favours by being a dick to so many people BUT there are some serious double standards here I can see.
McQuaid says placings for the seven Lance Tours will be discussed in the Friday meeting. Maybe they should've had that meeting before today? It's quite an important one.
Indeed.
Did any doping agencies offer immunity to other dirty riders in return for testimony against ONE rider?
That's one of Armstrong claims.
That's one of Armstrong claims.
I thought it was widely reported that it happened? I didn't think USADA had even denied it?
Seriously troll someone else
YAWN
hang on a sec, i have posted a lot of info in this thread right from the beginning, all that ashenden stuff and relevant opinion from various creditable and knowledgeable blogs/articles that was contrary to the enablers blind faith in LA's 'achievements'.
as a non believer right from the start i had no wish to be included in the "we" collective gullible lance fans that you mentioned.
troll? you can jog-on*
*not because you have or had a different opinion on LA as that's an essential part of the debate.
Smacks of scapegoating to me. Did people go after Millar, Contador etc for their money back? Did they have all of their victories stripped? Did any doping agencies offer immunity to other dirty riders in return for testimony against ONE rider? Did any others get banned for life?
LA was offered the opportunity to 'come clean' and assist with the investigation - he chose not to. Others did & had minimal/reduced punishments.
If LA had 'fessed then the statue of limitations would've applied & he'd still have 5 of his TdF titles.
Its not scapegoating if you go after the ring leader. You'd accept a plea bargain from a Mafia foot solider to get the top dog.Smacks of scapegoating to me.
USADAs case shows that LA ran the most sophsitciated and widespread doping program in sporting history. What is for certain is that he was the main beneficiary of doping during that perior even if he wasn't in charge.
In these circumastance I think the reduced bans are justified and fair.
Paul Kimmage giving him both barrels
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling-big-reveal-of-cancer-jesus-3266380.html
But the piece was spiked by the newspaper's lawyers. Later that summer, I wrote at length about Armstrong's return to the Tour de France and it happened again -- two weeks work, spiked by the lawyers. So it has been pleasing this week to see his face in so many newspapers. The cancer Jesus exposed. Justice finally done.
Smacks of scapegoating to me. Did people go after Millar, Contador etc for their money back? Did they have all of their victories stripped? Did any doping agencies offer immunity to other dirty riders in return for testimony against ONE rider? Did any others get banned for life?
You do know that they went after Ullerich and stripped him of some of his results and gave him a 2 year ban all despite him being retired and all dont you? You know the same time as Contador got 6 months...
And they should just ignore the biggest cheater in the sport just because he's 'moved on'? what anti-doping signal does that send?
If Armstrong had cooperated then presumably they'd have let him keep his first 4 or 5 under statute of limitations. Like the rest of the posties. This is what usually happens, cooperation/admission of guilt = reduced 'punishment'.
I didn't think USADA had even denied it?
Everyone who has admitted doping has now been banned, like Lance himself they couldn't be banned till the investigation ended. What is there for USADA to deny?
So, who gets the titles now?
AFAIK, Kloden was about the only clean* rider to have been on the podium alongside him!
* - Probably. Possibly. Perhaps. Etc.
So, who gets the titles now?
I'm thinking I might be in with a shout.
LA was offered the opportunity to 'come clean' and assist with the investigation - he chose not to. Others did & had minimal/reduced punishments.
Contador never came clean did he?
Its not scapegoating if you go after the ring leader.
Ring leader? I don't buy that for a second. All these claims the LA made people dope is just a fairytale. They're grown men FFS.
And they should just ignore the biggest cheater in the sport just because he's 'moved on'? what anti-doping signal does that send?
How does anyone know that he's the biggest cheater in the sport? sensationalist rubbish IMO. And at what point have I suggested that he be left alone?
Everyone who has admitted doping has now been banned
Banned for life? Stripped of all titles?
