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£10 minimum wage - that's huge. It might cause trouble with employers, and it might spark inflation, but it's better than doing nothing.
if its 'by the end of our parliament' then it represents 5% per year increase. That's less than the average put out by the current parliament. Its one of those things that sounds good, but when the maths is unraveled its not massive..
The trouble is I don't think they would pay more, it's the same mindset around annual pay rises, no rise this year because the economy isn't doing well, we've not hit our (unrealistic) profit target etc. Why companies think it acceptable to not maintain the value of employees wages is beyond me, I suppose it's because they can. I wish they'd try it with their utility providers.
Also Starbucks may need to be on shore, many companies are desperate to off shore more manufacturing and this provides incentive to do it (ignoring the total cost of off shoring production is often higher overall).
I don't have the answers but it could backfire fantastically, bit like encouraging gender equality in the workplace (which is fundamentally the right thing to do) which has led to both partners working which has fuelled the house price boom meaning the family still has the same fiscal standard of living without one of the team being able to devote quality time to parenting for example. Society and it's problems are complex and simple solution often have intended consequences, I'm still in favour of a living wage, shrink the state, concentrate resources on supporting fewer people to a higher standard, but I don't think it's going to be a magic bullet that solves benefit dependency.
Companies will not redistribute salaries across the company and if they tried there'd be a mass exit of more skilled employees.
That depends on how many they employ at minimum wage and the balance of the above minimum wage salary. If could have little impact on the people above, maybe no pay rise for a year or two. Try explaining to them it is because they want to pay the lowest paid in the company a little bit more and all but the really selfish would be happy enough with that.
Employers will be a lot more picky about who they employ for £10 an hour and they will have a decent pool of people to chose from.
The pool of people will be the same, it is just the minimum you can pay has changed.
A lot of over thinking here, the minimum wage is not going from £8 to £50 is it...
encouraging gender equality in the workplace (which is fundamentally the right thing to do) which has led to both partners working
Eh? Why couldn't the man stay at home and look after the kids?
Living within our means is bullshit. Its idealogy that makes the Tories want to cut.
Yes it's the equivalent of your wealthy retired in laws lecturing you on how the pennies make the pounds.
It's the biggest myth going.
I knew I'd get a comment like that, I never mentioned who could stay at home, the point is now neither have the opportunity as both incomes are needed to afford an average property, the price of an average property being the availability of cash through an increase in household income or unregulated and irresponsible lending, both of which have pushed house prices up to stupid levels.
In hindsight when gender equality in the workplace was being introduced gender equality in the home should have also been a priority so that there was a genuine option for roles to reversed, instead we ended up with both partners working which led to house price inflation. Too late to put the genie back in the bottle now, to an extent paternity rights are catching up but society is still pretty polarised on gender roles unfiortunately. Anyway that's now irrelevant as many couples need both incomes to sustain the lifestyle they've come to expect.
Here's an interesting fact about some countries you might assume had a very high minimum wages. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland do not have any minimum wage at all. Instead every industry is unionised and the collective agreements define what workers are paid.
Minimum wages are only necessary when the fundamentals of your economy are skewed against the workers. While fixing the imbalance should be the priority a minimum wage can be used as a sticking plaster.
Anyone else listen to Jeremy Vine?
Corbyn did very well I thought.
Another poll out today that shows Tory lead down by 5 points, Labour have increased by 10 points since the election was anounced. Not a bad achievement in itself. Certainly worth watching what happens.
Another poll out today that shows Tory lead down by 5 points
And that was before they revealed that their core supporters are going to have to spend their kids inheritances on profit-driven care homes. 🙂
Vine banging on about Trident even though Corbyn answered his question comprehensively, twice.
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Another poll out today that shows Tory lead down by 5 points, Labour have increased by 10 points since the election was anounced. Not a bad achievement in itself. Certainly worth watching what happens.
Calm it down on the positivity please.
I am starting to think that if the election was not until August we would see a very good shift.
Labour are coming across very well (not including Abbot!) and people are starting to see who they really are rather than just relying on 3rd hand biased crap. Whereas the Tories really don't want you to know who they are.
Calm it down on the positivity please.
I don't think anyone's under any illusions, but it is very encouraging to see that Labour in pretty much every sense are running rings around the tories on the campaign front. Aside from the policies and manifestos, the general impression you get from the campaign is that Corbyn and Labour are out there taking on their critics and happy to talk to people, whereas May and the Tories are doing the opposite and complacently assuming that all they have to do is repeat soundbites and slag off Corbyn. Even the usual sycophants in the media look bored of it, and as a result labour are now getting a hearing.
Calm it down on the positivity please.
Yeah - still don't think there's time, unfortunately. But in many ways it wil be a shame if this increase in popular support doesn't come to anything.
If only you could weight your vote by how keen you were. So 30% of voters who felt really really strongly could beat 50% of voters who weren't overly bothered.
Well there is a little hope for Corbyn based on how badly the Lib Dems and Conservative manifestos have gone down. Amazing how incompetent all 3 parties are, embarrassing for them all and not a good omen for the UK whoever gets in.
dragon - Member
Well there is a little hope for Corbyn based on how badly the Lib Dems and Conservative manifestos have gone down. Amazing how incompetent all 3 parties are, embarrassing for them all and not a good omen for the UK whoever gets in.
agreed
what a shocking choice we have before us
my friends daughter was asked to do some corbyn art
selling well apparently- it was a request
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can grime save corbs??
http://grmdaily.com/video/rants-n-bants-election-break-down
Excellent video.
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Corbyn battle bus spotted:
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Tory trolls are quiet today, wonder if that's a coincidence given the papers today?
If only the labour party had got behind him from the beginning and made his attributes into a virtue rather than spend a year bashing him and feeding ammunition to the tory press.
I will never forgive them for what they have done. Hillary Benn, Andy Burnham and the rest of them.
I wouldn't normally 'lol' but that's made I laugh, that has. 🙂
If only the labour party had got behind him from the beginning and made his attributes into a virtue rather than spend a year bashing him and feeding ammunition to the tory press.
Agreed 100%.
Employers will reduce headcount
That argument has been touted about the Min Wage since day one, and - on the face of it at least - the exact opposite happened and continues to happen.
If I knew how i'd be tempted to put a tenner on May not being the next PM 😯
Having the party behind him might not have improved his popularity at all. I think having a bunch of neo-liberal blairites trying to bury you is actually good for a politician these days.
I'll just leave this here...
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/former-active-ira-member-serving-as-tory-party-councillor/
I'm not sure what I've done to deserve it. But I've had repeated Facebook adverts linking Corbyn with holocaust deniers and IRA sympathising so I guess some cages have been rattled.
Tories.
Lying duplicitous untrustworthy hypocritical murdering scum.
John McDonnell excelled himself on Marr.
"We will not borrow to renationalise the Water Utilities"
"We will issue bonds" 😯 😯 😯
As was pointed out to him thats hiw Governments borrow money and if they cut bills as they say they would they'd be no prodits to repay the debt either.
@piemonster Corbyn was recalled to the Commons select committee for lying about his meetings with the holocaust denier. His stance on the IRA has always been ckear as was his refusal to condem them at the weekend.
Inheritance Tax is a good thing say lefty STWers, we must stop the middle classes / wealthy giving their kids an unfair advantage. Using inheritance to pay fir social care - oh no that's a dementia tax
100 to 150 seat Tory win
His stance on the IRA has always been clear as was his refusal to condem them at the weekend.
Yes, it [i]has[/i] always been clear: [i]terrorism[/i] is reprehensible and to be condemned.
What - exactly - is wrong with that? To single out the IRA would be to downplay and tacitly approve of (for example) the UDA's terrorism (or were they OK because they were Loyalists and killed republicans?)
So we can at least conclude that Corbyn is not enough of a lowest-common-denominator, nationalistic, sound-bite spewing rabble-rouser for you.
To which I say "thank **** for that".
Inheritance Tax is a good thing say lefty STWers, we must stop the middle classes / wealthy giving their kids an unfair advantage. Using inheritance to pay fir social care - oh no that's a dementia tax
Maybe the lefty STWers can see there is a difference. Guessing you can't?
Inheritance Tax is a good thing say lefty STWers, we must stop the middle classes / wealthy giving their kids an unfair advantage. Using inheritance to pay fir social care - oh no that's a dementia tax
it was the FT, those well known lefties that ran the [b]Dementia Tax[/b] headline this weekend
Weak and Wobbly May is struggling to dig herself out of this hole of her own making
ice-cold-corbyn is just addressing ever bigger crowds....
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100 to 150 seat Tory win
maybe. but it's may's election to lose.
and you can't deny she's having a damn good go at it.
jambalaya - MemberHis stance on the IRA has always been clear as was his refusal to condem them at the weekend.
According to transcripts of the interview he said: “I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA.” Another jambafact then
His stance on the IRA has always been ckear
Go on then - what is Corbyn's stance on the IRA? Specifically.
It's almost unbelievable isn't it.and you can't deny she's having a damn good go at it.
She wants a stronger hand for Brexit, yet has the strongest hand at an election for 10 years and has forgotten how to play!
All she had to do was say nothing, talk to nobody and create a vague manifesto. Yet she keeps getting pulled into doing the opposite.
I have to say it was nice to see her getting a taste of Corbyn's medicine (for at least a little while) at her latest press conference:
https://twitter.com/benfolley/status/866636153268686851
he won't answer and you know it...
Go on then - what is Corbyn's stance on the IRA? Specifically.
"Whatever the Daily Mail told me it was..."
when I speak to friends about Corbyn they usually mention Diane Abbott, no-one seems to be keen to let her into power. Loving all the Corbyn stuff all over FB though, him greeting mobs of happy people, it's great. Didn't May tweet at the weekend saying if she loses just 6 seats she'll lose her majority (if labour and snp team up?!) - maybe I heard it on STW, can't remember but I'm loving that, just 6 seats, come on! Corbyn needs to get up to Scotland and stay there for a while, convincing labour voters back.
kerley - Member
Inheritance Tax is a good thing say lefty STWers, we must stop the middle classes / wealthy giving their kids an unfair advantage. Using inheritance to pay fir social care - oh no that's a dementia taxMaybe the lefty STWers can see there is a difference. Guessing you can't?
this lefty certainly can. Mind you I would have 100% inheritance tax over a relativity modest amount. I am disgusted that the tories actions mean that if my parents don't end up using their capital to pay for care I will be in line for hundreds of thousands of unearned income ( they didn't earn it either - its all house price inflation.)
I am disgusted that the tories actions mean that if my parents don't end up using their capital to pay for care I will be in line for hundreds of thousands of unearned income
Just how disgusted ? You can donate it to charity quite easily.
jekkyl - MemberCorbyn needs to get up to Scotland and stay there for a while, convincing labour voters back.
Realistically, no, he needs to concentrate on the fight against other parties. Scotland's a low return on investment- the odds of winning significant seats back are low and the benefit is half as much as winning or defending a seat from the tories. And tehre's a very real risk that they split the left vote and cause seats to flip from SNP to Tory.
All she had to do was say nothing, talk to nobody and create a vague manifesto.
On the contrary, I think this is the problem. They've tried that and it hasn't worked due in no small part to labour running a pretty slick and organised campaign. Thanks to the shocking complacency on the dementia tax policy, and the frankly amateurish u-turn, now the tories have to try and get May doing what she hates, which is answering questions, presenting her vision and getting out and talking to people. They've got quite a job on their hands.
allthepies - Member
I am disgusted that the tories actions mean that if my parents don't end up using their capital to pay for care I will be in line for hundreds of thousands of unearned incomeJust how disgusted ? You can donate it to charity quite easily.
Indeed. I have it planned what I will do with it in terms of good works. It won't all be spent on me. Unless they pop of very soon I will be retired with no mortgage. I don't need it. It will be spent some of it supporting things they believed in and the rest will go into the same trust for good works that I intend to set up with my will ie I will be able to set that trust up before I am dead