Plod not understanding cycling. Id ask for their cycling officer if they have one iirc most forces do and get him to review it
Or possibly a member of the public expecting a whole lot more than most beleaguered Police forces can realistically deliver following huge cuts budgets, and when faced with a 50:50 (at best) decision.
Cycling officer? Possibly in 1957… as a “plod” I’ve never heard of a force cycling officer. Where do I sign?
I can't for the life of me see how the driver is in the right here... there was that massive gap, that's where he should have gone, 100%... Clearly he never..
Baffled by the discussion.
Is there supposed to be audio? It’s like there is but really quiet (could be my PC).
Why did you stop after he’d ‘passed?’
Why did he reverse back up?
The audio just didn't work for some reasons, it's a very s cheap camera.
I stopped because he screeched to a halt and was reversing back at me. He was doing that because he was angry I almost hit his mirror.
are the police useless?
No, underfunded & underresourced.
And arguably as a cyclist you are less visible than a car.
That's just plain bollocks, I wasn't wearing an invisibility cloak.
I hope that helps?
It certainly helps explain why roads are so dangerous for cyclists.
All the rubbish about right of way is entirely irrelevant, The vulnerable road user should not be forced off the road in order to be safe
I would add the general point that had I slowed more the car would have met me after the point at which the was plenty of space for us to pass each other.
Also I could obviously ride off the road almost everything I am about to lightly inconvenience a car driver for a few seconds but that would be going against the highway code would it not. I thought people wanted cyclists to follow the rules?
You’re only supposed to follow the rules if it doesn’t annoy car drivers. Riding on the pavement is wrong unless it makes a drivers life easier/avoids the chances of their car being damaged by your useless squishy body.
I wouldn’t blame the police though. Blame the cuts to funding and resources.
I would also add to the general discussion that I ride that road everyday, both ways. It's plenty wide enough for a car and a bike to pass the parked cars without stopping as long as both move over a bit. Maybe not the full 1.5m but more than enough given the 20mph limit. There was no need for the car to skim my bars like that.
The driver is clearly a ****er who doesn't give a shit about your safety. You can argue the rights and wrongs of being able to see, rights of way once passing etc,. but a good driver who is sharing the road considerately would have stopped and let you ride past them rather than just carrying on driving straight at you with not much of a gap.
As I have said on a number of occasions to ****er drivers "you can always just stop if that is the best/safest option"
You were both committed to the gap. Had he slowed down first and had you not slowed down, you'd both have met on the far side of the gap. Because he didn't slow down (I'm not saying he was speeding), he was likely going too fast to move into and out of the gap before having to stop completely.
Neither of you was in the wrong and those saying you had right of way are wrong. You have right of way if the obstacle is on the other side of the road and assuming that another user did not enter the obstacle first. It's just an unfortunate coming together of timings, geography and people. I probably wouldn't have slowed my bike, I probably wouldn't have hopped the kerb, but if I were driving, I would have slowed, but this wouldn't have helped the distance/closeness of the pass, Just the feeling of safety/acknowledgement.
My guess is that, like me you're thinking of this as - "If I'd been in another car, he'd have had to make way"? And "given the new 1.5m distance requirement, he should have?" I agree, that ideally, this would be the case, but I very much doubt it ever will be.
No. Not useless. Just have a million other things to deal with and as there was no serious outcome to your issue it has a very low priority. Whilst I agree with the OP entirely I also think that this is really just a classic example of modern society of "me, me , me" and nowt will be gained by takig it further. The pathetic legal system we have won't take a 5 figure fine for a motoring offence so what is there to make people slow down etc?
You were 100% in the right regarding RoW, but as the vulnerable user I'd have still been prepared to stop or hop the kerb because I'd rather be wrong and alive than right and dead or injured.
However, re Mildred's comment and
That’s just plain bollocks, I wasn’t wearing an invisibility cloak.
I don't see what's controversial with an ex traffic officer giving a very reasoned opinion, including pointing out that a car with headlights on is arguably more visible than you - that's a reasonable assertion even without saying arguably (ie, you might disagree) so I don't get why such a confrontational response. You can be 100% right and still break rule 1.
Take the advice from a 20 yr experienced traffic officer and chalk it down to experience. Life is too short.
There are many factors why you'll just have to shrug this off and move on.
The UK's roads are crap. The police are too busy and underfunded/under resourced to deal with everything that is pushed their way. You've had first hand advice here from an ex officer. So no, the Police are not useless. That's like saying the NHS is crap. Its not.
So get over it.
... chalk it down to experience. Life is too short.
...
The UK’s roads are crap.
It's not just our life though. Some of us have children, and would like to see them have some independence to enjoy the outdoors. Why should we accept that it's OK for somebody to aggressively drive several tonnes of machinery at a vulnerable person, regardless of the circumstances?
We can talk about rights of way (and there was none for either party here) but clearly one person was put in unnecessary danger, by somebody who supposedly has an obligation to drive safely under the terms of their licence.
The police response is of course, bollocks. The standard of driving is poor whichever way you look at it. It's an admission that they don't intend to uphold a decent standard, and that's something worthwhile to be challenged imo.
Nice to see the common sense response of a former traffic officer being dismissed.
Increasingly convinced that this is a case of two wrongs not making any right.
As has been pointed out, the Police, and the entire justice system, are underfunded and underresourced rather than useless.
Yes yes...think of the children, the baby robins etc etc etc.....write a strongly worded letter to the chief constable.
Or start a thread on a cycling forum declaring the Police as a whole are useless. FFS.
OK, let's not aspire to a better world...
OK, let’s not aspire to a better world…
It's possible to do both you know.
It’s not just our life though. Some of us have children, and would like to see them have some independence to enjoy the outdoors.
Just let them get on with it then. I was a child once and just rode around every where and the car drivers were no more angelic then. I would have most likely to have been wheelieing along the pavement in the OPs scenario so wouldn't have even noticed what the car was doing, kids eh...
You're just fortunate you didn't brush his wing mirror so he could chase you down, knock you off, beat you up, and get a non-custodial sentence.
I've had that kind of thing 100s of times. Of course he was in the wrong and driving like a know. I would've probably called the bloke a **** and got on with my ride. Not something I would report to the police.
Imagine going through life with arms that don't fit your body... must be punishment enough.
*adds several names to the 'coppers or ex-coppers on the forum spreadsheet*
😂
Painters trousers, gold bracelet, beerbelly! Exits the car in an aggressive manner!? Cycle on, live for tomorrow!
Don't bother with the cops. Pointless. I had my spine broken by a driver, and a mate got his neck broken and a skull fracture. A year apart, but drivers turning right across our paths. GMP didn't even given the drivers a slap - I was left with life changing injuries. The investigation copper even said to my wife (I was out of it in hospital for 6 weeks) that 'your insurance will sort it.
The standard of driving is shocking, but that knuckle dragger wasn't ever going to slow. Obviously an angry little man.
Is it me or are the police useless?
Like teachers are?
Crumbling system, underfunded and repeatedly dealing with other agencies shortcomings. Welcome to the UK 2022.
Is it common sense for the police to perpetuate the myth that cyclists are not visible? That's just dangerous victim blaming bullshit I'm afraid.
I still stand by the fact the right of way wasn't the issue here. It's irrelevant, the issue is if close nature of the pass and that would not have been helped by me stopping, he would have still skimmed past me, probably at a greater speed.
Crumbling system, underfunded and repeatedly dealing with other agencies shortcomings.
Does that mean vulnerable road users should not be protected...can't see how funding affects decision making.
It's not so much the close pass, the dangerous speed the utter ****er went past you, but stopping and reversing back to have a go! One minute he's in so much of a hurry he can't slow and give you a bit of room, the next he's stopping for a chat! The cops should have a word about his aggressive behaviour if nothing else.
Nice to see the common sense response of a former traffic officer being dismissed.
What the one that says the cyclist should make way for a car that is being driven too fast and has no intention of slowing or moving even though the new highway code has recently brought to light the duty of care to all road users. Yeah, makes sense that.
Personally I'd have moved onto the footway, but I dont ride that road every day so don't know how this situation usually dealt with. If theres usually room for both, then I probably wouldn't go up the kerb as I'd expect there to be as much room as usual.
I would have gone on the pavement so nobody needed to slow, there's a drop curb perfectly placed you momentarily wiggle toward.
But as you didn't he should have slowed and made room and maybe you should have slowed more too.
Driver was a knob.
With the caveat that it is always difficult to tell exactly what the situation is on a video: My tuppence worth. If I was on the bike I would have moved over to a primary position, slowed right down so that you are in the gap and effectively forced him into pulling into the gap. Trying to squeeze into a narrow area always encourages drivers to pass close. Make him slow down. Make him move over, don’t facilitate his high speed pass.
What the one that says the cyclist should make way for a car that is being driven too fast and has no intention of slowing or moving even though the new highway code has recently brought to light the duty of care to all road users. Yeah, makes sense that.
The one who said pretty much what you said about in your second paragraph
However, you’re on a bike, you’re vulnerable but also far more manoeuverable than a car. In the interests of self preservation I would’ve taken to the causeway and carried on my way.
…can’t see how funding affects decision making.
Really, where have you been living for the least 12 years or so?
Because anything difficult, contentious or costly gets binned straight away. There aren’t the resources to deal with “minor” matters nor to deploy staff on them, that’s not just policing but right across public services.
Change the Thread title to - "I had an interaction with a driver and wasn't happy with the outcome, so I complained to the police who decided no crime had been committed so didn't persue it...." Insted of "Are the Police useless?"
Are the Police who caught the lowlife who murdered the 9 yr old in Liverpool useless, or the Cops who are out there day in day out dealing with all the cr~p a broken society deals them each shift.
Do something useful, put in a Freedom of Information act request and find out just how many response cops are on duty today and tonight. Then find out how many immediate calls they have stacked up.
Then, when you see the scale of the problem they have to deal with and the numbers of boots on the ground, come on here and twine about how useless the cops are. Or replace cops with Paramedics/Nurses/Doctors/Teachers etc
###Rant over#### marks out of 10 please.
marks out of 10 please
Doing well until
come on here and twine
When you lost your thread a bit so 7.5/10
He was in the wrong to apparently not slow or give any care at all, never mind not pulling into the gap.
I don't think he was wrong coming through as I doubt either if you could see each other when you started passing the parked cars. It's not a ROW issue, but see above.
However, I would have just muttered arsehole and nipped on the pavement. The taking primary and forcing him to go in the gap would likely have caused even more conflict with such a nob.
Can't say I'd have contacted the police as I've had much worse with no interest from them. Probably why I'd have just hopped to the pavement, muttered, and carried on.
Reminds me of this one I had a while ago... about the same gap to the verge here and the pretty coloured car was going about 40mph. I got no response from Hants Police's Twitter feed
Is it common sense for the police to perpetuate the myth that cyclists are not visible? That’s just dangerous victim blaming bullshit I’m afraid.
Didn't say that though. Said that you were less visible than a 12 m^3 metal box with bright lights on each corner.
committed to the gap
Needs to be on a T-shirt
can’t see how funding affects decision making.
If I remember rightly you're a teacher - if the number of pupils in your school increased by 20%, ASN demand increased by 10% and the number of teacher / staff reduced by 10% are you really saying this would not have an impact on the decision making over which support to give to which children, which incidents of bullying you deal with and which you don't. Pull the other one.
The hopping on the pavement thing, I do it only if convenient, no pedestrians, and doing so makes passing more convenient for both.
So although i said in that circumstance I would have hoped on the kerb, cyclists should not be expected to instantly jump out of the way of other road vehicles.
People in general need to be better at leaving their egos behind when on the roads!
Think that's it for all the obvious stuff!
I do the hop on the pavement thing too, if there's a drop kerb convenient.. I once did it to get out of the way of a bunch of primary school kids doing cycling proficiency training. I'm pretty sure their teacher shouted at me to not ride on the pavement!! Twonk! (Can't swear by it as had music on).
For me he could have slowed and passed wider - he had room. Yet he aggressively passed close and quite fast for the road conditions (wet / narrow).
If he’d been on his driving test I don’t think the instructor would have passed him having done that.
Would expect the police to have at least issued a warning in this scenario.
Well yeah. A real story in a tea cup.
Until its a 13 year old that was on the bike and they get killed by a driver of a 1.5 tonne missile on the wrong side of the road who couldn’t give a shit about the safety of someone else.
This was so similar to a situation whilst out cycling with two of my children - aged 13 & 15 near the start of the lockdown in the middle of the day. I was approximately 10 metres behind them. It was an access road to a beauty spot with cars parked on the opposing side.
My children had started cycling down their side of the road and then a vehicle entered the road - who could see them and only needed to wait a minute. Entitled middle age woman in SUV tried to drive past parked cars and would not reverse. She started shouting. I didn’t swear and asked her how often she started driving down the wrong side of the road at children on bicycles.
A bystander stated that I was threatening a woman - despite not being in anyway aggressive. He then threatened to move my children physically. Then I saw red and said if he approached us I would defend them against assault. He then reiterated his baseless statement. Eventually we rode past the now reversed car and left. That was after many threats by driver and bystander - despite isolation requirements.
I’m not proud of this - but had it carried on, I would have decked someone.
those saying you had right of way are wrong. You have right of way if the obstacle is on the other side of the road
Again - the rules changed this year. Priority is based on vulnerability.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/introduction#ruleh3
Reminds me of this one I had a while ago… about the same gap to the verge here and the pretty coloured car was going about 40mph. I got no response from Hants Police’s Twitter feed
😲 wow.
Did you have lights on your bike? I can’t see the flash reflecting off anything?
Neither party slowed, both self righteous, not sure who was in the wrong legally
however I know cars tend to hurt people on bikes so I would have got out of the cars way it’s better to to be fit and well and not just dead and legally right
