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these guys reckon 100 + seats !
which is faesible, lets hope da yoof turn out, tho bad weather forecast will doesnt bode well for that
http://britainelects.com/nowcast/
Ok now I am either going with Labour win or 150 seat Tory landslide. Something shocking anyway.
This is comedy gold - [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/election-tory-strong-stable-van-overturns-conservatives-theresa-may-advert-a7776136.html ]Strong and stable campaign bus blown over by wind[/url]
75-100 remains my prediction. Personally I think the Tory lead has increased over the election campaign, I think the early polls where manipulated up and the latter ones down. All makes for headlines and an ability to "create the news" by the newsmedia.
May went into the election with a 17 seat majority and much talk of disruption to Brexit. IMO on Jue 9th sh will have a much much larger majority and a much stronger hand at home and abroad. Job Done.
I'm offline tomorrow , I'm sure the world will keep on turning 8)
If it's a landslide Tory victory I don't think I could face the gloating brexit / Tory kippers on social media telling everyone to get over it all over again.
Please let it be a slim Tory majority or labour landslide...
I think the early polls where manipulated up and the latter ones down.
Aye. Right.
Personally I think the Tory lead has increased over the election campaign, I think the early polls where manipulated up and the latter ones down.
Ooh go on then - why do you think this?
cloudnine - Member
If it's a landslide Tory victory I don't think I could face the gloating brexit / Tory kippers on social media telling everyone to get over it all over again.
Please let it be a slim Tory majority or labour landslide...
sadly itll be a gloatfest
enjoy the tories bricking themselves while you can!
jambys tinfoil hattery is quite amusing though
75-100 remains my prediction.
You were predicting 100-150 seats, so why the change of heart?
that is quite a lot of independent and unrelated voting companies you have had to have been nobbled for that to be true - I assume you have some evidence to support the claim then?Personally I think the Tory lead has increased over the election campaign, I think the early polls where manipulated up and the latter ones down
She will won but not by what she expected to and I very much dount the Tory grandees have any faith left in her
She will be very very lucky to ever face the electorate again as PM and will need to show some skill that has been hitherto lacking in her performances in either the election or her previous department or her premiership- the lady is for turning
I find it hard to believe even the most devout tory is energised by anything she has done so far its been pretty shit granted not diane abbott levels of shit but shit nonetheless
sadly itll be a gloatfest
Not sure what they'll be gloating over. Presiding over the the most complex and important negotiations in decades after their authority and reputation has been completely destroyed by the complete cluster**** of a campaign and up against a resurgent opposition (assuming the blairites don't start playing silly beggars, as they surely will). Whatever happens Corbyn and his colleagues can be duly proud that they have shown that an alternative is not only popular, but possible. What happens next is in the hands of the PLP.
Today:
jambalaya - Member75-100 remains my prediction
2 weeks ago:
jambalaya - Member100 to 150 seat Tory win
That's some good remaining.
Its because he thinks the tory lead has increased obviously
DUH he said so
That's some good remaining.
And nothing to do with the opinion polls he says are fabricated.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/06/vote-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-policies ]Monbiot hits the nail on the head[/url]. Whatever the result, things are beginning to change. They can either change fast, on Thursday, or take a few more years. First time I've ever really believed it though.
Mays latest u-turn is that contrary to the manifesto she (re)launched last week she wants to remove elements of the Human Rights Act
anything to shift the narrative away from her cuts to police
Mays latest u-turn
I guess the empty rhetoric about not letting terrorists win was all bollox. Hardly a surprise, given her propensity to cave in at the merest hint of trouble, but shocking all the same.
They under fund the police and then blame the internet and the people of their own country for spreading extremism in an effort to remove people's civil liberties: You really can't make this stuff up.
FFS I've got that Greg Knight jingle stuck in my head now... aaaaaaaargh!
encouraging newsnight vox pops in the west midlands
more squeaky bum time for the tories 🙂 even if they will win tomorrow
encouraging newsnight vox pops in the west midlands
Saw that. It's hard not to get carried away but it was a lot more than encouraging I thought. Even the self declared tory voters thought Corbyn was the better leader and potentially better PM. By any measure that's pretty shocking. They even said they weren't swayed by the security/terrorism issue, and mentioned police cuts and May's record. I'm sure the tories were already sh*tting themselves before that but it won't have made them feel any better.
Whatever the result, things are beginning to change. They can either change fast, on Thursday, or take a few more years. First time I've ever really believed it though
I suspect if/when the Tories win the bonfire of public services and education over the next 5 years will help. Governments always have a finite life. Landslide 2022.
PS any of you lefties want to help - Labour emailed me asking for donations to help fund targetted ads to get young people out to vote. I'm sure any Tory supporters would also approve of getting the youth vote out 🙂
Labour emailed me asking for donations to help fund targeted ads to get young people out to vote.
I got that email too. Definitely worth a tenner. I don't know what the tories are doing (other than accepting donations from billionaires) but labour's online operation is very slick.
I read yesterday that the average Tory donation is £60,000 and the average labour donation is £22.00
It shows who is funding who and therefore their motivations.
I think it will be an overall Tory win but by a very slim margin, not the result I would personally like to see but then I'm in a big city non-Brexit multicultural bubble and only know one person who is likely to vote Tory. It's the thick as shite guillable plebs in the shires who believe everything they read in the gutter press and Facebook who will swing it for them.
Frankly they will get what they deserve. Im amazed anyone who is going to rely heavily on the state and the NHS and is not a medium/high earner (by that I mean below the national average wage or on a zero hours contract) can vote for them?
I'll probably be slightly better off under the tories financially but would rather be part of a society that's inclusive and puts the welfare of many first rather the monied elite.
No youtube vid yet but..
2 facts everyone forgets in election fever.
1) The polls are never accurate
2) It's rare for the public to admit they will be voting Tory.
Really? In this post referendum world I think people happy to admit voting Tory.
Labour will get a solid percentage of the vote, but tries will still comfortably will due to electoral system is my relitively unconsidered guess
Monbiot hits the nail on the head. Whatever the result, things are beginning to change. They can either change fast, on Thursday, or take a few more years. First time I've ever really believed it though.
Agree. Corbyn has done a great job in putting forward a proper Labour manifesto and proved that more people want that than many politicians seem to think (including most of the Labour party themselves!)
In five years time the country will be a mess after Brexit and more people will realise the tory government really are not interested in them (it seems to take people about 15 years to realise it each time)
Put someone like Clive Lewis in as leader with very similar policies and that will do it.
Further. Amazes me the support for Corbyn now. Until the election was called, Corbyn was consistently critised for his values, policies and persona.
Do you not think it's odd that's changed? As I see it, his political party have a wiff of power and are reigning it in because they are thinking about their own jobs.
The whole things a bit mucky and I don't trust Labour one bit to behave themselves under Corbyn after the election. I'd never vote for Corbyn based on the bahaviour of his political party pre-election. I'm not Tory if that's of any interest.
Do you not think it's odd that's changed?
The only thing that has changed is that Corbyn has finally been able to get out there and demonstrate what he is all about. There's nothing odd about it.
It was never his policies that were criticised, before the election, it was that people didn't know too much about him.
If you look back over his history, he is a man of principle who votes and talks what he believes in. Whether you agree with him or not, you can't deny this.
These scenes are not so different from 1st leadership election. He was filling out every venue he went to then with queues around the block.
What is amazing is the intervening years have been a catalogue of **** ups and bad press (some Corbyn's fault, more not) and its still happening.
PLP owe Corbyn a big debt
gratitude, frankly a lot of them should be ashamed.
Given that May has openly said that she's willing to tear up the human rights bill - why are people still gladly voting for her?
Given that May has openly said that she's willing to tear up the human rights bill - why are people still gladly voting for her?
Because a lot of people want the human rights bill torn up. They think human rights don't concern them and will never affect them.
Remember, we are talking about tory mindset here, i.e not giving a shit about anyone else who needs help or protection.
Vote winner for Tories.
As is more homeless, killing disabled people etc.
Because a lot of people want the human rights bill torn up. They think human rights don't concern them and will never affect them.
same thing on the terrorism thread... "no-one wants to read my emails, ergo no-one should care if all emails are read"
It's a very short-sighted perspective
It's rare for the public to admit they will be voting Tory.
The pollsters know this and account for it.
The 'human rights' act doesn't register with a lot of people as actually their human rights. Its lost its meaning. Its been successfully misrepresented as a burden around the average joes neck imposed by the metropolitan elite that gives apocryphal special rules for ne'er do wells, scroungers, criminals and the like. Who wouldn't want shot of that? See also: Europe
Isn't it strange? We've a conservative populist leader who clearly despises people and doesn't want to be grilled by interviewers on television, because she's preparing to be grilled by the rest of the EU and will supposedly come out of it with a really good deal for Britain, that will be varying degrees of less good than the one we currently have and may indeed be disastrous.
They've decided they're going to tax old people to the tune of £100k, they've vowed to continue with austerity measures which continue to kill sick people. Our schools and hospitals aren't funded properly and the Prime Minister sacked 20,000 police in her previous job, while London has seen three fatal terrorist attacks in as many months.
One wonders exactly what the Conservatives need to do to piss people off. If I were a party leader trying to throw an election, this is exactly how I'd do it.
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And some people with intelligence still vote Tory!
Now Abbott's gone.. bit of a surprise that..
I don't think there's been an opposition leader that the press have been so keen to tear down in my lifetime. He's been billed as incompetent and dangerous and people have been made to feel stupid for even considering to vote for him.
Is it possible that in this election we might have more shy Labour voters than we have shy Tory voters?
I do feel quite sorry for Diane Abbott, in so far as I am capable of sympathising with any politician.
But she's clearly not been on top of her brief for some time.