[Closed] Keeping a caravan on a new development.....

So you already know that it shouldn't be kept there, but you think it's ok to keep it there? And anyone who objects to your breaking the rules is a 'local busybody/witch'?

Do you approve/are tolerant of other selfish behaviour by your neighbours?

wee and bombers
i detest folk who complain for the sake of it
Miserable ****ers...deny it is yours then park something outside her house

It will be a covenant either in your long leasehold (the freehold being owned by the management company of which you may own a share or not) or it's own entry on the charges register against your freehold with a beneficiary which may be other house owners individually or corporately. Not much you can do about it unless you can get the covenant waived (temporarily) or removed from the register completely by negotiation with any beneficiary (often for a fee).

Stoner, on the otherhand unless somebody else can be bothered to make a fuss about it (possibly involving lawyers costs etc) then there is little they can do to enforce it - i.e. answering the OP's question - no the council have no interest in the covenants (to my understanding).

the site rules only apply for five years i know cos i bought a brand new house five years ago....

Is parking an issue on the estate?

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Elfinsafety - Member
So you already know that it shouldn't be kept there, but you think it's ok to keep it there? And anyone who objects to your breaking the rules is a 'local busybody/witch'?

Do you approve/are tolerant of other selfish behaviour by your neighbours?

As far as I can see at this moment in time Fred, the only person being selfish is the old witch.

I knew I could count on you for an unbiased view though - cheers.

The point being, the only people it might bother are fine about it, yet the one person it has no effect on whatsoever, decides to wage war.

If it has to go, then I'm fully aware there's nothing I can do about it, but petty busybodies boil my piss.

falkirk-mark - Member
Is parking an issue on the estate?

No, there are dozens of spaces and it's parked unobtrusively in the corner of a car park that no-one ever actually parks in.

Why dont you just put it on a field somewhere or on an industrial estate, with a few others, then invite channel 4 round to make a programe about people who have caravans.

or perhaps how would you feel if somebody put a large crt tv and a fridge along with a car with obviouss signs of not being able to be moved on the same land, just like council tennants do.

I knew I could count on you for an unbiased view though - cheers.

No worries. 😉

But if you think it's ok to park your caravan there, then what if everyone else decides to do the same? Or decides to bung a speedboat there? Or a skip, etc?

I've never seen a caravan 'enhance' the look of an area, even a car park. What about if a couple of other neighbours decide to keep caravens there too? You can bet someone is thinking that this might reduce the value of their property, and put potential buyers off. Lots of people hate caravans (I know I do!).

I'd probably think so f***ing what Fred tbh.

Fair enough. But you can at least appreciate that not everyone else will think the same, and are of entitled to do so, and that they are choosing to obey the 'rules', however silly they may seem, giving them the moral high ground?

They've paid lots of money to live there, and may well want to live in a caravan-free environment. And as the rules support that, are they not entitled to live there without others breaking the rules as they see fit?

Just playing Devil's Avocado here, you understand...

STR I think it's a private thing from what you've said, needs someone who can enforce the right to start hassling you.

Elfinsafety - Member
So you already know that it shouldn't be kept there, but you think it's ok to keep it there? And anyone who objects to your breaking the rules is a 'local busybody/witch'?

Do you approve/are tolerant of other selfish behaviour by your neighbours?

Blimey you walked right into that. So you are 100% law abiding? And aren't slagging STR off for personal reasons?

Please try harder, this is embarrassingly easy for me.

Our last 3 houses have been new builds and they all have the covenant about not being allowed to park caravans outside the houses and good job too as I personally find caravans an eyesore.

Interesting what andyplasterer says about the 5 years as we have been in our current house for almost 8 years and thankfully no caravans yet. I wonder if the clause varies slightly by development?

So, given you knew about the covenant before buying the caravan.

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Big deal fatty - I can stick it in storage if I have to.

Al - cheers

Then do that- problem solved! No more busybody/witch neighbour problems! 🙂

So you are 100% law abiding?

No Al, he isn't - he thinks it's fine to steal music off the internet and see artists lose out on royalties for one example.

Get a campervan,then you can leave it and no-one can say anything.

In Scotland, due to feudal tenure and its post 2003 Act replacement, the feudal superior could enforce the right as well as neighbours on the development (anywhere, not nec. in line of sight etc) there may be an equivalent in Engerland, I dunno (basically historic estate owner etc).

Oh a hypocrite you say? Well I never. Who'd have thought it?

I had this with my lurverly neighbour when we got a caravan
and parked it on our drive well out of sight of said neighbour

He came round with a copy of the deeds and told me it had to be moved .

I said when the courts tell me to move it I will move it . ( he never went to court )

andyplasterer - ours have always applied indefinitely (last 3 houses).

falkirk-mark - I'm not certain but I think our current covenants prohibit campervan (and certainly commercial vehicles) too...

HoHum - yes each development (and certainly each developer) can have slight differences in the clauses. e.g. no boats here, but boats not mentioned at last place.

trout - Member
I had this with my lurverly neighbour when we got a caravan
and parked it on our drive well out of sight of said neighbour

He came round with a copy of the deeds and told me it had to be moved .

I said when the courts tell me to move it I will move it . ( he never went to court )

That's my current stance trout - and if it does go to court, I know who'se instigated it

Difference is, Trout's 'van was on his private drive; yours is in a communal car-park. Doubt it'll go to court; you'll get warning to move it, if you're lucky, or the estate owners can very easily just send a truck round, tow your 'vayn away. Scrapyard- bosh! No more 'vayn, no more problems! 😀

I would leave it there until I was told officially that I had to move it. Why all the sniping? Not exactly beating old dears over the head and stealing their pension - is it?

Get a campervan,then you can leave it and no-one can say anything.

Mate of mine had problems cos of his campervayn being parked in the estate car-park. He sorted it out though, as he could prove he used it as his main form of transport for work and that.

Another mate had some friends bung a caravan on his drive, which was tucked away down the side of his house, and two friends who were between houses live in it for a few months. Did get a bit problematic, as apparently there's planning laws about 'permanent dwellings' or something, but they sorted it by being nice to their neighbours, inviting them over for BBQs and stuff, and not 'officially' living in the vayn (basically it was just a bedroom really).

Bunging something on communal space is another matter though...

well about 5 people on our site av got them no problems av got a caravan but its way too big to go on my drive and av also add a big transit van parked on the road which they said i couldnt park
whos to tell you what you can and carnt do the only thing the house builder wants is your ****ing cash and for what a pile off fresh s*it ///

In Scotland, due to feudal tenure and its post 2003 Act replacement, the feudal superior could enforce the right as well as neighbours on the development

Apparently the builder of our scheme put a clause into the deeds that he got 5% of the value of any extension put onto any house.

I told him to F'cough and see you in court. never heard a peep since, that was 14yrs ago.

Nasty shed-dragger believes he isn't selfish? Only if you don't drag your shed around on the publc roads.

Well thought out, constructive argument there TooTall.

Thanks for your contribution. At least Elfin creates a semi-plausible argument, whereas you just deliver drivel, without using a spellchecker.

Went to see the old cow this morning.

Despite initially being calm and politely asking if she had a problem with the caravan, she instantly accused me of going round to be aggressive.

She then blustered that she didn't have a problem as she couldn't even see it, so I asked her who did, as it certainly wasn't any of my neighbours. She then told me that it was me who had the problem and I should take it up with the solicitor.

I once again asked her what the problem was if it wasn't bothering anyone including her by her own admission, to which she started moaning about ill health and not needing to deal with issues such as this. Here endeth our meeting with me telling her not to make an issue out of it then and calling her a spiteful old lady.

I'll expect a solicitors letter within a few days.

Sounds like a busy body all right. Try putting a green cover over the van. Whom ever is complaining might find is less obvious? If it's tidy and not blocking and ones view / light I can't see how it is being unreasonable. I don't have a caravan but they do seem to bring out an irrational bigoted hatred in some people.

Here it is as can be seen from my bedroom window - strangely none of the three houses that belong to the gardens in shot have a problem with it (including two old couples).

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So you are parking a caravan on the development despite knowing that you should not be doing so, you go round and intimidate and an old lady and call her names. A nice neighbour you are.

Where do you live? I'm thinking of complaining myself.

It's only an issue if someone makes it an issue though TJ.

It isn't bothering anybody, nobody seems to feel that they need to enforce the terms of the deeds (except her), she says it isn't bothering her, nobody has complained, so the only reason she has gone to the solicitor is out of spite.

It's her who isn't being very neighbourly.

Lol @ TSY

Yeah right. Of course you have the right to do what yo want despite the rules and to intimidate anyone who gets in your way.

Rules is rules, no? And if you do it, what's stopping everyone doing it? A line has to be drawn somewhere.

He wasn't being intimidating, was he?

Our house is freehold and there's still some clause in the deeds saying you can't keep a caravan on your own drive. We do.

and may well want to live in a caravan-free environment

Since our road is choked with cars strewn all over the place like the aftermath of a tsunami I'd quite like to live in a car-on-street free environment. However I don't go around whingeing about it.

So you are parking a caravan on the development despite knowing that you should not be doing so, you go round and intimidate and an old lady and call her names. A nice neighbour you are.

is this your definition of a good neighbour then?

The old cow who takes it on herself to be the local busybody/witch has been round today and made an issue - although she never even sees it from her house, or the approach to it. Despite stating that she doesn't have a problem and that no-one has complained, she felt it necessary to enquire with the solicitor acting for our management company (yeah, like she didn't know already) and he has confirmed that it shouldn't be there.

She started it even though it does not bother her nor can she see it what sort of neighbour is that?

His is at worst retialiation her response is just spite IMHO.

Remind sme off a woman complaining about a wind genreator that was ruining her view.... it is dused to provide power for Scotlands biggest rubber factory...some people are just moaners.

IIRC TAFKASTR is a big chap

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

Went to see the old cow this morning.

Despite initially being calm and politely asking if she had a problem with the caravan, she instantly accused me of going round to be aggressive.

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I once again asked her what the problem was if it wasn't bothering anyone including her by her own admission, to which she started moaning about ill health and not needing to deal with issues such as this. Here endeth our meeting with me telling her not to make an issue out of it then and [b]calling her a spiteful old lady.[/b]

Now that sounds pretty aggressive and intimidating to me and that is the artists side of the story. I wonder what hers is.

Why the artist thinks he has the right to go and intimidate his neighbours for complaining about something he is doing in clear breach of the deeds is beyond me.

Now that sounds pretty aggressive and intimidating to me

Yeah but it happened right at the end of the conversation after he'd been very reasonable. Plus it needn't be intimidating if it's stated as a closing comment in a conversation or as a simple fact.

His whole approach sounds aggressive to me - big man V old lady. Remember we only have his side of it. I bet he was aggressive right from the start - he often is on here.

Remember who is in the wrong here - the deeds say no caravan and the old lady is merely trying to make sure this is kept to - so the artist goes round and intimidates her ending up with calling her names.

She chooses to come round to our house (after she's been to see a solicitor and before even speaking to us in the first instance) whilst I wasn't in, so I was repaying the visit.

She's a spiteful old cow and thus I informed her of the fact.

Did he go and intimidate her? Or, did he go and discuss it with her and upon realising the futility of it got frustrated and made damn sure she'd carry on with her complaint?

I dunno, but I intend on hitting my head against the wall until my neighbour comes round to complain.

big man V old lady

but you paint it how you like.
spiteful does seem like an apt description of someone who complains about something that does not affect her and cannot be seen from her house

Oh, I forgot to mention.

I clearly don't care whether the do-gooders think I'm in the wrong, because there's no getting away from the fact that I shouldn't have a caravan there.

My point was to have a moan about a spiteful old witch who for no other reason than her own personal gratification, is being a complete tw*t.

Haha Junky I was typing out a very similar, albeit better punctuated post 🙂

Based on my understanding of caravan owning stereotypes I refuse to accept the Artist was being aggressive.

Haha Junky I was typing out a very similar, albeit better punctuated post

tbh it just seems to have evolved as an online charachter trait: I really should stop

I did shave my head to grade zero before I went round just for added effect.

So you accept you shouldn't have the caravan there but an old lady who complains is

a spiteful old witch who for no other reason than her own personal gratification, is being a complete tw*t.

No other reason perhpas than expecting people to keep to the rules they have agreed to.

I do hope you didn't go round mid way through chopping logs or a game of rounders.

My stereotype handbook says these are staple caravanning activities.

C'mon Teej, sometimes rules can be broken or stretched a little. We don't need loads of little Hitlers running around grassing people up just because of some silly rules.

Don't agree TSY. The artist knows he is in the wrong and is in breach of the rules he agreed to but slags off the person who will try to make him stick to the rules he has agreed to. Intimidating and shouting at an old lady - nice. Just because she wants him to stick to teh ruloes he agreed to.

He states all that, but shows frustration as it doesn't logically impact upon her.

Did he shout? Did I miss where he said that?

Intimidating and shouting at an old lady - nice

Hang on - simply because she's female and old means she should have special considerations?

Sexism AND ageism in the same sentence - good job TJ.

Touché Molly!

Molgrips - how hard of thinking are you? That is neither of those things. 😯 Think about where the power lies.

How can you attempt to defend the artist with his attempts to bully is beyond me. He knows he is in the wrong but attempts to bully the person who wants him to stick to the rules

I am deliberately trolling you by accusing you of sexism, but you did feel the need to STRESS that she was an old lady.

You or I have not the first inkling of whether or not he was actually being indimidating, so just bloody leave it and don't jump to conclusions. We only have one side of the story and will never have the other, so it's pointless.

You've got NO evidence whatsoever he was bullying.

This really doesn't come across as 'spite' from the old lady, regardless of what you have told us she said. The rules state that the caravan shouldn't be parked there. Even if no-one complained, you are clearly in the wrong. A decent person would do the right thing and move it.
This isn't a 'silly rule' imo. Caravans are disgracful eyesores and part of the reason some of your neighbours have chosen to live there is that they are not allowed to be stored on the development.

Caravans are disgracful eyesores

Wtf?

How can you attempt to defend the artist with his attempts to bully is beyond me

molgrips - Member

Caravans are disgracful eyesores

Wtf?

Junkyard - Its my interpretation from his posts both on this thread and previous. He admits losing his temper and calling her names - do you really think that is all he did? IIRC he is a big bloke. She is an old lady.

Perhpas she wanted to check she was right before making the complaint? I think the artist actions are pretty poor form - he knows it is not allowed yet tries to get away with it and calls the person who trys to stop him names

I'm going back round later Teej to smash her windows, post dog poo through her letterbox and piss on her doorstep.

FFS man I asked her what the problem was, who it was bothering and why she'd gone to the solicitor in a reasonably polite manner. She couldn't give me an answer, so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly. This was as I was leaving and had been there for all of a minute. Had I stayed she might have seen a bit more vitriol.

Oh, and she's not on her deathbead, isn't exactly frail and can give as good as she gets. She's horrible and always has been as long as she's lived here.

'Angledust would you complain about a caravan in a dead end that you cant see from your house ...just because you dislike them'

If the caravan was on private property and was allowed to be there it would be none of my business.
If the caravan is in a shared parking area where I live and the deeds clearly state that that is not allowed I suspect I would want it moved. Like I said earlier - what if 2 or 3 others also decide to store caravens there. Good way to make the area look like rundown and untidy. Some people will have chosen to live there (partly) because of the terms in those deeds. These rules are there to aid parking and try and keep the area looking relatively respectable.

Molgrips - you may find it hard to be believe, but plenty of people think caravans are disgraceful eyesores and don't want to live next to them. Funnily enough, that's (partly) why so many developments don't allow them - it helps them sell houses....

Thought I'd have a read of this as we might get a caravan (probably a camper van though) at some point.

OP,take a step back and think of the whole situation. As you say, you know you shouldn't have it parked there. And you don't care if people (do-gooders?!)tell you it shouldn't be there.

You sound incredibly narrow minded. So some of the neighbours are happy with it; some won't be. It isn't fair on those that don't want it there. People may say they are happy about it to your face, but may well feel that they can't say anything else to you- surely they too would then face your wrath.

Yes, some people can seem to be nosey old busy-bodies, but these same people can be well liked by others. As was said before, where do you draw the line?

so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly. This was as I was leaving and had been there for all of a minute. Had I stayed she might have seen a bit more vitriol.

Noe to diary: 'What is [i]wrong[/i] with me. For once I find myself agreeing with TJ 😯

yes but you are big and she is old so you are mean - it is not that simple

He admits losing his temper and calling her names - do you really think that is all he did

It isn't fair on those that don't want it there.

Junkyard _ I have never said half the things you claim I have. Teh artist on the other hand admits

so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly.

Edit - I am not teh only one who sees it this way

I have a builders truck parked next to my house, right outside my window, the car park in question has transit vans and cherry pickers parked on it, there are far too many cars for the road that people choose to park on the pavement, rather than use the car park, yet this is somehow an abomination?

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It's not the rights and wrongs, it's the pettyness that boils my piss.

We don't live in what you would describe as the most desirable location in Derbyshire (although it's not a dump). I've never claimed to be in the right, but it's just ridiculous given the circumstances.

If it has to go, then it will go - I always had this in mind, but I always knew it would be her that caused a fuss. I'm surprised it took her all of 2 weeks.

I might replace it with a skip just to piss her off.

And you don't care if people (do-gooders?!)tell you it shouldn't be there.

That was a reference to people on here stanley, not on my road.

Junkyard _ I have never said half the things you claim I have. Teh artist on the other hand admits

so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly.

Edit - I am not teh only one who sees it this way

'isn't fair on those that don't want it there.'

'you would be correct if she could actually see it from her house.'

Not strictly true. It could effect parking elsewhere or influence house prices....

Believe me angeldust, it doesn't and it wouldn't.

angeldust - Member

Not strictly true. It could effect parking elsewhere or influence house prices....

[b][i]A[/i][/b]ffect, not effect. And yes it, would, I wo't buy a place that has restrictive covenants like that and limiting your potential purchasing market is only going to have an effect on the price. There'll be people like me who will never buy it, and people like you who will pay a premium as they think it's a good thing

Leave a baby robin nailed to her door. That should bring incontinence at the very least.