[Closed] iDave Diet Joinee

Philly, after 2 hours of cycling las weekend I eat pretty much a whole tub of tesco rum and raisin. Yum

emsz - you're not a very nice person, are you?

It's important to pretend that you eat healthily on these threads.

Sorry yeti

After cycling 2 hours last weekend I eat 2 beans and a protein shake of crushed rubarb and celery stalks

Ok?

Well done!

How much more weight are you hoping to lo'o'se?

How about taking it one stage at a time ?

Well I've been trying for years, how slow should I take it? The point of intervals is to go hard, surely? They aren't all flat out - some are longer and hence more paced.

Going very fast is what feels good to me, and it's what I need to do to enjoy myself on the bike. I spent too long doing what didn't feel right.

I don't think it's a case of how slow you should be going but more a case of how much effort you can put in without your body feeling the desire for sugar and refuelling afterwards, or beforehand for that matter. Only you can work this out, try experimenting 😉

Kev

it's what I need to do to enjoy myself on the bike

If the enjoyment of each individual session is the most important thing to you then there's no point in us discussing it any more.

Although I don't imagine that aspiring racers enjoy every session they do.

If I'm going to be faster and more powerful, I need to really stretch my legs, and that means putting me well into the carb burning zone. However, I don't have to do it for long, which means that my carb stores should be sufficient powered by beans and a little simple carbs here and there. Which is what I'm going for.

Anyway - here's support for my Twix theory 🙂

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17511011

a little simple carbs here and there

Didn't you say earlier in this thread that you had a can of coke pre exercise and another after?

I sometimes do, if I haven't had much carbs all day long. Not always though. And that day in question was an hour's running which is pretty intense for me. And I had no carbs during.

A coke has as much carbs as what, a scoop and a half of energy drink. So three scoops in total when the rest of the day I'd had only veg, eggs and meat and three tiny choccies. Is that really too much?

quite convenient that report being released just before easter. really, in all honesty Molly it's an excuse for you to eat it. It seems to me you'd rather eat chocolate than lose weight, then flog yourself half to death in a vain effort to try and burn it off, only leading you with a desire to consume yet more of the same. Viscious circle.

Kev

Is that really too much?

IMO yes.

Today.

Swam for 50 mins this morning.
80g Porridge
handful of nuts
peperami

50 mins circuit training
prawn chorizio lentil and bean stew with flat bread
2 slices of pineapple

Possibly some more nuts and a banana mid afternoon.

hour and a half of yoga
chicken and chickpea curry, with quinoa or more flat bread.

I'll sleep like a baby.

in all honesty Molly it's an excuse for you to eat it

That was a joke!

then flog yourself half to death in a vain effort to try and burn it off

I flog myself to train to get faster... A lot of misguided assumptions going on here. Honestly - there should be no reason why a fit active cyclist cannot eat three frickin choccies once or twice a week!

Yeti. You think I should eat less? Do you think I've not tried? What should I do when I start feeling terrible? Anyway that food you posted isn't that different to what I eat.

If I'm going to be faster and more powerful, I need to really stretch my legs, and that means putting me well into the carb burning zone

This for me was bad. I used to do everything hard.. running, cycling, circuit training. I always thought to get fit you had to push yourself hard.

A few years ago I had a fitness test and found my fat burning was absolutely terrible. The guy said I was typical of a lot of mountain bikers. Good power at top end but very bad base.

I then did lots of zone 2 training (and idave) and became a much more efficient cyclist and a lot leaner. (I went from using 43% of energy from fat to 84% in 5 months *at my aerobic base point)

this taught me i needed to do slower pace rides and it was needed all year round.

TD I also had the same experience. However I did too much base and lost a lot of power. Which made it hard for me to really hammer myself in races.

I am doing intervals and hoping to do base riding at the weekends, but I am not managing to get out.

I didn't just do base though.. I was given zone 2 only training workouts with 1 interval a week building up to 3 intervals a week in march.

double post

I didn't just do base either, but that's what happened. What you describe is the classic approach to cycle training.

TSY:

Edit - If I knew how to use the search function I'd find the thread that talked about your early days on the diet.

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/i-am-finally-on-the-idave-diet#post-2382498 ]Ahem.[/url]

molly..... you said:

For instance, I train for cycling, and for that I need to be lean[b], so the [u]weight loss is a side requirement of cycling training[/u].

[b]I have lost weight before by doing tons of low intensity riding and restricting calories[/b], but it was tough and took a loooooooot of hours. The new diet promises to be lots easier

goals changed since then?

Sorry not sure I understand what you are getting at Phil?

well you seem to be leaning away from the "for that I need to be lean" school of thought and focussing on power, but back then you we're pretty clear on the relationship between the two... in fact you seemed VERY focussed on shifting weight and the benefits that would bring to your riding 🙂 twas inspirational!

has power become more important than getting lean basically? i'm not trying to have a go, just trying to get a clearer picture of where you're coming from and how you're getting to where you want to be 🙂 I spin 2 mornings a week fueled only by a coffee (often haven't eaten anything since 2-3pm the day before other than an eccles cake in the evening) and i still go 100% whenever i'm being shouted at to do so. yeah its knackering, but thats the point innit 🙂

Disagree with being lighter to be more powerful/stronger/faster. Not everyone needs to be lighter to get PBs/have a better power to weight ratio - i'm a good example of this.

As for training Mol, i think you need to push much harder...you said on another thread you did KB squats with 24kgs? I squat 24kgs (sumo squats, 3 sets of 15) with my KBs and could do more reps or lift heavier KBs if i wasn't easing up on them for racing so you should be lifting way more than me to get faster/stronger. And as for your comment on my fb status about racing both days at the weekend and it beung too much to do well in - I set a new PB of 36kph for 58mins on Saturday (comfortable hr too). I felt great on Sunday and set out for a good result which i would have achieved if my bike hadn't broken 10km in. Since it broke and I was feeling strong, we then went out at did 60km of lakeland hills instead, sitting at 40kph on the flat. It can be done if you push hard - i make sure every session counts and has a goal/aim. I'm not meaning to have a go, I'm just saying that i think for some things, you can push harder than you think you can. You can also force your body to adapt to the exercise you want to be able to do....a year ago i'd have said i was an endurance rider, can't go flat on the fast and could climb well all day. Fast forward a year, i can sit at 35-50kph on the flat totally comfortably, i love short and hard races, not interested in endurance at all, and my climbing isn't as good as it used to be.

Btw, try beetroot juice. Minging but i'm 100% sure it works.

well you seem to be leaning away from the "for that I need to be lean" school of thought and focussing on power

Well, when I was 94kg it was clear that I had load of lard to shift. That went fairly easily, but now I seem to be struggling to shift much more. And I've discovered that there seems to be a bit of a tradeoff with me at least between max power and weight loss. So I dunno really.

yeah its knackering, but thats the point innit

Well there's a difference between feeling knackered cos you've worked to your maximum potential, and feeling knackered cos you're under-fueled. I've got a power meter, so when I am pushing as hard as I can and only developing 250W I know something's badly wrong. I don't know if doing that actually gives me any benefit, or what that might be. Is it better to fuel up a bit more and knock out 350W for the whole session? My legs would get more of a workout, but is that the kind of exercise I want?

DG - I squatted 24kg cos that's the biggest I have! Also it was down to the floor, I dunno what sumo squats are.

You can also force your body to adapt to the exercise you want to be able to do...

True, and my aim is XC racing, which needs great gobs of power for a relatively short amount of time. However it also needs light weight 🙁

Re beetroot juice - can I just eat borscht instead?

Have you thought about a few sessions of goading a carnivore, as it has a similar fitness profile to xc racing?

[url] http://tinyurl.com/dynmnny [/url]

underfuel and keep working until you can get back up to 350 without needing simple sugars? first few times spinning it killed me, and it still kills me, but i'm working harder with more power every time i go... conditioning i believe it might be known as 🙂

IanMunro - Member
Have you thought about a few sessions of goading a carnivore, as it has a similar fitness profile to xc racing?

http://tinyurl.com/dynmnny

Relevant!

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😀

Anyway that food you posted isn't that different to what I eat.

I don't drink fizzy drinks. Ever.
I also regularly clock up your entire weekly exercise quota in a day.

As I said before. If it's about enjoyment alone. Do what you enjoy.

If it's to become a quicker rider. Lose weight.

Not everyone needs to be lighter to get PBs/have a better power to weight ratio - i'm a good example of this.

Dirty - I think that at a tiny size 8 you're not really on the same level here. I'm guessing that the couple of lb you gain is probably in functional muscles... not in fat?

I also regularly clock up your entire weekly exercise quota in a day.

You gonna take that, Molgrips?

Is it underfuelling or under/over resting Mol? I don't mean over training - lack of sleep, stress etc can hinder sessions as you'll know. I get round this by relying 100% on what my hr and hrv reading is. If it says i'm ok to train hard, then i do, even if i'm tired - i'll feel bags better after it and have a better session than i thought. The only exception to the rule is if my legs haven't recovered but the rest of me has - legs suffering from doms don't make for good intervals/sprints. I've also found that too much rest leaves me with dead and heavy legs so maybe you aren't doing enough between sessions as an alternative thought process to consider?

Sumo squats - wider than normal squats with feet turned out to 2/3 and 9/10 o'clock. XC racing is similar to crit racing then - we were sprinting at 50kph for short periods of time before settling back to anything from 34-45kph. Try standing starts, these have done wonders for my racing and speed. Also try standing starts then into a full on sprint for about 1 min, ease back very slightly for a few seconds and then jump again to go faster than you were sprinting before. These will kill your legs, make you nearly puke by the end but achieve results (IME)

Also, if i were you, i'd think of ditching the coke in favour of something else, especially the post ride coke... i use malt loaf before a training ride after work, if i need an extra boost, a little chocolate/coffee helps.

Yeti, i think its half fat, half muscle. 😕 This year i'm going for all muscle, no fat but i'm not sure how i'm going to do that! Ramp test in 2 days time...so instead of enjoying my interval session outdoors tonight, i have to rest and wait to sweat it out inside with a bucket next to me 😈

So does the iDave approach have benefits even if only followed partially e.g. reducing consumption of white carbs and increasing the consumption of meat and veg? Or is it all or nothing?

I'm thinking here more about general health than significant weight loss or performance improvement.

I'm thinking here more about general health than significant weight loss or performance improvement.

underfuel and keep working until you can get back up to 350 without needing simple sugars?

Well how long would that take? How much could I train my fat metabolism in a season, and would I gain more or less than if I concentrated on my overall power? Too many questions.

I also regularly clock up your entire weekly exercise quota in a day

You're single, child free and obsessed, so great. I do wonder why you're not quicker on a bike though given the amount of time you spend at it 🙂 Plus I wonder how hard you actually go during these efforts. Get a power meter.

If it's to become a quicker rider. Lose weight.

Or gain power - you must agree that is another way.

XC racing is similar to crit racing then

Hmm.. XC racing is (or should be) about 80% flogging your guts out and 20% descending flat out which is still quite hard work.

So does the iDave approach have benefits even if only followed partially

It should do.

"increasing the consumption of meat and veg"

Que?

Well how long would that take? How much could I train my fat metabolism in a season, and would I gain more or less than if I concentrated on my overall power?

i dunno, i'm just a psych nurse... might be worth getting some professional advice if you're serious about the goals you've set yourself?

a power meter wont win your races, but a 6pack will win you the unlimited sexual favours. that is a MEDICAL FACT.

might be worth getting some professional advice if you're serious about the goals you've set yourself

I have 🙂

You're single, child free and obsessed,

1/3 ain't bad. LOL at the other comment... I forget that you're pushing for the podium in all these races you're doing 😛
We still need to ride when you're not having problems with your forks, or go for a little road jaunt maybe?

Oh, and sod the power meter, my Garmin is grief enough.

Never giving up the dream, Yeti.

you have? then why not ask them these questions instead of posting them on here? iConfused

Or gain power - you must agree that is another way.

I'd have thought it depends on what distance you want to quick over. Greater power, greater weight, greater calorie burn, quicker fatigue. I'd imagine.

Cos ongoing consultancy costs a lot more than one-off..!

I'd have thought it depends on what distance you want to quick over. Greater power, greater weight, greater calorie burn, quicker fatigue.

Yep, hence choosing XC as a target rather than enduro races. I realised that I'm not suited to enduro and I don't have the time to train for it.

but a 6pack will win you the unlimited sexual favours. that is a MEDICAL FACT.

[i]Yep, hence choosing XC as a target rather than enduro races. I realised that I'm not suited to enduro and I don't have the time to train for it.[/i]

Ah well I've always imagined low weight, a good power to weight ratio, good vo2max and an enjoyment of crashing are the key components of xc 🙂

Cos ongoing consultancy costs a lot more than one-off..!

And I imagine it's a complete waist of money when they don't tell you what you want to hear?