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It is a good starting point though.
How tall are you?
Doesn't work like that.
That told you, CaptJon. Now don't you feel stupid?
How many calories do I burn up in the 48 hours following a hard workout? What's my base metabolic rate? How many calories do I burn up doing a kettlebell workout after the run, and what does that to do my metabolic rate short or long term?
I'm 5'11
Mol, I eat pasta maybe once a fortnight at most. I do eat a fair amount of bread but predominately it's wholewheat and post exercise.
Exercising twice or more a day does, admittedly, make it easy to have a diet very close to the iDiet with it's post exercise concessions.
My biggest weakness is fruit. I have always eaten loads of it, thankfully it's a lot more nutritious than a fizzy drink.
I reckon you should give the diet a full month and see if your body adapts to it and starts using its own reserves. Ultimately that's 12 hours of your training that might be sub-optimal. Hardly going to set you back in the grand scheme of things.
If it works though, and you shift some lbs...
[i]Are you suggesting I should ignore how my body feels and just plough on doing poor workouts and feeling like sh*t, recovering poorly, mentally fatigued and unable to concentrate on my job? Cos that's what happens if I don't get enough carbs.[/i]
surely anyone who has several kg of fat to lose has been eating too many carbs? I would imagine it's pretty difficult to gain fat by eating too much fibre or too much protein.
Kev
Just diet Molly, work out at your 90% for twice as long......BOOM! 180% right there 🙂 you can gain the extra exercise time by spending less time drinking full fat coke and posting on here defending your coke 😉
In that past I ate too many carbs, yes. On this diet the weight fell off at first, then ut became harder and harder.
Out of interest what should I have for my simple carbs if not coke?
This is how I eat now. I don't 'need' to lose weight. I'm faster than I have been for 20 years.
In the first hour of exercise you can only use 20g of ingested carbs. Any more than this will switch off effective fat burning metabolism and actually make you 'need' carbs during exercise.
MG - I suspect your pre-run coke is making you need more carbs and making the iDave diet ineffective.
Also coke is utter nutritionally vacuous shite, full of huge amounts of high fructose corn syrup to mask the taste of the high thirst inducing salt content.
Also coke is utter nutritionally vacuous shite, full of huge amounts of high fructose corn syrup to mask the taste of the high thirst inducing salt content.
/pedant mode on
Coke in the UK, and most of the world apart from US & Canada, do not contain HFCS 55.
As above, no HFCC or salt in UK coke, just sugar and water mostly. No way would I drink US coke, it's rough as hell and tastes bad too.
Is there really much difference between sugar and maltodextrin in exercise terms?
I'm just utterly baffled that anyone wanting to lose weight would even consider drinking cola and eating chocolate. It's a total contradiction.
I don't even know why you think you [i]need[/i] all these carbs pre exercise anyway. There should be enough in your glycogen stores from what you've been eating all day or the day before.
Kev
Not seen molgrips on the defence like this since what'shisnameawesome flounced.
Maybe not on defence, but debating from a unique standpoint.
Jamie - yes, whatevz re' coke.
back down to 79kg from 82kg yesterday, roast potatoes and other visiting family type foods over the weekend = water retention i guess.
spinning this morning, hopefully get out on the bikes again for a ride this evening.
#workingharderthanmolly
#willprobablynevershiftmylovehandles 🙁
Molly - do you want me to do the old switcheroo and start fighting from your corner?
I think that there is a massive factor in training performance that is a result of what our sub-concious minds are telling us. Funking yourself up with hard training on an empty stomach is a way of getting your body to tell your mind what it's actually capable of.
Oi Phil! Keep hashtags on twitter!
...also, how tall are you? Trying to workout exactly how cuddly you are.
Oh, and I will give Molgrips his due, he is as fixed on his ideas as King Canute.
Jamie - yes, whatevz re' coke.
Don't hate the playa, hate the game, dawg.
He's not very cuddly at all 🙁
Jamie, you still riding road a lot? Fancy a sportive in a couple of weeks? Can you do 90 miles at >17.5mph if in a chain gang?
"Funking yourself up with hard training on an empty stomach is a way of getting your [s]body[/s] [b]mind[/b] to tell your [s]mind[/s] [b]body[/b] what it's actually capable of."
Does Jamie do hills? There are hills. How much wine can you drink Jamie?
Jamie, you still riding road a lot?
Not really. Mostly running, and as Dave says, I don't do hills.
P.S In seriousness, I don't go in for organised sportives/races etc. I'm like a lone wolf.
Jamie are you Chaz Michael Michaels?
I didn't think I did organised stuff.. but I actually loved it. I was a lone wolf pretty much the whole way... hunting down prey. Also - I really don't do hills... I live in fricking Oxfordshire FGS.
iDave - fair edit. I don't think everyone is at that point. Some people need their body to give their mind some encouragement.
full of huge amounts of high fructose corn syrup to mask the taste of the high thirst inducing salt content
Lots of salt? In coke? Is 75mg (3% gda) a lot?
Jamie, you'd fit in well, I rode on my own for 72 miles and didn't speak to anyone, even the three guys I rode with for a while. It's all about just battering yourself senseless. I promise not to talk to you or even acknowledge that you're there.
i'm 6foot tall on the dot Jamie 🙂
starting to see abs at the front when i move/stretch but love handles now look massive in comparison to rest of body 🙁
having cans of tuna at work to snack on instead of buying junk from tescos is helping me i think
There should be enough in your glycogen stores from what you've been eating all day or the day before
Ok well I'm willing to accept that hypothesis. However I really don't feel like there is. Going back a page or two I don't think I can eat enough legumes etc to get enough carbs.
When I did stick to the exact recommendations, I had some problems not just with riding energy levels but also in general. I could never get enough sleep, I was distracted and couldn't concentrate on work. Out on the bike, I'd set off at a reasonable 320W or so hoping to keep it up for 10 miles, and 5 mins later I'd be struggling to keep up 250W.
The question is, how long should I keep that up before expecting an improvement? Six, eight weeks? It seems to happen every time I stick to the plan without a little extra supplementation. Can't ride well, can't work well, and it gets really hard to find the energy to deal with kids on little sleep.
So what should I be doing? I thought experimenting was the right thing to do.
Oh and really, what's the difference between a coke and two scoops of energy drink?
I could never get enough sleep
Could this be put down to being over analytical and a natural worrier?
Molly - load in on quinoa and flat breads?
IMO if you're going to supplement.. do it with fruit. Personally, if I needed to lose weight, I'd give it at least a month. How long have you actually done the plan for? IIRC you were adding chocolate from the very beginning.
Could this be put down to being over analytical and a natural worrier?
Are we talking about the same Molgrips?
Could this be put down to being over analytical and a natural worrier?
What I meant was, no matter how much sleep I took I was always tired. I almost always sleep well.
How long have you actually done the plan for?
As above, at least six weeks - but with very sporadic cheats, once or twice a week. I started to feel a lot better when I re-introduced more carbs AND I lost weight as well. Can't see how I did anything wrong there. The difference is now that I am not cycling to work.
The thing is, lots of other people don't seem to report these symptoms at all, so something's different.
I am upping the exercise for a week or two now as I seem to be mostly at home - I'll let you know how it goes.
😆
coke is just vile, why even buy into it, it's junk. anyway that aside, why not experiment with your training? Sounds to me like if you feel so flogged to death that you can't work or sleep properly you are doing too much, trying to train over and above your fitness level. How about do a bit less then maybe you won't feel such a need to eat sugar before and after, and to have to refuel so much at meal times. Try backing off the intense intervals for a few weeks, maybe you'll lose some weight that way. You can always go back to them afterwards. It's not like you're going to lose precious fitness.
Kev
very sporadic cheats, once or twice a week
lots of other people don't seem to report these symptoms at all
I can't work it out.
Edit - If I knew how to use the search function I'd find the thread that talked about your early days on the diet.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17511011 ]Mmmmm! Chocolate.[/url]
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coke is just vile, why even buy into it, it's junk
I'd like some evidence please not just marketing copy.
Sounds to me like if you feel so flogged to death that you can't work or sleep properly you are doing too much, trying to train over and above your fitness level
I'm not new to this training game. In Germany it was something like 4-8 hours a week, now it's about three as above. In the form of several short workouts.
Try backing off the intense intervals for a few weeks, maybe you'll lose some weight that way
Three hours a week of bimbling around in 45 minute stretches isn't going to do anything for me.
The question is do I a) fuel to exercise so that it feels good and positive, hoping that I'll lose weight through the exercise or b) feel like crap, ride like crap and hope that I'll lose weight that way?
Three hours a week of bimbling around in 45 minute stretches isn't going to do anything for me.
Might it start tapping into any fat reserves?
iDave - I'll edit again then.
Molly - do you fancy a sportive?
ok molly, can you break down what those 3 hours a week consist of at present? is that 4X 45 minute sessions on the bike or 4X 30mins plus 15mins of kettlebells or what?
... again
LoLing (again) at all the boys trying to loose weight...
Loolling at your spelling
A sportive would be nice but again, not easy to dump the kids on Mrs Grips all day when I could be helping.
As for fat reserves, I thought we'd established that high intensity was more effective for people without much time?
My point in all the above is that it looks to me like I need to focus on the training whilst eating appropriately. Training is more important after all.
My training is very patchy, and this is my main problem, not the diet.
why are you LOLing at us emsz? its the same media thats encouraging a certain body-type as an ideal for men as it is for women 😛
i'm losing weight for health reasons, if i end up looking as sexy as deadlydarcy in the process then the world ends up a nicer place to live in for wimminz such as yourself 😆 8)
*checks out flat tummy, decides not to care about spelling*
8)
you're the kinda person who sits outside the weigh****chers groups with a whole tub of hagen daaz being very vocal about how tasty and creamy it is aren't you!? 👿
if we all stared at ice-cream and focus we could make emsz into a biffer
checks out flat tummy, decides not to care about spelling
emsz - without pictures this means nothing.
I'm not saying you're not new to training and I didn't say bimble around for 45mins. By all means do intervals but try backing off the intensity. I cannot help but think you're flogging yourself half to death in a vain effort to become as fit /fast /thin as you think you can be all in one go. How about taking it one stage at a time ?
Kev