[Closed] Keeping a caravan on a new development.....

Now that sounds pretty aggressive and intimidating to me

Yeah but it happened right at the end of the conversation after he'd been very reasonable. Plus it needn't be intimidating if it's stated as a closing comment in a conversation or as a simple fact.

His whole approach sounds aggressive to me - big man V old lady. Remember we only have his side of it. I bet he was aggressive right from the start - he often is on here.

Remember who is in the wrong here - the deeds say no caravan and the old lady is merely trying to make sure this is kept to - so the artist goes round and intimidates her ending up with calling her names.

She chooses to come round to our house (after she's been to see a solicitor and before even speaking to us in the first instance) whilst I wasn't in, so I was repaying the visit.

She's a spiteful old cow and thus I informed her of the fact.

Did he go and intimidate her? Or, did he go and discuss it with her and upon realising the futility of it got frustrated and made damn sure she'd carry on with her complaint?

I dunno, but I intend on hitting my head against the wall until my neighbour comes round to complain.

big man V old lady

but you paint it how you like.
spiteful does seem like an apt description of someone who complains about something that does not affect her and cannot be seen from her house

Oh, I forgot to mention.

I clearly don't care whether the do-gooders think I'm in the wrong, because there's no getting away from the fact that I shouldn't have a caravan there.

My point was to have a moan about a spiteful old witch who for no other reason than her own personal gratification, is being a complete tw*t.

Haha Junky I was typing out a very similar, albeit better punctuated post 🙂

Based on my understanding of caravan owning stereotypes I refuse to accept the Artist was being aggressive.

Haha Junky I was typing out a very similar, albeit better punctuated post

tbh it just seems to have evolved as an online charachter trait: I really should stop

I did shave my head to grade zero before I went round just for added effect.

So you accept you shouldn't have the caravan there but an old lady who complains is

a spiteful old witch who for no other reason than her own personal gratification, is being a complete tw*t.

No other reason perhpas than expecting people to keep to the rules they have agreed to.

I do hope you didn't go round mid way through chopping logs or a game of rounders.

My stereotype handbook says these are staple caravanning activities.

C'mon Teej, sometimes rules can be broken or stretched a little. We don't need loads of little Hitlers running around grassing people up just because of some silly rules.

Don't agree TSY. The artist knows he is in the wrong and is in breach of the rules he agreed to but slags off the person who will try to make him stick to the rules he has agreed to. Intimidating and shouting at an old lady - nice. Just because she wants him to stick to teh ruloes he agreed to.

He states all that, but shows frustration as it doesn't logically impact upon her.

Did he shout? Did I miss where he said that?

Intimidating and shouting at an old lady - nice

Hang on - simply because she's female and old means she should have special considerations?

Sexism AND ageism in the same sentence - good job TJ.

Touché Molly!

Molgrips - how hard of thinking are you? That is neither of those things. 😯 Think about where the power lies.

How can you attempt to defend the artist with his attempts to bully is beyond me. He knows he is in the wrong but attempts to bully the person who wants him to stick to the rules

I am deliberately trolling you by accusing you of sexism, but you did feel the need to STRESS that she was an old lady.

You or I have not the first inkling of whether or not he was actually being indimidating, so just bloody leave it and don't jump to conclusions. We only have one side of the story and will never have the other, so it's pointless.

You've got NO evidence whatsoever he was bullying.

This really doesn't come across as 'spite' from the old lady, regardless of what you have told us she said. The rules state that the caravan shouldn't be parked there. Even if no-one complained, you are clearly in the wrong. A decent person would do the right thing and move it.
This isn't a 'silly rule' imo. Caravans are disgracful eyesores and part of the reason some of your neighbours have chosen to live there is that they are not allowed to be stored on the development.

Caravans are disgracful eyesores

Wtf?

How can you attempt to defend the artist with his attempts to bully is beyond me

molgrips - Member

Caravans are disgracful eyesores

Wtf?

Junkyard - Its my interpretation from his posts both on this thread and previous. He admits losing his temper and calling her names - do you really think that is all he did? IIRC he is a big bloke. She is an old lady.

Perhpas she wanted to check she was right before making the complaint? I think the artist actions are pretty poor form - he knows it is not allowed yet tries to get away with it and calls the person who trys to stop him names

I'm going back round later Teej to smash her windows, post dog poo through her letterbox and piss on her doorstep.

FFS man I asked her what the problem was, who it was bothering and why she'd gone to the solicitor in a reasonably polite manner. She couldn't give me an answer, so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly. This was as I was leaving and had been there for all of a minute. Had I stayed she might have seen a bit more vitriol.

Oh, and she's not on her deathbead, isn't exactly frail and can give as good as she gets. She's horrible and always has been as long as she's lived here.

'Angledust would you complain about a caravan in a dead end that you cant see from your house ...just because you dislike them'

If the caravan was on private property and was allowed to be there it would be none of my business.
If the caravan is in a shared parking area where I live and the deeds clearly state that that is not allowed I suspect I would want it moved. Like I said earlier - what if 2 or 3 others also decide to store caravens there. Good way to make the area look like rundown and untidy. Some people will have chosen to live there (partly) because of the terms in those deeds. These rules are there to aid parking and try and keep the area looking relatively respectable.

Molgrips - you may find it hard to be believe, but plenty of people think caravans are disgraceful eyesores and don't want to live next to them. Funnily enough, that's (partly) why so many developments don't allow them - it helps them sell houses....

Thought I'd have a read of this as we might get a caravan (probably a camper van though) at some point.

OP,take a step back and think of the whole situation. As you say, you know you shouldn't have it parked there. And you don't care if people (do-gooders?!)tell you it shouldn't be there.

You sound incredibly narrow minded. So some of the neighbours are happy with it; some won't be. It isn't fair on those that don't want it there. People may say they are happy about it to your face, but may well feel that they can't say anything else to you- surely they too would then face your wrath.

Yes, some people can seem to be nosey old busy-bodies, but these same people can be well liked by others. As was said before, where do you draw the line?

so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly. This was as I was leaving and had been there for all of a minute. Had I stayed she might have seen a bit more vitriol.

Noe to diary: 'What is [i]wrong[/i] with me. For once I find myself agreeing with TJ 😯

yes but you are big and she is old so you are mean - it is not that simple

He admits losing his temper and calling her names - do you really think that is all he did

It isn't fair on those that don't want it there.

Junkyard _ I have never said half the things you claim I have. Teh artist on the other hand admits

so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly.

Edit - I am not teh only one who sees it this way

I have a builders truck parked next to my house, right outside my window, the car park in question has transit vans and cherry pickers parked on it, there are far too many cars for the road that people choose to park on the pavement, rather than use the car park, yet this is somehow an abomination?

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It's not the rights and wrongs, it's the pettyness that boils my piss.

We don't live in what you would describe as the most desirable location in Derbyshire (although it's not a dump). I've never claimed to be in the right, but it's just ridiculous given the circumstances.

If it has to go, then it will go - I always had this in mind, but I always knew it would be her that caused a fuss. I'm surprised it took her all of 2 weeks.

I might replace it with a skip just to piss her off.

And you don't care if people (do-gooders?!)tell you it shouldn't be there.

That was a reference to people on here stanley, not on my road.

Junkyard _ I have never said half the things you claim I have. Teh artist on the other hand admits

so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly.

Edit - I am not teh only one who sees it this way

'isn't fair on those that don't want it there.'

'you would be correct if she could actually see it from her house.'

Not strictly true. It could effect parking elsewhere or influence house prices....

Believe me angeldust, it doesn't and it wouldn't.

angeldust - Member

Not strictly true. It could effect parking elsewhere or influence house prices....

[b][i]A[/i][/b]ffect, not effect. And yes it, would, I wo't buy a place that has restrictive covenants like that and limiting your potential purchasing market is only going to have an effect on the price. There'll be people like me who will never buy it, and people like you who will pay a premium as they think it's a good thing

Leave a baby robin nailed to her door. That should bring incontinence at the very least.

do you really think that is all he did?

I have no idea, and NEITHER DO YOU! One of the most unpleasantly personal judgemental things I've seen on here. Very much not cool. Innocent until proven guilty is only fair.

Like I said earlier - what if 2 or 3 others also decide to store caravens there. Good way to make the area look like rundown and untidy

We're not talking knackered old sh*t heaps or 'members of the travelling community' here are we? No difference between cars, work vans, camper vans or caravans imo. If you've got silly prejudices against a perfectly reasonable item of leisure equippment then that is your bloody problem 👿

A knackered old heap of junk (like my van) is one thing, but then you wouldn't want a rusty old car on blocks there would you? Nothing wrong at all with STR's van going by the pics, same as there'd be nothing wrong with a nice campervan.

She couldn't give me an answer, so I called her a spiteful old lady, albeit rather loudly.

it's the pettyness that boils my piss.

You claim I don't make a valid point. Fair enough - I was having a pop at a shed dragger in a childish manner. Oh - and I missed a letter out and I feel bad about it.

Perhaps a better man would have risen above it or perhaps done the right thing in the first instance and stored their shed somewhere that it was permitted? I bet you'd be the first to shout if a load of travellers put their caravans next to yours.

Come off it moley.

My neighbours keep two enormous clapped out old minibuses either at their house or on the street at the top of the hill. They are ugly*. Do I complain? Hell no.

* the buses that is, not the neighbours 🙂

What a [i]lovely[/i] argument. I am pleased. 😀

'We're not talking knackered old sh*t heaps or 'members of the travelling community' here are we? No difference between cars, work vans, camper vans or caravans imo. If you've got silly prejudices against a perfectly reasonable item of leisure equippment then that is your bloody problem'

Molgrips - get some perspective. The situation we are discussing involves a location where caravans are not allowed. Therefore the person with the 'problem' is clearly the owner of the caravan, not the neighbour. If the majority of people shared your view on caravans why would so many developments not allow them? If you want to own one, or live in an area that allows them then thats your choice. The OP has chosen to live in an area that does not allow them. Seems pretty simple to me.

'My neighbours keep two enormous clapped out old minibuses either at their house or on the street at the top of the hill. They are ugly*. Do I complain? Hell no.'

Is there anything in the deeds where you live that says they shouldn't? This is the point of the argument that you are completely missing.

This is the point of the argument that you are completely missing

No, not really - in true TJ argument style, I've fully accepted that since there's no reason not to. STR and everyone else understand that it's against the rules and he is prepared to move it.

STR has said that he will move the van if anyone objects.

What he is complaining about is the nature of and motivation for the objection.

Has anyone tried the idave diet?

Don't matter what 'nature and motivation for the objection' at all. Completely irrelevant. He's broken the rules, then seems to think it's ok for him to do so and anyone who (quite rightly) opposes his selfish behaviour is 'spiteful'.

If I smoke a spliff, knowing it's illegal to do so, and I get nicked, there's no point me whining 'oh no you're out of order for nicking me', is there?

I'd be interested to know just how willing the OP would be to air his views were the complainant a proper massive psychotic lump with a penchant for 'orrible violence...

TBH the OP is out of order for going round the woman's house. What was that meant to achieve? if I'd bin her, I'duv told him to do one coming round my house disturbing my peace and quiet with his nonsense.