Could you all sense check this for me...apparently it was my fault (I am the one on the bike by the way, not the fat knacker)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3alygWcn0
WTF? That's ridiculous tbh. I mean, I might have stopped where the gap on teh right was, but there's obviously no obligation to
I mean, I might have stopped where the gap on teh right was, but there’s obviously no obligation to
That was my plan but when the car obviously wasn't slowing or pulling in it seemed pointless. I'd not have been any safer stopped. The car didn't even try to move over, he had loads of room on the other side!
According to PC Plod of Thames Valley Police the driver was "committed to the overtake so didn't need to stop"
Personally I'd escalate that, they should have an internal complaints procedure you can go through, but if they are in anyway as useless as Sussex police then you may have to go beyond that, IPCC??
Storm and Tea Cup spring to mind.
I’d have stopped as you could see car was committed and gap he could pull into was relatively small. Wet road too, easy to lock a brake on the car. And he didn’t seem to be going that fast.
I’d have stopped as you could see car was committed
How would stopping have made me safer?
If anything I should have stayed in a wider position.
Wet road too, easy to lock a brake on the car
In a 20mph road, I could just have easily slid off if I stopped
It was your right of way, but where did you expect him to go? To be honest I would have probably jumped on the pavement and just carried on round him
Doesn't look a particularly nice place to ride, the rougher the area the more I give way whether I'm in the right or not
I’d have hopped on pavement.
You had right of way, he was a tosser (proven by the fact he stopped even though he was blatantly in the wrong). The fact he was committed to the overtake is further proof of poor driving on his part. Yes the police are effing useless.
Driver at fault. Even though he was "committed to the overtake" he could have reasonably expected to find a vehicle coming towards him so should have been able to stop in the distance he can see to be clear.
Having said that, life's short, the police have been cut like everyone else, I'd not take it any further.
It was your right of way, but where did you expect him to go?
Nowhere, but slow down and make an effort to move over not drive straight at me.
Doesn’t look a particularly nice place to ride, the rougher the area the more I give way whether I’m in the right or not
That's the road I live on!!! Rough as **** me!!
hmm i might have been a bit wider, maybe that would have made the driver slow a little to take the space on the left rather than the breathe in option he chose
on the mtb i'd likely have hopped on the pavement
hope you are ok.
Id have slowed so that car & bike reached gap at roughly same time. Car had nowhere to pullover until gap and was already well committed given the length of parked cars.
There was a sodding great gap just after the white van that he could have pulled into. Whilst i can see the view point of those who would do nothing further, for me it's the thin end of the wedge, when i ride my bike on the road I am traffic, not second class traffic, I obey all the rules (really I do!) and I expect others to do so to.
having been in this exact situation many times, and generally disliking grief, this is exactly what I do (especially given there’s loads of dropped kerbs so you don’t even have to hop up). I mean, you’re obviously in the right, but what is an argument with a meathead going to add to your day 🤷♂️To be honest I would have probably jumped on the pavement and just carried on round him
It looks like they wouldn't have seen you until they were passing the parked cars so there's no obvious place for them to stop. You'd probably have a stronger argument if you'd stopped at the gap and let them drive into you, which they probably still would have done.
If it's any consolation I've recently submitted footage to TVP of a van failing to see me at a roundabout and side swiping me, and it's only my reactions (and awsum skillz) that kept me upright and out of hospital. Zero response from plod.
Gosh, this is identical to what happened to me last weekend, except my perp had more room on the driver's side. I asked him to move over, he swore at me so I turned around for a fuller explanation.
What camera by the way.
*tries to remove foot from mouth*
What would the driver have done if there was a car going the other way, or a motorcycle? Surely if you're on the wrong side of the road, overtaking, you need to be able to stop within the distance you can see to be clear. If being committed to an overtake irrespective of oncoming traffic is an acceptable precedent, there are going to be a lot of collisions!
Id have slowed so that car & bike reached gap at roughly same time
We did arrived at the gap at roughly the same time, he wasn't slowing so obviously wasn't moving over.
What camera by the way.
Chilli tech cheapo job...sound doesn't work well or you could have enjoyed the swearing!
I'd have slowed or stopped at tbe gap.
Car already committed to overtaking the parked traffic, probably didn't have plenty of room to tuck in if he was not wanting to be doored by one of those parked cars (that principle applies to cars as well), and it would have been the easy and courteous option.
Certainly wouldn't expect the Police to take action on that.
Give as much room to a cyclist as you would a car...
Driver was in the wrong. Obstruction was on his side of the road. He could’ve slowed and pulled in before the white van. If he was looking ahead like you’re supposed to he would’ve also seen your lights and should’ve realised there was oncoming traffic.
Top tip, if you think there’s even the slightest chance of things turning violent then get off the bike and put it between you and them or just drop it.
Car already committed to overtaking the parked traffic, probably didn’t have plenty of room to tuck in if he was not wanting to be doored by one of those parked cars (that principle applies to cars as well), and it would have been the easy and courteous option.
What would the driver have done if there was a car going the other way, or a motorcycle? Surely if you’re on the wrong side of the road, overtaking, you need to be able to stop within the distance you can see to be clear. If being committed to an overtake irrespective of oncoming traffic is an acceptable precedent, there are going to be a lot of collisions!
*sigh*
I’d have slowed or stopped at tbe gap
I did, he didn't. How would stopping have made it safer for me? He would have still driven past far too close.
Stopped or not this would still be too close would it not?
Top tip, if you think there’s even the slightest chance of things turning violent then get off the bike and put it between you and them or just drop it.
I wasn't worried tbh
You shouldn’t have stopped, he should. I’d escalate it tbh. The more this sort of behaviour is let off the worse it will get.
I never ever expected to be in this situation, but I think you are in the wrong here OP.
IMHO:
As above he was committed to the manouver well before you were visible.
There were no other places for him to pull in and give way.
Even if he had stopped, what good would that have served?
Yes, he passed close, but only because you went past the point where he could move back across to his side.
I'm normally rampant pro cyclist and anti motorist in these instances, but in this case I'm really struggling....
Edit: after watching it the 3rd time I am thinking perhaps you feel he was making it clear that he wasn't stopping regardless, and that's what got your goat. If that was the case then I can partly sympathise, but from just watching the vid objectively I can't really be surprised or upset at the fuzz'reaction.
We did arrived at the gap at roughly the same time, he wasn’t slowing so obviously wasn’t moving over.
Didnt look like you were slowing either, certainly not enough to give him a chance to pull into the gap
You shouldn’t have stopped, he should.
Where should he have stopped?
He could’ve slowed and pulled in before the white van
Where?
You could see his headlights from a fair distance. That means he could see A_A’s too. Piss poor reading of the road. We all do it, but most of us would slow down once we realised we’d made a mistake. Failing that he should’ve slowed down and given way.
He could’ve slowed and pulled in before the white van
Where?
Meant after not before. Apply brake, move over. Or stop and wave the more vulnerable road user through. That’s what I’d do.
Even if he had stopped, what good would that have served?
If I have to tell you I doubt you would understand
Driver 100% in the wrong. Just a cyclist hater.
Plod not understanding cycling. Id ask for their cycling officer if they have one iirc most forces do and get him to review it
Are you still heightened emotionally after the other days events? How much effort do you want to put in to chasing this?
Personally I wouldn't let it drop as it is but neither would i invest too much time and energy into it.
As above he was committed to the manouver well before you were visible
So he would also have been committed if a car had been there rather than the OP on a bike. Then what they both just say **** it and drive into each other?
If you are on the wrong side of the road, you don't have right of way. End of
Where should he have stopped?
In the road? Had I been driving I would have stopped and let the bike past. I accept most won't do this but at least slowing would have helped
You had right of way
This isn't really true. Once you commit to passing parked cars you assume right of way and it would be the responsibility of the oncoming traffic to stop.
In this case there's nowhere for oncoming traffic to stop either, it's effectively a single track road, so the onus would be on both road users behave appropriately. Driver should have at least slowed.
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Driver could have pulled in right there, giving way to traffic on the correct side of the road.
I find it best to assume the police are useless until proven otherwise. They certainly have been whenever I’ve needed their help
Well yeah. A real story in a tea cup.
Until its a 13 year old that was on the bike and they get killed by a driver of a 1.5 tonne missile on the wrong side of the road who couldn't give a shit about the safety of someone else.
Then is it still OK ?
Still OK if it was your dead child ?
he should’ve slowed down and given way.
Yup
Why did the anti-santa stop for a chat?
You have right of way same if you were in a car. What did the guy in car think was the benefit of driving so fast?
Report it and get back on with your life as you're not going to change entitled people in wheeled metal boxes.
Ps, you seemed to handle this well, much calmer than I might have been.
Why did the anti-santa stop for a chat?
He was angry I almost hit his wing mirror.
Report it and get back on with your life
I did, police refuse to act, not even a warning letter.
Ps, you seemed to handle this well, much calmer than I might have been.
This is why I have the camera, I bought it after having a wrestle with an even fatter driver who I honestly thought was having a heart attack after our short wrestle...thought I'd killed him 😟
Have you called 999 about the guys trousers, theyre surely illegal?
Arguably you could've slowed slightly to give him more time to tuck into the gap as per the screengrab above. Though he clearly was going to drive through you regardless of what you did. IMHO, etc.
Right side / wrong side / overtaking commit / etc etc - no, this is the new Hierarchy Of Road Users, you're on a bicycle, you have priority over cars.
Even if the driving isn't a police matter, the subsequent aggressive confrontation should be?
A few things I don't understand:
Is there supposed to be audio? It's like there is but really quiet (could be my PC).
Why did you stop after he'd 'passed?'
Why did he reverse back up?
Ok, I’ll raise my head above the parapet and offer some perspective and hopefully an explanation for the Police lack of action.
I used to be a traffic officer for almost twenty years - I’ve been a cyclist for 50 years and the first observation I would make from the video you have posted is that due to the curve of the road, despite him having his headlights illuminated you cannot see his approach. However, when you can eventually see him he is indeed committed to his passing the parked cars. At this point bear in mind that there is no reason to suppose that his view of you was any better than your view of him. And arguably as a cyclist you are less visible than a car.
My second observation is, by virtue of the obstruction being on his side of the road, you would definitely have right of way had you both been approaching the parked cars but neither of you had actually committed to your passing them (remember you both have to actually see each other to make the assessment). But neither of you can see each other until you’re both committed. The argument that you had right of way because the obstruction is on his side is wholly dependant on him not already having started his passing manoeuvre.
This then boils down to common sense, manners and a large amount of your (as a cyclist) instinct for self preservation; if you were both in cars then if you’re both committed, one of you will have to reverse. That should be the driver who will be least inconvenienced. Usually that’ll be the person who has the shortest distance to reverse, but you should also take into account whether either one of you has traffic behind you. One car moving backwards is less inconvenient than a line of drivers having to reverse.
However, you’re on a bike, you’re vulnerable but also far more manoeuverable than a car. In the interests of self preservation I would’ve taken to the causeway and carried on my way.
I hope that helps?
