Jeremy Corbyn

I was obviously assuming a modicum of competence. 😆

funnily enough I wasnt planning on any violence

Exactly how are you planning to express your 'rage'? Will you need to get specially worked up for it once you're there, or will you turn up angry?

outofbreath - Member
funnily enough I wasnt planning on any violence
Exactly how are you planning to express your 'rage'? Will you need to get specially worked up for it once you're there, or will you turn up angry?

Exactly how are you planning to express your 'rage'? Will you need to get specially worked up for it once you're there, or will you turn up angry?

probably just read some of your rightwing press b4hand, job done!

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tho obvs wont be driving any vans into people as a result tho

Even the Queen's sounding a bit skeptical here! 😆

tho obvs wont be driving any vans into people as a result tho

Is that obvious? Osbourne was clearly a naturally angry person. Was he incited to get more angry? Did that incitement push him over the edge? I wouldn't be suprised to find it did.

Calling for more anger is *never* helpful.

Lets assume that's true. Would that not further confirm the interviewer's point? They just say whatever the audience needs to hear to acheive their objective?

The quote is accurate: I remember watching him say it on Question Time.

Most people would be pleased that he was working to make the GFA a success, but not you it seems.

Exactly how are you planning to express your 'rage'?

A strongly worded letter to the Times, I would have thought. Isn't that the correct way to effect political change?

Really - this discussion is pathetic even for alt-STW standards.

Joe, I have long argued that the Tories would do their proverbials in over Europe. They always have and always will. This is just the latest version albeit a more serious one due to Brexshit.

We have two major parties with weak and ineffective leaders surrounded by similar colleagues around them. The third party is about to follow suit. Hence my other frequent comment, why do people keep arguing for these collective muppets to be controlling more of our economic resources. Barmy idea.....

Truly desperate times, especially when A guy who has shown high levels of incompetence and a failure to instill confidence in those who work closely with him, is now perceived as a new Messiah. Another barmy idea...

Funnily enough the guy I am missing, despite his dodgy politics, is Angus the big man. He shone out in the leadership debates and then loses his seat to the Tories. You boys do some funny things up North!!!

Lets assume that's true. Would that not further confirm the interviewer's point? They just say whatever the audience needs to hear to acheive their objective?

The quote is accurate: I remember watching him say it on Question Time.
Most people would be pleased that he was working to make the GFA a success, but not you it seems.

Nicely dodged.

If they can't survive a wee protest ffs, change the government now, hand jezza the keys

I prefer a coalition TBH - it's actually more democratic if you think about it.

For once, politicians are forced to work with each other.

The downside is the unsavoury bedfellows one may have to have to affect a coalition......

I'll say it now - I've no love for the Tories & less for the DUP, I voted Liberal.

I had no idea about Dennis Skinner's traditional heckle. Excellent.

Labour MP Dennis Skinner is well-known for his joke to Black Rod on these occasions.

So what's he come up with before now?

1980 Labour MPs blocked Black Rod’s path.

1987 “Tell her to sell up!”

1988 “Ey up, here comes Puss In Boots!”

1989 “Oh, it's a good outfit!”

1990 “It tolls for thee, Maggie.”

1992 “Tell her to pay her taxes.”

1993 “Back to basics with Black Rod.”

1995 & 1996 “New Labour, New Black Rod.”

1997 “Do you want to borrow a Queen's Speech?”

2000 “Tell her to read the Guardian.”

2001 “You’re nowt but a midget!”

2003 “Did she lock the door behind her?”

2005 “Has she brought Camilla with her?”

2006 “Have you got Helen Mirren on standby?”

2007 “Who shot the harriers?”

2008 “Any Tory moles at the palace?”

Black Rod: “I’m going to miss you Dennis.”

2009 “Royal expenses are on the way.”

2010 “No Royal Commissions this week.”

2012 “Jubilee year, double dip recession. What a start” – prompted Tory cries of “shame!”

2013 “Royal Mail for sale. Queen's head privatised.”

2014 “Coalition's last stand.”

2016 “Hands off the BBC!”

2017 "Get yer skates on. First race is half past 2."

When people are angry they'll look between the lines and see the message the want to see.

That certainly seems to sum up oob's approach to the matter.

Isn't that the correct way to effect political change?

That's what makes this so dumb. Inciting anger to achieve political change is not only counter productive it's also utterly pointless when there are so many legitimate and effective chances to effect change through actual democracy. (We have a lame duck government who will be lucky to make it to the Autumn. We've had very closely spaced elections recently.)

teamhurtmore - Member
Joe, I have long argued that the Tories would do their proverbials in over Europe. They always have and always will. This is just the latest version albeit a more serious one due to Brexshit.

We have two major parties with weak and ineffective leaders surrounded by similar colleagues around them. The third party is about to follow suit. Hence my other frequent comment, why do people keep arguing for these collective muppets to be controlling more of our economic resources. Barmy idea.....

Truly desperate times, especially when A guy who has shown high levels of incompetence and a failure to instill confidence in those who work closely with him, is now perceived as a new Messiah. Another barmy idea...

Funnily enough the guy I am missing, despite his dodgy politics, is Angus the big man. He shone out in the leadership debates and then loses his seat to the Tories. You boys do some funny things up North!!!

I agree AR will be a big miss, one of the SNP dudes that I really liked.

Aside from the arguements about he said, she said, what is wrong with people being angry about these issues?
Anger != Violence

That the issues are of others deliberate making only furthers this.

That's what makes this so dumb. Inciting anger to achieve political change is not only counter productive it's also utterly pointless when there are so many legitimate and effective chances to effect change through actual democracy. (

i see your weak supplication to your political masters and raise you FPTP

Anger != Violence

Anger stops people thinking rationally and it *can* lead to violence. (Finsbury park attacker was famed locally for being an angry shouty person - coincidence?)

A day of "calm logical reflection" would be vastly more useful that a "Day of Rage".

That's what makes this so dumb. Inciting anger to achieve political change is not only counter productive it's also utterly pointless when there are so many legitimate and effective chances to effect change through actual democracy.

Don't be so silly. People are not angry because John McDonnell tells them to be, they are angry because their hospitals are closing, their schools are understaffed, their homes are burning down. To not be angry under such circumstances would be absurd. The question is how to let the powers that be know that they are angry in order that suitable changes can be made.

Of course an alternative scenario is to pretend that everything is fine and people have no reason for anger. That worked out rather poorly for Marie Antoinette.

FPTP

Just have calm peaceful protest about FPTP then. Better than driving a Van into a mosque.

Just have calm peaceful protest about FPTP then. Better than driving a Van into a mosque.

2 randon sentences thrown together there, not sure what they add to this discussion tho

The question is how to let the powers that be know that they are angry in order that suitable changes can be made.

Maybe voting for the opposition in such large numbers that the governing party can't even get a majority. I'd have thought that would send a clear message and lead to a very prompt chance to change the government in the very near future.

Joe, the outlook is very poor indeed. The economy is slowing, we have very weak politicians and the nightmare of Brexshit to deal with.

Plus the overall narrative - including austerity, inequality etc - is flawed, meaning that progress is unlikely to be rapid. Button down the hatches for a very challenging period ahead.

At least we have the BOE hinting that the period of officialy stealing may be approaching its bottom. That's one good thing, except for all the highly indebted!!

A day of "calm logical reflection" would be vastly more useful that a "Day of Rage".

Good plan. Maybe there's further application of this principle. Perhaps the FA should rethink their Kick Out Racism scheme and relaunch it as Politely Suggest Racism To Move Elsewhere.

The suffragettes missed a trick with Votes For Women - imagine how much more successful it would have been to [s]demand[/s]request Occasional Inquiry After The Views Of Women/

2 randon sentences thrown together there, not sure what they add to this discussion tho

You're saying inciting anger is a good tactic because FPTP. I'm countering that.

teamhurtmore - Member
Joe, the outlook is very poor indeed. The economy is slowing, we have very weak politicians and the nightmare of Brexshit to deal with.

Plus the overall narrative - including austerity, inequality etc - is flawed, meaning that progress is unlikely to be rapid. Button down the hatches for a very challenging period ahead.

At least we have the BOE hinting that the period of officialy stealing may be approaching its bottom. That's one good thing, except for all the highly indebted!!

There is only 2 options though, your analysis of it's all f'd is correct. Might as well give the other lot a go. There is no other option.

From my own point of view, I come from nothing, I have nothing, so i have no fear of nothing*. Let's crack on with it.

*In a balance sheet sense, I value my life differently though, don't feel too sorry for me! 😆

You're saying inciting anger is a good tactic because FPTP.

nope

. I'm countering that.

nope
😀

Sadly, your other option is significantly worse than the current bad one. Which leaves us in an almighty pickle.

We will look back at Feb 2016 (?) when CMD came back from Europe with a bloody good deal, albeit massively oversold, with some sadness of what has been lost. It's been downhill ever since.

Time to trade in the cards for a new hand then, as said no other choice, it's the only logical option. This lot are clearly incompetent.

I like his Glastonbury shirt!

Are Run The Jewels on after him? Apparently killer mike's mum just died 🙁

Yep they came on straight after - Killer Mike too

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Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you-
Ye are many - they are few

Ever seen a lion rise after slumber? You're asking me to yawn massively, scratch myself a bit, service my harem perhaps then nod off again? It doesn't seem like a recipe for political change;)

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What the effing chuff has anyone of this got to do with labour supporters voting for a Marxist Chancellor to 'fix' the economy. Bloody loony left in full effect.

the ranting racist is here again ...to the tune of happy days are here again

when i get a bank loan i have to pay it back.. when does the money tree need watering and by whom?

The explanation is not a pithy soundbite wrapped up in a straw man so it will be too complicated for you

when i get a bank loan i have to pay it back

Really? When I eat a jalfrezi, my farts smell wicked.

Your point being?

Man from affluent part of London speaks to people who paid hundreds of pounds for a weekend of music about austerity.

Slightly ironic...

Islington North is a mixed borough, like many areas of London now. Its not really affluent though the affluent have started to live side by side with the poor.

What interesting is that the RW seem to have realised they cannot counter the message he has so they will just play the man instead.

I dont think it is going to work that well as i think people see the disconnect between what they are told and what they see when he speaks

For the many not the few - its a simple powerful message* that you need to counter with more than just shitty barbs about money trees.

* its also hollow and meaningless like strong and stable, bring back control, make america great again etc

Man from affluent part of London speaks to people who paid hundreds of pounds for a weekend of music about austerity.

Least he can talk to them, the maybot would be hiding in a portaloo.