[Closed] Is it just me or is this place boring?

I don't know, would it?

Well, there has been a lot of discussions about the Oxford 'grooming' case, and much comment about how the culture and ethnicity of the abusers had a bearing on their actions, and some here seem to believe that travellers are inherently criminal/anti social, so I'm interested in whether anyone considers football hooliganism in the UK to be a 'white' problem. Or are the actions of a minority of individuals more to do with the fact they are dysfunctional, disturbed or just plain violent nutters, rather than an entire culture being guilty of their crimes?

Can I state that all footballers wearing masks while playing in European Cup Finals will score stuffy goals because the other keeper was rubbish? Or is that maskist?

I know its a generalisation, but from the evidence I've sen its true

We should all stop referring to Black-runs as Black runs as they are mostly ridden by white folk.

Did someone mention the Irish?

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Why are hooligans almost always white?

I don't know that they are. And I've never presumed that they are.

Do you have anything that shows that to be the case ?

Personally I think I'd have told them to foxtrot ocsar unless they could find me an actual offended person. That's not a world I want to live in, spending my entire life crossing out words I can no longer use just in case someone might misunderstand and take offence, [b]until we're reduced to communication solely in the medium of creative dance.[/B]

This thread was worth reading.

Even just for that 😀

"I don't know that they are. And I've never presumed that they are.

Do you have anything that shows that to be the case ?"

Just about every news report on tv about hooliganism, the many documentaries that have covered the issue, and what I and many others have witnessed in pubs/town centres/outside grounds.

Or simply do a Google image search; all the UK hooligans appear to be white.

Why are hooligans almost always white?

I don't know that they are. And I've never presumed that they are.

Do you have anything that shows that to be the case ?

Good point. Can anyone answer a similar question about "pikeys" and thieving?

Did that fella that directly called me a racist get moderated or have I not looked far enough back? I hope he wasn't banned or even warned.

I'm not offended by types like that, I'm more offended by those here that engineer the argument to the point that the weak minded would then make that assumption.

Here's another view against the 'pikey' name calling..

Fascists, they're not all bad are they, so it's not fair calling them Nazis is it? I mean not all Nazis were bad were they? But I bet that bike that Cougar owes me, the PC brigade here don't mind that Farrage fella being called a Nazi, now do they?

Double standards of the Left wing brutally exposed there, lets hear the argument out of that one.

Or simply do a Google image search; all the UK hooligans [b]appear [/b]to be white.

But they aren't, a lot of clubs have a history of far right views, but even those clubs "firms" are not exclusively white.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/features/article/9/english-defence-league-football-hooligans-and-far-right-poli

But I bet that bike that Cougar owes me, the PC brigade here don't mind that Farrage fella being called a Nazi, now do they?

I think it's ridiculous to call him a Nazi personally. Does that help ?

I've not seen the emails that prove cougar owes you a bike yet either 😉

I had a dream about the original batmobile last night. Some guy had one and a few other cars that I was somehow arranging the shipment to another country. I think they guy had originally posted something on STW as well which is how I got involved.

Clear evidence I need a hoiday.

Clear evidence I need a hoiday.

....or a Batmobile

I dreamt I took up roller blading then this happened.....

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Do you think the beads are a bit OTT?

Black economy, black money, black Monday, black outlook, black leg, to black flag... . I'm sure that if I picked up a fat dictionary I'd find hundreds. Do we have to worry about yellow too because of the Chinese, red because of the Amerindians. Black is a colour or a lack of colour, eliminating the use of a colour as an adjective or adverb is pretty perverse.

For those accusing whitegoodman of being racist, I suggest they consider their own use of insults. Personally I classify the use of "racist" as a stronger insult than any word used to qualify the immigrant communities, the F and C words, or indeed any word that triggers the STW filter.

In answer to Molgrip's question: there weren't any ethnic whites in the class to compare with, it was a Leicester school.

In answer to Junkyard's accusations of being a bad teacher:

Its my homage to Fernando

the PC brigade here don't mind that Farrage fella being called a Nazi, now do they?

It was not really an accusation it was more sarcasm tbh I have no idea how you are as a teacher

Deleted, in an attempt to retain my sanity.

To be fair to be farrage, he hasn't tried to commit genocide yet, so at the moment he's just an idiot.
If he does commit genocide, i'll upgrade him to full nazi immediatly. 😀

I've not seen the emails that prove cougar owes you a bike yet either

Didn't you know, you can make things true if you simply keep repeating them every second post or so.

Personally I classify the use of "racist" as a stronger insult than any word used to qualify the immigrant communities, the F and C words, or indeed any word that triggers the STW filter.

I'd agree to an extent. There is a marked difference, mind you, between saying

"You are a racist"

and

"What you just said is racist"

With possibly a couple of exceptions, I think you'll find on this thread the comments have largely been more the latter than the former. I wouldn't agree that it's a "worse" insult necessarily, but it's still labelling someone, which is what the "pc brigade" seem to be against.

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Racism is a foul thing, unfortunately part of the human condition and an extension of human tribalism, which is so perfectly exposed by soccer fans, it's the same thing, comes from the same base instinct that our tribe is better than theirs.

My skin colour at certain times of the year has caused me to be directly exposed to it, along with a would be son in law, who also had the misfortune to be a Muslim at the height of the 7/7 period and was stopped and searched countless times simply travelling between University and our house, but the worse instance was in a pub on Romney Marsh, as ever a den of the ignorant and inbred, one of them came up to us poked him and said "ooh I've never touched black men before I just want to see what they feel like" two or three years ago in modern day Britain, you couldn't make it up if you hadn't been there, made me sick to the stomach.

But calling people names on a cycle forum aint racism, not in my view anyway, but I thank whoever deleted that post and educator for his support.

I've decided if I do continue to return here, which I undoubtedly will from time to time because it is a fun and entertaining place, I'll just have to keep my ignore list up to speed and not let myself get wound up.

Edukator - Member
Black economy, black money, black Monday, black outlook, black leg, to black flag... . I'm sure that if I picked up a fat dictionary I'd find hundreds. Do we have to worry about yellow too because of the Chinese, red because of the Amerindians. Black is a colour or a lack of colour, eliminating the use of a colour as an adjective or adverb is pretty perverse.

+1

Speaking as a chap with a black wife, and therefore a large black contingent on one side of my family, a good example of this is use of the word "coloured" to describe black people. Speaking from personal experience its abhorred, because it generalises and provides a mechanism for non blacks to try to pool together people of colour without an implied insult according to thier way of thinking.

My wife would tell you, "I'm black, so please refer to me as black". She'd punch you on the nose for being so stupid as to try and have a long conversation with her attempting to avoid the word "black" if it was obviously going to be used.

calling people names on a cycle forum aint racism

Really? Which part? Do you think that calling people names isn't racism? Or is it that it ceases to be racism if you are on a cycling forum when you do it?

Cougar - Moderator
I've not seen the emails that prove cougar owes you a bike yet either
Didn't you know, you can make things true if you simply keep repeating them every second post or so.

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Just so we're clear,

The comment which was deleted stated that America was "a place we sent Religious nut jobs and the Irish to go and in breed.." and you're asserting that this is a good example of moderation due to political correctness?

Wow, that's me bang to rights.

edlong - Member
calling people names on a cycle forum aint racism
Really? Which part? Do you think that calling people names isn't racism? Or is it that it ceases to be racism if you are on a cycling forum when you do it?

Please don't suggest that is now a racist remark .

Do you actually even regard yourself as PC?

But they aren't, a lot of clubs have a history of far right views, but even those clubs "firms" are not exclusively white.

As I said before; a relatively very small number of exceptions does not prove the rule.

The point is, that we as a society don't see football hooliganism as a 'white' problem, because it isn't. Hooliganism has nothing to do with ethnicity, and everything to do with issues of ignorance, frustration, anger and low self esteem. The motivation for criminal activity by all sots of individuals including those from traveling communities as well as those who live in houses, has nothing to do with ethnicity either. Therefore, people need to look beyond myths and misinformation, and see the underlying causes of social problems. Because if you want to actually address an issue, and improve things, then it's crucial to employ this approach, rather than the narrow-minded 'all X people are so-and-so's' type of rhetoric.

I'm reminded of a popular phrase from my childhood (which goes back way further than that); 'black people have a marvellous sense of rhythm'. Stereotypical, and perhaps condescending and patronising, yet mainly meant with affection and indeed admiration. Racist? No. I never felt truly comfortable with it though, it just didn't sit right with me. And none of my black friends ever seemed offended by it, they were more like 'yeah, whatever' about it.

I wonder what the 'PC Brigade' would make of it now?

Cougar - Moderator
Just so we're clear,

The comment which was deleted stated that America was "a place we sent Religious nut jobs and the Irish to go and in breed.." and you're asserting that this is a good example of moderation due to political correctness?

Wow, that's me bang to rights.

No, point taken that's me banged to rights, I'd even forgotten what it was, very true though...

So did it have gears? 😉

You should go to the ballet then 😉

Black is a colour or a lack of colour, eliminating the use of a colour as an adjective or adverb is pretty perverse.

Kryton in the US you have to say coloured as black is the offensive term iirc

do you and your fellows Junkyard now consider it an insult to be called PC?

you are probably correct but can you give me an example of it being used positively - Black then something good?

....pudding?

No English breakfast pie is complete without it. Mmmmmmmmmmmm. Hungry now 😀

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wgm, no, I don't feel insulted being called "PC". I take it as recognition that I'm bothered to make the effort to use language in a way that doesn't insult or offend my fellow human being.

You didn't answer my question though, which was why you think that calling people names on a cycling forum wouldn't be racist?

I have tasted that and it was not good but very funny 😆

Oh and Black pool obviously

Black power, Junkyard? Positive to me anyhow.

I'd post this image but the bar above the post box is missing:

Junkyard - lazarus
you are probably correct but can you give me an example of it being used positively - Black then something good?

Are you really trying to infer eveything that is black is bad and therefore that context applies racially also?

Junkyard you seem to have a almost phsychopathetic need to start and argument, but thats pretty low IMO.

Black power, Junkyard? Positive to me anyhow.

MOBO awards?

I drive an A3 Black Edition but it's red and I'm white. 😕

Black tie?

JZ's Black Album

Black Sabbath (the rock group)

Black Wych beer

Black Rain (great film)

Being "in the black"

What about the flip side, phrases which use white to be positive?

"Whiter than white."

Black beauty?

What are we talking about btw? I read the op and a few posts yesterday-the thread seems to have drifted somewhat!

Like it'll be all

white

Saying that a white ball gets a bit of stick on a snooker table so it's all swings and roundabouts...

Diamond White, Foxy Browns musical alter ego, she' got a hot body and is Black.

There you go, fading from one t'other all in one sentence and in a positive light.

Ah some interesting counter points Black power i and MOBO as well - that was done for positive discrimination iirc by a white BMXer- andy Ruffell?

Kryton selective quoting and a psychopathic dig 🙄
It was a question that is all . Do you really want to claim I am a racist towards black people and view them negatively ....respectfully get a grip
FWIW you would infer i would imply and your inference is wrong

Ok i am happy to accept that the term black is not always used in a negative way - no point debating if you wont admit you were wrong ..fair point all. It was never a point about race and was not meant to cause offence

Junkyard I'm asking you that is all. In the two threads I've encountered you in 48 hours you've appeared to want to merely start / enjoy an argument. Why you'd want to is beyond me, peace to all and all that.

My inference is wrong? Good, that's pleasing to hear, which of course proves you wrote the statement to be deliberately antagognistic toward the other posters. Again, why bother?

Not really clear of your motives TBH.

Junkyard - lazarus
Ah some interesting counter points Black power i and MOBO as well - that was done for positive discrimination iirc by a white BMXer- andy Ruffell?

Who is being selective now eh?

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanya_King - WITH Andy Ruffell.

The black in snukker is worth the most points. But, then again, it could be argued that snukker is a racialistical game anyway.

@whitegoodman, that comment about Ameruca being somewhere "we sent the Irish to breed" is the proper language of an unenlightened Neanderthal shithead. That you didn't get a short ban for it says a lot about the tolerance of the moderators here. Sometimes it's best not to ban folk for a while because, like many before you, they'll continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

It's kinda sad that every few months we have to go through explaining to the unenlightened what's racist and what's not tbh. Seems to be the same people over and over. But hey, people are like pistachios.

Black pudding is foul stuff, then again white pudding is pretty miserable stuff too.

Whoever invented lawn bowls MUST have been a rampaging racist too, all them black bowls bullying the white jack, sheeesh.

Bang outta order.

But hey, people are like pistachios.

Slightly salty but very moreish?

The black in snukker is worth the most points.

But its always the white ball that puts it away. Racist through to it's dirty rotten core, that game is

Edit: read the whole post before answering, doofus!

But hey, people are like pistachios

I have to get in quickly before the wife finishes them all off?

But its always the white ball that puts it away. Racist through to it's dirty rotten core,that game

Oh! Well (re)spotted!!

What about the flip side, phrases which use white to be positive?

Carte blanche?

White Power?

White dog poo?

edlong - Member
wgm, no, I don't feel insulted being called "PC". I take it as recognition that I'm bothered to make the effort to use language in a way that doesn't insult or offend my fellow human being.

You didn't answer my question though, which was why you think that calling people names on a cycling forum wouldn't be racist?

Well that's good news, so me calling you PC doesn't upset you, neither is it racist, which answers your second question in that it depends what you call them doesn't it, call me a Roadie and I'll be upset.

I've also had another think whilst away at lunch and decided Cougar does indeed owe me a bike now, that deleted witticism which I have used on a couple of other forums with no ill effect due to it's obvious jocular intent, was deleted due to Political Correctness of the type that first elicited this thread.

My inference is wrong? Good, that's pleasing to hear, which of course proves you wrote the statement to be deliberately antagognistic toward the other posters. Again, why bother?

Not really clear of your motives TBH.

Junkyard - lazarus
Ah some interesting counter points Black power i and MOBO as well - that was done for positive discrimination iirc by a white BMXer- andy Ruffell?
Who is being selective now eh?

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanya_King - WITH Andy Ruffell.

Get over it please I have not posted up the thread which i would if I was being antagonistic

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LOL @ Junkyards attempted reversal of blame.

Mate, others were pointing accusingly at you, I'm merely pointing out your recent history of argumentative content. I'm asking you why you are being so.

Re the recent MOBO post - if you are so adament in your defense, why not take the the 2 minutes it took me to discover who the actual founder of the MOBO's was, instead of using "IIRC" as your sole defence when trying to show that your attempt at demonstrating white supremacy at a black orientated event is called into question? You clearly have a 'puter at your fingertips.......

Clear enough?

deadlydarcy - Member
The black in snukker is worth the most points. But, then again, it could be argued that snukker is a racialistical game anyway.

@whitegoodman, that comment about Ameruca being somewhere "we sent the Irish to breed" is the proper language of an unenlightened Neanderthal shithead. That you didn't get a short ban for it says a lot about the tolerance of the moderators here. Sometimes it's best not to ban folk for a while because, like many before you, they'll continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

So, I'm trying to understand why you would find that anything other than what it was, a joke, used often enough, and in context with what I believe was a thread with a fairly anti religious sentiment from memory, so just so I know and don't offend your sensibilities in future (I'm still fairly new here) exactly what bit offended you, the Religious Nutcases, or the Irish bit? Are you an American? I've used that joke to lots of them to their faces only to be greeted by healthy laughter. So why does it upset you, sufficient that you would be so insulting to someone you've never met and would be extremely unlikely to do to my face? It's easy keyboard bravado, isn't it?

Ever heard the one about the convicts and Australia?

unenlightened Neanderthal shithead.

That's well below "racist" on my list of insults, but is less funny and includes more potty language than the dig at Americans that provoked it. I always assumed septics were fair game in the same way as France is fair game for CNBC reporters.

wgm

I'm with you now. Calling me "PC" wouldn't offend or be racist (how could it be?), however if you called me "pikey", "****" or "****", on a cycling forum or anywhere else, then it would be. So, in summary calling people names on a cycling forum IS racist, if the names that you are calling someone are racist ones. But that's not what we started off disagreeing about, was it? I think the disagreement is about whether "pikey" is racist. I maintain that it is.

I'm still fairly new here

Since 15/5/12 by my reckoning.

The socks are very comfy.

edlong - Member
wgm

I'm with you now. Calling me "PC" wouldn't offend or be racist (how could it be?), however if you called me "pikey", "****" or "****", on a cycling forum or anywhere else, then it would be. So, in summary calling people names on a cycling forum IS racist, if the names that you are calling someone are racist ones. But that's not what we started off disagreeing about, was it? I think the disagreement is about whether "pikey" is racist. I maintain that it is.

OK yes on this we agree and it is in my view the whole nub of this thread, which come to think about jolly old argumentative Junkyard diverted down this path with the whole 'pikey' discussion. You know my opinion I do however accept your point and that you have the backing of the law, something until now I was unaware of, wrong in my view for all the points I made.

Perhaps you should be tasked with producing the official list of banned words and insults, jokes like my Religious Nutcases and Irish and then the thread be made a sticky for all the world to see, then we won't have to live in constant fear of the humiliation of the ban hammer.

Cougar - Moderator
I'm still fairly new here
Since 15/5/12 by my reckoning.

Is it ready yet?

Since 15/5/12 by my reckoning.

But "sleeping" until main ID was banned.

nealglover - Member
Since 15/5/12 by my reckoning.
But "sleeping" until main ID was banned.

People keep saying that, I do post lots on other forums, but not so much here until now, so who is/was it you think I am/was, TJ or whoever 'Fred' was?

If one is [temp] banned - how does anyone else know?

There's no humiliation, just cooling off. I was, ahem, under the influence when I posted the thread that got me banned.

People keep saying that, I do post lots on other forums, but not so much here until now, so who is/was it you think I am/was, TJ or whoever 'Fred' was?

Thought you were new here ?
They've both been banned for ages so you wouldn't know either of them.

But you know TJ and pretend not to know Fred.

Mmmmm ?? Not too sure about that.

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But "sleeping" until main ID was banned.

It's not banned, is the interesting thing. Well, not yet. *flexes*

That's well below "racist" on my list of insults, but is less funny and includes more potty language than the dig at Americans that provoked it. I always assumed septics were fair game in the same way as France is fair game for CNBC reporters.

Here it is for you Ed. it wasn't [i]supposed[/i] to be funny. I was being entirely serious (though possibly insulting to Neanderthals). So you can stop trying to see the humour in it. The comment that provoked it may have been a dig at Americans (or whatever smartarse word you're choosing to use this week to describe them) but included a dig at another nation. A fairly base one at that. But y'know, I'm not at all surprised that [i]you'd[/i] choose not to see it. Do you need smileys in future?

But you know TJ and pretend not to know Fred.

To be fair, as I recall, Fred was banned some time before TJ was?

wgm, I think "Fred" was username "elfinsafety" (could be wrong, someone correct me if so)

It's not banned, is the interesting thing. Well, not yet. *flexes*

Has a two log-in dude been isolated from the pack?

I'll get the kindling, the rest of you start building the pyre!

wgm, I think "Fred" was username "elfinsafety" (could be wrong, someone correct me if so)

Yup. Fred, Elf etc... etc...

I'm hoping that the main ID is a mod, that would be funny.

And someone said this place was boring?

Good.
Life ban please.

I hate multiple ID's.
It's cowardly & dishonest.

Yes, I know Batman had multiple ID's, but as far as I know, he doesn't post on here.

I've got some 'Green Hornet' socks for tomorrow, btw.
I'll let you know how that goes.