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To expect our neighbors to train their dog to stop barking at us through their lounge window when I am coming or going day or night, or just fettling with my bikes or whatever. I have had issues with them over the dog as the problem used to be a lot worse, however they think because we got a cat (thanks molgrips hes brill) and the cat goes over to there's we somehow did this on purpose to antagonize the dog, how do I train a cat to do that ffs, anyway tonight I arrived home and the dog started barking at me yet again so I went over and banged on the window, nutjob wife comes out and I explain why I did that, she just mutters and goes back in, anyway a bit later she comes around and bangs on my window and as I open the front door she says we have to sort this out, my reply is yes you train your dog to stop barking at me every day and then we won't have a problem many words later I tell her to go away and go to shut my front door, then the mad women puts her foot on my door to stop me from shutting it she does this a few times until I told her in no uncertain terms to eff off you mad cow and used a lot more force to shut my door even with her foot in place.
Why am I seen to be the unreasonable one for wanting to come and on my property without their dog barking, the bloody thing is couped up all day in the house is some kind of sheep dog they got from RSPCA, they call it a house dog ffs.
Sorry for the rant and breath.
why does it bother you that much that the dog barks at you for a couple of minutes each day?
Is this a subtle rehash of Mr Nutts allotment problem?
Why wouldn't it?
Have a word with the council's environmental dept. Someone in our street has a couple of bark bark dogs which used to keep us awake at night, so we reported them. Within two weeks the problem was solved.
Better than dealing with someone who's unreasonable...
You're human, the dog is only a dog. Try to rise above it.
Yup you are and here are some full stops you can sprinkle in your post.............................................
Fettle your bikes where the dog can't see you? Is it just when you walk past his house?
I think it's entirely unreasonable.
Even more unreasonable is banging on a house window. In fact responding to a barking dog by banging on the window puts you in a light similar to the 'mad cow'.
why does it bother you that much that the dog barks at you for a couple of minutes each day?
Because I had to ask them to stop their dog from keeping us awake and inform the council before they did anything about it, I asked nicely then they got really funny about it, so it stems from there. They are in the lounge watching tv they could easily stop it from barking at me but they don't.
Report it if you want - noise nuisance the council, to the rspca for neglect.
Make your neighbours really hate you,
Isnt the whole idea of a dog to bark to warn the owner of an aproaching stranger, and to protect its owner.
Bit like a police car with a siren.
Have you had a bad day at work? You sound stressed.
Feed it some special meat. With "stuff" on it.
In answer to your question, yes you are being unreasonable. And a major cock (and thats being polite). Banging on the window will likely encourage the dog to bark more btw.
Project I'm not a stranger I just live next door, the neighbors on the other side have two dogs and they keep them under control and they don't bark.
So she was insistent that you talk it through and sort things out, and you wanted to break her foot off...
Hmmm...
Look on the bright side, at least you have a guard dog that you dont have to feed or walk looking after your bikes 😀
+ manyarcane - Member
Even more unreasonable is banging on a house window. In fact responding to a barking dog by banging on the window puts you in a light similar to the 'mad cow'.
Ive also got a neighbour with a barky dog, but its behind a high fence, so when it barks i bark back, it stops then, perhaps try it and see.
So, project - have you already been round to the OPs gaff and fitted up the webcam?
Yes banging on the window is unreasonable and annoying, thats why I did it to make a point of how annoying there dog is being, Their choice and right to get a dog but not when it impacts on there neighbours.
Classic "OP flame-a-thon" thread, text book stuff guys, you've made a difference today 🙄
Why shouldn't you be able to fix your bike on your own property without constant, avoidable noise pollution?
How would people like it if neighbours constantly played loud music through an open window everytime they went into their own garden?
You could:
Report this to the RSPCA, preferably the branch they got the dog from.
They would definitely be interested, especially if the dog isn't being excercised.
Keep a diary detailing the problem - contact the council.
Wot choons?Rusty Spanner - Member
How would people like it if neighbours constantly played loud music through an open window everytime they went into their own garden?
to the rspca for neglect.
How the **** is a barking dog grounds for neglect?
Banged on the window! That dog ain't ever going to stop barking at you now!
It's not easy to stop a barking dog, it takes a lot of training and the right type of person to stop it. If the dog considers itself as the "pack leader" within that house I very much doubt they will be able to stop it without specialist help. It's trying to protect it's pack!
Get a bigger, barkier dog. You can still win this one.
Or a cockerel.
Try making friends with the dog. Maybe it'll stop barking when it knows who you are.
Kuco - Memberto the rspca for neglect.
How the **** is a barking dog grounds for neglect?
'Sheep dog' type, kept in house all day and never excercised = neglect.
The RSPCA wouldn't have rehomed the dog with them if they new this was going to happen.
They usually do home visits beforehand and ask questions to ensure this exact type of neglect doesn't occur.
It might get exercised very well, all because the op doesn't see it taken out doesn't mean it's not exercised.
It's your fault entirely.
Had you made more effort at school, got a decent job and worked your way up the career ladder to a respectable position, you would now be in the financial position to move to a more affluent area.
As it is, you've made your bed and now have to live next door to scrubbers. Suck it up!
In fact - buy a Staffie.
It [s]could be[/s] is a [s]child's[/s] dog's face [s]next[/s] this time.
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Nah that would be to easy, and I intend to go back to university now and become a jobless statistic,because there is so many well read people with degrees coming out of their arse living in big houses, not like ill educated plebs who all live in council houses or housing association or dss rentals. The prof next door with the dog my be able to advise me.Suck it up!
maybe I would if it wasn't locked up in the house, I have offered to walk it!Try making friends with the dog. Maybe it'll stop barking when it knows who you are.
Druidhs is the best advice here, in fact, go further- try and be on better terms with them as well.
Even if it didn't stop the barking I reckon you would be less bothered about it so you'd be happier. You might even find you liked the dog enough to take it out on the trail once in a while. The dog would come to trust you, it would get more exercise and would be calmer. It would just get better and better for everyone, and all it might take is for you to take that step.
EDIT- We crossed posts there, keep trying, good luck.
Next time you offer, try to make sure you're not carrying anything that looks like a weapon 🙂flippinheckler - Member
maybe I would if it wasn't locked up in the house, I have offered to walk it!
AndrewJ - Member
Banged on the window! That dog ain't ever going to stop barking at you now!It's not easy to stop a barking dog, it takes a lot of training and the right type of person to stop it. If the dog considers itself as the "pack leader" within that house I very much doubt they will be able to stop it without specialist help. It's trying to protect it's pack!
The people round the corner from us have a Westie and when you meet her out in the streets with her owner she is timid as a mouse, yet when you go past her garden she runs around barking like crazy at whoever is the side.
I had thought that she was very protective of where she lives, but does it extend to her pack as well?
Man - that's just so beautiful. I'm in tears....sweepy - Member
It would just get better and better for everyone, and all it might take is for you to take that step.
They have another dog before they got this one,in fact it was to replace their old sheepdog that died, they never barked, so why do they insist on letting this one bark, they think we got our cat to be antagonistic to their dog, how do you reason with people like that, believe me I have tried the nice approach. If I had a dog I would be mortified if it was disturbing my nieghbours and train it properly. The comment that its protecting his pack may be the issue, however there in lies the problem, it should not see itself as the leader, surely the owner should be.
They should let their dog chase your cat! Win win situation! I hate cats!
Get rid of your cat. Simples.
(worst and most pointless animal in the world).
The comment that its protecting his pack may be the issue, however there in lies the problem, it should not see itself as the leader, surely the owner should be.
Ah but you are seeing the dog through human eyes. It's a dog, if it sees it's owner as being weak then it will try to protect, it's a pack mentality. It's all about being calm, assertive and consistent with dogs! If the owners aren't assertive and let the dog get away with things then it becomes the pack leader.
Whenever it barks, blast the most offensive gangsta rap you can find at 130db.
Can't we all just learn to get along? Can't we all just be a bit cooler and suck a little bit less?
Dogs bark, it is in their nature. Some dogs bark more than others. They are very territorial. My sisters dog is so annoying sometimes with his barking it drives me nuts - but, if she didn't adopt him - he would have been put down for sure (because that is his defect). And on balance he is a good dog. Anyway, nobody is perfect.
I am sure you will change your mind if/when said dog prevents theiving of your aforementioned currently under-fettled bike.
Get round there with a couple of Bonio's, and get some compromise going on. Maybe if you and Hootch are buddies he won't go so wild when your mug pops into view. Bring him round your yard for a good sniff and a scrunge. Doesn't matter who judges who as being wrong or right, and the point scoring does not help - so just make more effort to make the situation better.
I know I sound like I'm training to be [url= http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/deidre/ ]Dear Dedrie's[/url] replacement, but you can't deny that if we all acted a little cooler by dismissing egomania, grandiosity and pomposity - the world would be a much better place. It only takes a few small changes, and when everybody gets a bit cooler, we all benefit. Be the best you can be - it's easy.
Just think, when everything is resolved - it will have been worth the initial inconvenience, of actually getting together and sorting the issues out. Write it down, tackle the problem bit by bit.
Think about it like this, if you don't get it sorted - you [s]may[/s] will end up on Jeremy Kyle one day. 😯 Good Luck, and I hope it all pans out for you!
"(worst and most pointless animal in the world). "
Worst in what sense?
Please explain. 🙂
cinnamon_girl - MemberGet rid of your cat. Simples.
(worst and most pointless animal in the world).
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Wrong species.
Try again.....
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Why should they address any issue you have with their pet when you, by your own admission, swore at her and threatened her? Think you have burnt your bridges, or any chance of getting them to do anything about it. Of course you obviously don't see it that way,as your op explains how you "had" to tell her to eff off.
Feed it some special meat. With "stuff" on it.
Feed the douchebag owners the special meat. They're the ones at fault.
Prior to last nights events I have had a long discussion with her husband in my house trying to resolve these issues, they are obviously not wanting to ajust their dogs behavior, how can you reason with people who have convinced themselves we got a cat to torment their dogs, there's about 6 other cats that come and go through our gardens, I'm not Dick Whittington. They could easily stop the dog from going in the window but don't. I get on well with all the other neighbors and have walked other neighbors dogs, I'm think they could do a lot more to train their dog.
I'm afraid that you are being unreasonable. Not in wanting to have a quiet life but in expecting the neighbours/dog to do all the work.
To echo a few other comments your current behaviour won't be helping. The dog will see your attitude as a threat to its 'pack' and will act to defend it.
If you really want them to 'train' it not to bark at you it will take some efforet on your part. You need to meet them and their dog at a location awy from the house so it has nothing to defend. Make friends with it; whether playing, treats whatever. Let the dog see you being overly jolly and friendly with it's owners so it knows you are an extended part of the pack. What you are trying to do is make the dog realise that you are 'cool' rather thn a threat.
We moved into a new house with our 3 year old dog last autumn and he was very barky with one set of neighbours until we did the above. Worked a treat, he will still bark if he sees or smells strangers in their gardem but they get a waggy tail at most.
I love all the nonsense about it being the OPs fault and he has to do this that and the other to stop the dog barking!
He has to do nothing. Its the owners responsibility to train their dog properly. End of debate. If they can't do so they they should not have a dog
I have had issues with them over the dog as the problem used to be a lot worse, however they think because we got a cat (thanks molgrips hes brill) and the cat goes over to there's we somehow did this on purpose to antagonize the dog, how do I train a cat to do that ffs,
As long as your cat doesn't go in their garden and crap all over the place, or evencreate any problem for your neighbours, I guess you can demand that they [i]control[/i] their dog.
This place gets worse.
100% YES, it is unreasonable.
It's not a case of 'has to' though. It just makes it so much easier. Yes it's the owners responsibility to train it. It would be much quicker and easier to do so if the OP got involved in that process though.
End of debate? I wish someone would train you to be less rude, that's the end of my debate....
What - its unreasonable to expect your neighbours to train and control their dog? Even the kennel club admit barking dogs is a noise nuisence
Make a recording of a barking dog and rig up a sensor/speakers to play it back every time your neighbours enter and leave their house, or are doing something in their garden.
Sigh. Yet again you take a single part of a statement, ignore the context and use it to prove your superiority.
Yes, the owner has the responsibility of training their animal.
Yes, the OP has the right to live without a 'nuisance' noise.
Yes, he should be able to have some thing done about it.
Understanding how the dog's psyche works though (which you don't appear to) suggests that the OP's involvement in the training that the owner should be doing will give a much higher chance of a favourable outcome. Surely that is not unreasonable? Or he could not get involved, carry on being pissed off about it and the dog will sense his and it's owners moods and act to 'defend' the owners he sees as his pack, just like guard dogs do. It is aa case of letting the dog know he doesn't need to guard the owner from you, as you are part of the pack too. That is a hell of a lot easier than being a sanctimonious arsehole who deliberateyl misreads things in order to score imaginary points.
Feed the douchebag owners the special meat
Careful with this - the latest commandment from the BHF states that we're not allowed red meat because every mouthful will kill you and your family to death.
Yet again you...prove your superiority.
Come on, mattbee, don't be such a sycophant!
the latest commandment from the BHF states that we're not allowed red meat because every mouthful will kill you and your family to death.
Apparently the British Heart Foundation is still nowhere near as influential as the British Hyperbole Foundation.
You can please some of the people all of the time.
You can please all of the people some of the time.
But you can't please all of the people, all of the time.
The OP's change from 1st person plural (we need to sort out the problem) from the neighbour to the first person singular (I want you to control your dog) does hint to me that not only does the OP lack negotiating skills, they also fall into the third category above, as do some others.
If you choose to live among people, surely it is unreasonable to expect them to conform to your norms and values.
I would suggest that you go round and get to know the dog as I suspect you have done something to wind the dog up. My ex had dogs and I know that people who didn't bother my dog wouldn't get barked at. People who did, did.
I don't have dogs becasue I don't particularly like them, but I like to think I'm intelligent enough to recognise that I can't turn my dislike of dogs into some kind of crusade preventing other people from enjoying dogs. I do have a dislike for cats though, it would appear that they do not discriminate when looking for a toilet and the mixture of children and cat crap is not a good one.
I hope the OP knows and controls where the cat is crapping before criticising others.
Ahh now I see it, In order to resolve the barking dog issue I become a dog whisperer and work some Zen magic on the mutt, and grovel like mad to its owners even though their in the wrong and refuse to see reason, loving all the advice folks.
and grovel like mad to its owners even though[s]their[/s] [b]they're[/b] in the wrong
You see? This is the problem. No middle ground, it's your way or no way. Why do you see talking to the neighbour as "grovelling", it's not and until you can see this you'll always be a loser.
I love how all my comments are taken so literally!
If you choose to live among people, surely it is unreasonable to expect them to conform to your norms...
...so don't buy dogs when you know a) dogs often bark for no reason (because they're dogs), b) not everyone enjoys dogs barking and c) your home is situated close enough to others' homes that when your dog barks, others will hear it.
How else can they be taken? I don't know you well enough to pick up on your sublties. Anyway, you don't actually want to hear anything that goes against you point of view. I believe the phrase is "I'm out" and good luck trying to change the world.
You see? This is the problem. No middle ground, it's your way or no way. Why do you see talking to the neighbour as "grovelling", it's not and until you can see this you'll always be a loser.
Unbelievable 🙄
Its noise pollution - end of.
The dog owners are in the wrong & should correct the problem.
If the OP was to blast a car horn at the same loudness & frequency as the dog barks, how long till he gets a)arrested b)punched in the face?
You could start barking at the neighbours every time they walk past your house?
Seriously though, use the doorbell. Don't knock on peoples windows.
Turn up with the cat under your arm and give the dog a play-mate. He'll love you then and stop barking. One less cat wouldn't go amiss either...
He has to do nothing. Its the owners responsibility to train their dog properly. End of debate. If they can't do so they they should not have a dog
the same rationale should be applied to parents of rude kids.
(yes that applies to those who think their kids are wonderful too)
flippinheckler - Why not train your cat to sit on their window sill whilst you're out? Oh and try to calm down generally, trying to break your neighbour's foot is never a good neighbourly act. Unless they want to claim extra benefits.
don't get me started on fricken dogs
I'm sorry if i missed something in this but how did you expect going up and banging on your neighbours window to improve either the dogs behavior or your relationship with your neighbours . Your neighbour then came to talk to you offering to try and sort things out to which you make a flat demand then shut the door in her face and end up being rude and insulting .
Neighbour disputes are hell on earth the only solution is to either move or compromise, you are not going to reach any compromise if you won't discuss the matter reasonably when she tries to do so.
I assume you did not grow up in a terrace . If you live in close proximity to other people you will hear noise and have interactions you would not otherwise chose to experience, the secret to happiness is to tolerate them in the certain knowledge that they are extending you the same courtesy .
the mad women puts her foot on my door to stop me from shutting it
technically burglary. 😈
technically assault. 😈used a lot more force to shut my door even with her foot in place.
How do people get themselves into these ridiculous situations?
Do they do it on purpose, just so they can come on here and bleat?
Have a word with yourself pal.... If a sproradically barking dog is all you've got to worry about, life must be pretty sweet.
My neighbours pooch does this. Well it's not her dog, it's her sons. It stands in the window barking it's head off everytime I walk past.
It is annoying - but it's not that annoying as it stops when I'm out of sight. To be honest it sounds like you have issues with your neighbour and this is just a trigger point.
But - if you want to do something about it then wait until they're watching telly and go and fettle your bike outside the window. It'll soon become their noise problem then.....
Is it unreasonable....
Of course it is. Completely unreasonable, everything is. Hacks me off. Grrrr.
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enigmas - Member
Look on the bright side, at least you have a guard dog that you dont have to feed or walk looking after your bikes
+1
Our two dogs start barking as soon as anyone steps on our drive, whether they're out in the back/side garden, in their bed or just round and about the house. We don't actively encourage them or discourage them, it makes my two teenage daughters feel a lot safer when they are home by themselves.
They also like to bark at birds and squirrels in the trees, you'd think our neighbours would complain(especially as they get let out at about 6:45am through the week) but then the dogs have alerted us and them to burglars in their back gardens on two separate occasions and most likely put others off too.
If you live in close proximity to other people you shouldn't have hobbies that have a fair chance to leading to noise that will bother others, like owning dogs. The secret to happiness is to refrain them in the certain knowledge that your neighbours are extending you the same courtesy by refraining from their noisy hobbies.