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Corbyn needs to get up to Scotland and stay there for a while, convincing labour voters back.
Realistically, no, he needs to concentrate on the fight against other parties. Scotland's a low return on investment- the odds of winning significant seats back are low and the benefit is half as much as winning or defending a seat from the tories. And tehre's a very real risk that they split the left vote and cause seats to flip from SNP to Tory.
also there is very little between the labour party and the SNP on policy. The SNP will support a labour government
yup another jambafact put to bed
Dementia Tax was coined by ... The Spectator
https://twitter.com/amolrajanBBC/status/866399729667760128
Have we done [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-poll-wales-general-election-2017-16-point-shift-swing-a7749786.html ]Labour have overtaken the Tories in Wales and has a 10 point lead[/url] ?
The turning of the tide?
Kimbers, John McDonnell was claiming "Dementia Tax" for Labour on Marr.
As I have posted before in very left leaning France not only do they means test the person concerned but the kids too. The cost of health care provision is rising very fast, much faster than any currently political party is planning for, Tories included.
@TJ you can set IHT threshold very low and it will still be easy to avoid. I practice it is only paid by those who are too dis-organised to plan for it or who die unexpectedly early.
Jamba - you can make it impossible to avoid if you want - and for most folk its their house so not something you can hide overseas
Mind you I would have 100% inheritance tax over a relativity modest amount
Go and suggest that to a farmer
his stance on the IRA
Really Jamba after the cluster**** of the last few days you're really going to have to do better than that. The trouble is that might have been shocking to people a couple years ago, but the tories shot their load on that too early and people have had plenty of time either to get used to it or realise it's a load of exaggerated bollox. The simple fact is that this tory campaign has been a shocking demonstration of hubris, arrogance and incompetence and everyone can see it. Keep on With the IRA nonsense though, you're only fanning the flames.
And it's such a transparent, tawdry, contemptible, dishonest trick he pulls, too - keep repeating the same lie, throwing the same mud, in the hope that some of it will eventually stick.
Might fly with Daily Mail readers (who are doubtless still looking forward to the £350m a week that we'll be able to spend on the NHS once we've closed the door on those bloody immigrants that Labour let in*), but it's gratifying to see that it's not a tactic with much traction here.
* A perfect example of "tell the same lie often enough and stupid people will believe it..."
No doubt Brillo will ask the same questions come Friday night, wonder what Jezza will have to say then.
*and never respond to clear evidence countering your point.
Unfortunately it worked for the leave camp, it worked for trump and it'll probably work for may.
Where's AB when you need him. With apologies to
"the bovine and phlegmatic Anglo-Saxons.""The eyes of the world are turning to Great Britain. We now have the moral leadership of the world, and before many years are over we shall have people coming here as to a modern Mecca, learning from us in the twentieth century as they learned from us in the seventeenth," said Mr Aneurin Bevan, Minister of Health, at a Labour rally in Manchester yesterday.from the Guardian July 1948 - organised spivvery has always been the best description of the Tories.The meeting was called to celebrate the anniversary of Labour's accession to power. The Labour party, he said, would win the 1950 election because successful Toryism and an intelligent electorate were a contradiction in terms. His own experiences ensured that no amount of cajolery could eradicate from his heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party. "So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin," he went on. "They condemned millions of people to semi-starvation. I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying, do not listen to the seductions of Lord Woolton. They have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse."
The Government decided the issues in accordance with the best principles, he said: "The weak first; and the strong next." Mr. Churchill preferred a free-for-all, but what was Toryism except organised Spivvery?
As a result of controls, the well-to-do had not been able to build houses, but ordinary men and women were moving into their own homes. Progress could not be made without pain. People who campaigned against controls were conducting an immoral campaign. There was a kind of schizophrenia in the country, so that people reading newspapers and hearing talk in luxury hotels got an entirely different conception of what was happening, which did not square with the statistics. The bodies and spirits of the people were being built up - but the Government's efforts could not be sustained except by the energies and labour of the people. Production must be raised to make the new legislative reforms a living reality.
The Government never promised in 1945 that everybody was going to be better off. It knew some were worse off to-day, but it always intended they should be.
[Bevan's "vermin" remark - one of the most famous jibes in politics - was adroitly turned against the Attlee government by Tory speakers, who pretended it insulted their voters rather than policy makers. However, Bevan merely retorted that men of Celtic fire were needed to bring about great reforms like the new NHS. That was why, he explained, Welshmen were put in charge instead of "the bovine and phlegmatic Anglo-Saxons."]
And isn't it depressing how little has changed since then?
jambalaya - Member
Kimbers, John McDonnell was claiming "Dementia Tax" for Labour on Marr.As I have posted before in very left leaning France not only do they means test the person concerned but the kids too.
Could you provide some evidence to support this please. Ta
Nye bevan spoils it at the end with that sneery remark about Anglo-saxons. Self mythologising bobbins. I believe he was from South Wales anyway, so probably of Anglo-Saxon stock, whatever that means, which is nothing.
Anyway, time for this.
Keep on With the IRA nonsense though
OK what about when Corbyn invited two convicted IRA to parliament three weeks after the Brighton bombings?
Depends where your sympathies lie eh, dazh.
Hmm - the party of Pinochet
OK what about when Corbyn invited two convicted IRA to parliament three weeks after the Brighton bombings?
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/former-active-ira-member-serving-as-tory-party-councillor/
Dya wanna keep up these IRA smears, 'cause theres another 2 Torys linked to the IRA that i can point links to as well as the one above, and im sure more can be dug out the woodwork.
Dya wanna hear the story of the ex IRA ASU member who was working both sides, was thrown out the cause for robbing old ladies with a baseball bat, went running to Mi5 for protection, then shipped
to Liverpool where he was later convicted for supplying heroin and after serving 7 years at Essels leisure, was welcomed with open arms in the Torquay Conservatives?
They neither justify Corbyn's behaviour or the idiots defending him.
It wasnt Corbyn who invited them if i recall, but an office junior, but dont let the facts get in the way of total bollocks
Next thing youll be telling me that ex-IRA members are actually MPs
where will this madness end?
oh wait, yeah peace after 90+ years of war
trying to fling this shit at Corbyn now is disrespectful to those that brought about an end to the conflict
You've got it wrong you crazy lefties. I don't think the Tories are enfht's party of choice.
And to think they used to call the left 'loonies'.
True to form DD, attack the individual and ignore the argument. Are the stars aligned tonight? You call me a Nazi and I'll call you a nonce, fair enough?
NIce post, good coherent argument
I'm just pointing out that your posting history shows that the Tories are possibly not right wing enough for you enfht. So no point in lefties refuting your posts by attacking the Tories.
I don't know why you're bringing Nazis and nonces into it.
Why on earth do you want to talk about child abuse anyway? Are you ok?
enfht you are Clinton Baptiste and I claim my free psychic reading
Awkward 😕
JEREMY Corbyn has “blood on his hands” for prolonging the IRA’s vicious campaign of violence, a former member of the terrorist group today claims.Ex-IRA man Sean O’Callaghan lifts the lid from within on the key morale boost and legitimacy that the hard left Labour leader gave the Republican fighters.
Labour's Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell with former IRA member turned politician Gerry Adams and Jeremy Corbyn Labour’s Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell with former IRA member turned politician Gerry Adams and Jeremy Corbyn
Ex-IRA man Sean O’Callaghan has claimed Corbyn's solidarity with the terror group helped to prolong the terror and violenceEx-IRA man Sean O’Callaghan has slammed Corbyn’s solidarity with the terror group claiming it helped to prolong the terror and violence
As backbench MPs, “despicable cheerleaders” Mr Corbyn and Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell showed public solidarity for Sinn Fein leaders and senior IRA figures through out the 1980s and 90s.While it left them shunned by mainstream British politicians, their actions spurred on the terrorists, deepeend their blood lust and increased the number of their vicitms, Mr O’Callaghan alleges.
The IRA murderer-turned-police informer also reveals today that the two veteran Socialists’ support was considered so vital that IRA commanders even discussed what effect their operations would have on their public pronouncements in case too many civilain deaths hindered them.
Cut n pasting from whatever Murdoch/Dacre hatchet job appeared on your Britain First FB feed doesnt make your case any stronger
For whatever reason, enfht doesn't add a link to that quote. It's copied and pasted from that well known bastion of truth and investigative journalism, [i]The Sun[/i]. I dunno, make of that what you will.
I'll make it bollocks, still. It was 2 female ex prisoners who'd served their tariff.
Mr Corbyn replied: "They were former prisoners who had come out of prison, women who had came out of prison to Parliament, actually to a meeting that had been arranged long before, (the Brighton bombing) to talk about prison conditions and rehabilitation of prisoners. Is there anything wrong with that since they had a spent conviction?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/luke-davies/re-examining-corbyns-dangerous-friendships
Could you provide some evidence to support this please. Ta
@kilo, my wife is French. Her father is very poorly and is paying for his "social care" - 100%. His hospital treatment is covered but after 3 months in hospital they have discharged him. You can find plenty of information on their approach online (if you read French) and it's been covered in the UK press.
Could you provide some evidence to support this please
Answer:
No.
The Wolfe Tone Society. Firstly listen to some of their music. Then you have Corbyn and McDonnell at Wolfe Tone Society events alongside active IRA members. As was said in the House of Commons by a Tory MP "some of those on the opposite side of the house would rather the other side won" (quote from memory). Corbyn has along track record of supporting the IRA side of the unification/troops out argument and at a time when the IRA where running an active terrorist campaign. This also needs to be seen in the context of the his support and legitimisation of Hezbollah and Hamas.
This also needs to be seen in the context of the
current tory links with the IRA members including councilors too. You wouldn't want to be accused of having double standards would you.
support and legitimisation of Hezbollah and Hamas.
We could go on at length about governments supporting and legitimising the actions of various groups/nations around the world in committing crimes and causing death including Israel, Saudi Arabia and many more, where do you draw your lines?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/mar/17/northernireland.peaceprocess
you can only make peace with your enemies
That's a great example Jamba.... of how to make things worse
As with his relationship with the ANC & the Republicans, peace has been achieved not thanks to stirring up hate but to dialogue,
With Trump courting the Saudis and Israel whilst backing Iran into a corner (insanely despite? an election overwhelmingly supporting the more moderate Rouhani)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-election-idUSKCN18E2Y8
Peace there seems further away than ever
The right do indeed seem unable to learn from history and we are all doomed to repeat it
I believe he was from South Wales anyway, so probably of Anglo-Saxon stock,
Given the time that's past I doubt anything can be a taken as indication of heritage but generally speaking the Pagan inhabitants of the UK prior to the German invasion where pushed out to Wales, Scotland, the South West, Ireland or even down to Spain.
Anglo Saxons had East Anglia and Mercia etc across to Offa's dyke. Vikings(Danish,Scandinavian/Russia) came from the North.
All until the Normans upset the party in 1066, although the Normans where actually of Viking heritage.
As was said in the House of Commons by a Tory MP "some of those on the opposite side of the house would rather the other side won"
"Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us, a defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed"
Diane Abbott, 1984
The right do indeed seem unable to learn from history and we are all doomed to repeat it
They do learn. Warmongering supports a vast industry with exponential profits
The Wolfe Tone Society. Firstly listen to some of their music.
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Christ you do come out with some bollocks jamba.
The right do indeed seem [s]un[/s] quite able to learn from history. [b] That the voters do not learn[/b] means that we are all doomed to repeat it
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I have their music @deadly (it was given to me I certainly didn't pay for it), they are a well know Republican supporting band with song lyrics to show that and plenty of quotes from the band members. My Irish mate said I would not be safe as an Englishman at one of their gigs in the Republic.
One example that strings to mind
[i]Some say the devil is dead, the devil is dead, some say the devil is dead and buried in Killarney. More say he rose again, more say he rose again and joined the British Army.[/i]
When Corbyn was elected it was one of my first posts that his links and sympathy with terrorists would be an electoral issue for Labour.
Some say the devil is dead, the devil is dead, some say the devil is dead and buried in Killarney. More say he rose again, more say he rose again and joined the British Army.
whhhooooaa with that level of dangerous sedition Id say anyone listening to it must be some kind of traitor, probably a terrorist and definitely a commie
you should here what N.W.A say about law enforcement in the USA, youd shit a starspangled brick over it 😉
I feel sympathy with many people who feel wronged or oppressed.
I don't condone violence though.
Am I a terrorist supporter?