[Closed] Is it unreasonable....

"(worst and most pointless animal in the world). "

Worst in what sense?

Please explain. 🙂

cinnamon_girl - Member

Get rid of your cat. Simples.

(worst and most pointless animal in the world).

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[b][i]"worst and most pointless animal in the world"[/i][/b]

Wrong species.

Try again.....

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Why should they address any issue you have with their pet when you, by your own admission, swore at her and threatened her? Think you have burnt your bridges, or any chance of getting them to do anything about it. Of course you obviously don't see it that way,as your op explains how you "had" to tell her to eff off.

Feed it some special meat. With "stuff" on it.

Prior to last nights events I have had a long discussion with her husband in my house trying to resolve these issues, they are obviously not wanting to ajust their dogs behavior, how can you reason with people who have convinced themselves we got a cat to torment their dogs, there's about 6 other cats that come and go through our gardens, I'm not Dick Whittington. They could easily stop the dog from going in the window but don't. I get on well with all the other neighbors and have walked other neighbors dogs, I'm think they could do a lot more to train their dog.

I'm afraid that you are being unreasonable. Not in wanting to have a quiet life but in expecting the neighbours/dog to do all the work.
To echo a few other comments your current behaviour won't be helping. The dog will see your attitude as a threat to its 'pack' and will act to defend it.
If you really want them to 'train' it not to bark at you it will take some efforet on your part. You need to meet them and their dog at a location awy from the house so it has nothing to defend. Make friends with it; whether playing, treats whatever. Let the dog see you being overly jolly and friendly with it's owners so it knows you are an extended part of the pack. What you are trying to do is make the dog realise that you are 'cool' rather thn a threat.
We moved into a new house with our 3 year old dog last autumn and he was very barky with one set of neighbours until we did the above. Worked a treat, he will still bark if he sees or smells strangers in their gardem but they get a waggy tail at most.

I love all the nonsense about it being the OPs fault and he has to do this that and the other to stop the dog barking!

He has to do nothing. Its the owners responsibility to train their dog properly. End of debate. If they can't do so they they should not have a dog

I have had issues with them over the dog as the problem used to be a lot worse, however they think because we got a cat (thanks molgrips hes brill) and the cat goes over to there's we somehow did this on purpose to antagonize the dog, how do I train a cat to do that ffs,

It's not a case of 'has to' though. It just makes it so much easier. Yes it's the owners responsibility to train it. It would be much quicker and easier to do so if the OP got involved in that process though.
End of debate? I wish someone would train you to be less rude, that's the end of my debate....

What - its unreasonable to expect your neighbours to train and control their dog? Even the kennel club admit barking dogs is a noise nuisence

Make a recording of a barking dog and rig up a sensor/speakers to play it back every time your neighbours enter and leave their house, or are doing something in their garden.

Sigh. Yet again you take a single part of a statement, ignore the context and use it to prove your superiority.
Yes, the owner has the responsibility of training their animal.
Yes, the OP has the right to live without a 'nuisance' noise.
Yes, he should be able to have some thing done about it.

Understanding how the dog's psyche works though (which you don't appear to) suggests that the OP's involvement in the training that the owner should be doing will give a much higher chance of a favourable outcome. Surely that is not unreasonable? Or he could not get involved, carry on being pissed off about it and the dog will sense his and it's owners moods and act to 'defend' the owners he sees as his pack, just like guard dogs do. It is aa case of letting the dog know he doesn't need to guard the owner from you, as you are part of the pack too. That is a hell of a lot easier than being a sanctimonious arsehole who deliberateyl misreads things in order to score imaginary points.

Feed the douchebag owners the special meat

Careful with this - the latest commandment from the BHF states that we're not allowed red meat because every mouthful will kill you and your family to death.

Yet again you...prove your superiority.

the latest commandment from the BHF states that we're not allowed red meat because every mouthful will kill you and your family to death.

You can please some of the people all of the time.
You can please all of the people some of the time.
But you can't please all of the people, all of the time.
The OP's change from 1st person plural (we need to sort out the problem) from the neighbour to the first person singular (I want you to control your dog) does hint to me that not only does the OP lack negotiating skills, they also fall into the third category above, as do some others.
If you choose to live among people, surely it is unreasonable to expect them to conform to your norms and values.
I would suggest that you go round and get to know the dog as I suspect you have done something to wind the dog up. My ex had dogs and I know that people who didn't bother my dog wouldn't get barked at. People who did, did.
I don't have dogs becasue I don't particularly like them, but I like to think I'm intelligent enough to recognise that I can't turn my dislike of dogs into some kind of crusade preventing other people from enjoying dogs. I do have a dislike for cats though, it would appear that they do not discriminate when looking for a toilet and the mixture of children and cat crap is not a good one.
I hope the OP knows and controls where the cat is crapping before criticising others.

Ahh now I see it, In order to resolve the barking dog issue I become a dog whisperer and work some Zen magic on the mutt, and grovel like mad to its owners even though their in the wrong and refuse to see reason, loving all the advice folks.

and grovel like mad to its owners even though[s]their[/s] [b]they're[/b] in the wrong

I love how all my comments are taken so literally!

If you choose to live among people, surely it is unreasonable to expect them to conform to your norms...

...so don't buy dogs when you know a) dogs often bark for no reason (because they're dogs), b) not everyone enjoys dogs barking and c) your home is situated close enough to others' homes that when your dog barks, others will hear it.

How else can they be taken? I don't know you well enough to pick up on your sublties. Anyway, you don't actually want to hear anything that goes against you point of view. I believe the phrase is "I'm out" and good luck trying to change the world.

You see? This is the problem. No middle ground, it's your way or no way. Why do you see talking to the neighbour as "grovelling", it's not and until you can see this you'll always be a loser.

Unbelievable 🙄
Its noise pollution - end of.

The dog owners are in the wrong & should correct the problem.

If the OP was to blast a car horn at the same loudness & frequency as the dog barks, how long till he gets a)arrested b)punched in the face?

You could start barking at the neighbours every time they walk past your house?
Seriously though, use the doorbell. Don't knock on peoples windows.

Turn up with the cat under your arm and give the dog a play-mate. He'll love you then and stop barking. One less cat wouldn't go amiss either...

He has to do nothing. Its the owners responsibility to train their dog properly. End of debate. If they can't do so they they should not have a dog

the same rationale should be applied to parents of rude kids.
(yes that applies to those who think their kids are wonderful too)

flippinheckler - Why not train your cat to sit on their window sill whilst you're out? Oh and try to calm down generally, trying to break your neighbour's foot is never a good neighbourly act. Unless they want to claim extra benefits.

don't get me started on fricken dogs

I'm sorry if i missed something in this but how did you expect going up and banging on your neighbours window to improve either the dogs behavior or your relationship with your neighbours . Your neighbour then came to talk to you offering to try and sort things out to which you make a flat demand then shut the door in her face and end up being rude and insulting .

Neighbour disputes are hell on earth the only solution is to either move or compromise, you are not going to reach any compromise if you won't discuss the matter reasonably when she tries to do so.

I assume you did not grow up in a terrace . If you live in close proximity to other people you will hear noise and have interactions you would not otherwise chose to experience, the secret to happiness is to tolerate them in the certain knowledge that they are extending you the same courtesy .

the mad women puts her foot on my door to stop me from shutting it

technically burglary. 😈

used a lot more force to shut my door even with her foot in place.

How do people get themselves into these ridiculous situations?

Do they do it on purpose, just so they can come on here and bleat?

Have a word with yourself pal.... If a sproradically barking dog is all you've got to worry about, life must be pretty sweet.

My neighbours pooch does this. Well it's not her dog, it's her sons. It stands in the window barking it's head off everytime I walk past.

It is annoying - but it's not that annoying as it stops when I'm out of sight. To be honest it sounds like you have issues with your neighbour and this is just a trigger point.

But - if you want to do something about it then wait until they're watching telly and go and fettle your bike outside the window. It'll soon become their noise problem then.....

Is it unreasonable....

Of course it is. Completely unreasonable, everything is. Hacks me off. Grrrr.

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enigmas - Member
Look on the bright side, at least you have a guard dog that you dont have to feed or walk looking after your bikes

+1

Our two dogs start barking as soon as anyone steps on our drive, whether they're out in the back/side garden, in their bed or just round and about the house. We don't actively encourage them or discourage them, it makes my two teenage daughters feel a lot safer when they are home by themselves.

They also like to bark at birds and squirrels in the trees, you'd think our neighbours would complain(especially as they get let out at about 6:45am through the week) but then the dogs have alerted us and them to burglars in their back gardens on two separate occasions and most likely put others off too.

If you live in close proximity to other people you shouldn't have hobbies that have a fair chance to leading to noise that will bother others, like owning dogs. The secret to happiness is to refrain them in the certain knowledge that your neighbours are extending you the same courtesy by refraining from their noisy hobbies.

Yeah! Damn neighbours with their blasted noise! I can hardly hear myself drilling some nights!

however they think because we got a cat (thanks molgrips hes brill)

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Glad to hear it - I was going to ask actually. We do miss him a lot, esp as our kid is now really into small furry animals, but it had to be done *sigh*

They should let their dog chase your cat!

Dogs across the road used to chase him when we had him. Once he realised he had enough pace to make it to the top of the fence in time, he got quite relaxed about it, even cocky 🙂

Yes banging on the window is unreasonable and annoying, thats why I did it to make a point of how annoying there dog is being

hmm.. I think that the [i]sane[/i] neighbours first point of call is popping next door for a [i]friendly[/i] discussion about the issue.. to see if an amicable solution can be mutually agreed..

the bottling it all up until you have a tantrum tactic that you've employed seems to have put a bit of a dampener on things..

i can understand the OP, two idiots in our street have got those little white fluffy things with their arses shaved. as soon as they are let out the back or taken for a walk they bark, its not even a bark its a pathetic whimper.

they do tell them to shut up to be fair BUT why dont they just train them NOT to bark, is it really that hard?

(by the way i like dogs - but not shaved arse ones)

I do a lot of dog training, the simple solution to this is to get to know the dog - see if you can go and play with him - he's only barking at you because for some reason you make him anxious.

I've got two collies, and they will bark if someone comes close to the front door - and for me that's a bonus after two break-ins.

Banging on the window will only antagonise the dog further, and give him more reason to be concerned.

Some people dislike that cats come into other people's gardens to do their business, while the owner has no responsibility. Not particularly nice if your dog eats the cat poop, then has a dodgy tummy afterwards.

Try to see this from the point of view of your neighbour, if they banged on your window because your cat was meowing at them you'd feel pretty worried, and a bit concerned about the behaviour.

Like I said, if you get to know the dog a little - I know you may not want to - it will make your life a lot easier, and happier. How nice would it be if when you came home the dog was at the window wagging his tail at you, hoping you'll pop in to play? Much nicer than barking.

Collie's are naturally very clever dogs, but this can make them very fixated on certain things - but, as they're very intelligent it wouldn't take much training to get them over this.

If I were to be there to help, I'd get you to sit somewhere neutral for the dog, and you, and have some treats in your hand - and allow the dog to take them from you, without you paying attention to him - then depending on his reaction I'd progressing to stroking him, gently, around the collar and chest; again depending on his reaction you can take this further to playing with a favourite toy of his.

Anyway, up to you, but I would advocate a gentle and nice approach, as you live close to your neighbours and you'll feel much better for it.

Actually our cat is quite dog like in his behavior and
bigger than a lot of the smaller breeds, He's a very playful cat Si I cab encourage him to walk along the dividing fence and throw his favourite cat treats in front of their lounge window, this should help relations along nicely, I wonder if one of those high frequency devices that teenagers can't stand will work on dogs, and U could enquire about the health of nutjobs foot.

I wonder how many of you that replied on the side of the dogs owners are actual biased dog owners yourselves, with an inane ability to see fault in yours and dogs behavior and see reason.

For the record I banged on their window once, their dog barks daily.

they do tell them to shut up to be fair BUT why dont they just train them NOT to bark, is it really that hard?

No, it's training the people how to train their dogs that is hard.

Dog training may be simple, but I see a lot of people in dog classes that find it very difficult to communicate with their dog effectively. It's a far simpler, and less complex way of thinking than we do.

Not taking this off topic, but this week's homework I'm working on is teaching my dog to read. 🙂

I wonder if one of those high frequency devices that teenagers can't stand will work on dogs

That's quite a cruel way to try to control a dog, imagine someone whistling in your ear - not very nice, and would probably operate at a level that your cat would hear too.

I wonder how many of you that replied on the side of the dogs owners are actual biased dog owners yourselves, with an inane ability to see fault in yours and dogs behavior and see reason.

Quite possibly, but it's very much not the dogs at fault, it's the owners' who haven't recognised the need for them to be trained, occupied or have boundaries set.

I love dogs, I make no bones about it, but I can't stand owners who leave their dogs in their gardens just to bark constantly; it's unfair, and distressing for the dog - plus it's a self-rewarding behaviour, so will only get worse.

The way to deal with it is to reward the dog for not barking, not punishing for barking - by telling them off and shouting, you only add to the noise, and reinforce that making loud noises is correct.

As I've said above, you can really help the situation, and make life nicer for yourself by taking the high road and being a friend with the dog.

Find out their favoutite TV programme.
Find out what time it is on.
Be outside at that time. A lot.

They'll soon learn...

I'm going to buy them a dog training book and post it through their letter box, hopefully the dog won't chew it, happy days.