[Closed] iDave Diet Joinee

I don't know why you think I am ignoring the coach advice?

It's just the way you come across on here Mol.

Ok...

So, I've read this post since page two, which is where I last [i]contributed[/i]

Firstly, FWIW, I will join the others here who have diss'd coke.
As for [i]proving[/i] its evilness.
Well, thats a game Coke like to play, in a similar fashion to the cig manufs and death from smoking.
You pays your money....
😉

As always, I'm happy to learn new things.
You may question WTF I'm doing here then, but whatever.

So, if someone is looking to increase strength.
Then you move slow and heavy, no ?.

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As for administering fast carbs, pre-exercise.
I'd expect that if you're on a predominantly Low GI diet, then throwing too much sugar into the mix, is going to cause as much mayhem as it is raw fuel = power = speed ?.

Of more interest and possibly, relevance, is the post-exercise [i]fast[/i] carbs.
Which, it is claimed, aid recovery at the muscle level.
( If this is actually the case, I do not know the process )
Although, how doing this makes the individual FEEL, is another matter.
Which I would humbly suggest should take into account, actual AND percieved benefit/recovery being [i]experienced[/i] by the subject.

Also, while I'm boring your pants off.
I thought HIIT was to take place over short durations.
If we're talking intervals here,
Then running for an hour does sound correct.
Surely a handful of short sprints is going to elicit a better response ???.

Furthermore, I'd question whether going 100 percent for an hour is even possible, yet along advisable ?.
As has been mentioned earlier.
Chainganging exists for a reason.

Sensible answers to any of my Qs, are most welcome.
Thanks in advance.
🙂

I've just read through the last four pages, and i'm confused what you aims are at the moment mols. Can you re-state them?

Solo's back!!

And he's written a poem.

x x

It's just the way you come across on here Mol.

Yeah well.. I'm almost always mis-interpreted. I like to learn and develop not just follow instructions regardless. Unless I work with a coach constantly he won't know exactly how I feel and my exact requirements.

Furthermore, I'd question whether going 100 percent for an hour is even possible

Well of course, but 100% for an hour is a different pace than 100% for 10 seconds.

As for the running - that hour workout was my endurance session, I do intervals too.

As I recall MG followed the program given at the time it was given, though it was some time ago. I remember some amends were made to fit in with work/family etc. The program now 'may' be completely different, I don't know.

I like to learn and develop not just follow instructions regardless. Unless I work with a coach constantly he won't know exactly how I feel and my exact requirements.

a good coach tells you what to do and shouts at you when you're not doing it hard enough. #sextipsthatalsoapplytotraining

[i]And I imagine it's a complete waist of money... [/i]

<s****> 😛

Just out of interest Molly, what sort of positions do you get at the moment, top 5%, top 10% or top 20% ?

Kev

Furthermore, I'd question whether going 100 percent for an hour is even possible

Re recovery, I'm with Mol on needing faster carbs to help my legs recover but i'm training 5/6 days a week and or racing. I don't care whether its simply because i think it will or not, it works and that's all i care about. 🙂

As for moving slow and heavy Solo to increase power, i'd say in the gym (for translation to more power on the bike) its about being more dynamic ie jumping squats etc, and on the bike, its about standing starts and sprints. Can't help with the running aspect as all i did was endurance running.

? How much could I train my fat metabolism in a season

Well i did it in less than 5 months which involved 1hr base rides at a time.

Another guy on here Mulletus Maximus is now seeing the same coach and by all accounts has made big gains (also on idave)

I agree Dirty if you prefix "100% effort" with the word 'perceived'.

? How much could I train my fat metabolism in a season

Well i did it in less than 5 months which involved 1hr base rides at a time.

Another guy on here Mulletus Maximus is now seeing the same coach and by all accounts has made big gains (also on idave)

you forget yeti, a powermeter means you never have to perceive again....

[i]+1 for entirely possible, and longer too in my case as my first road race demonstrated[/i]

DGOAB.
Oops, you have pionted out my mistake.
I didn't quantify a time period.
You can go 100 percent for an hour ?....

I wasn't lecturing or disagreeing on the post-exercise [i]fast[/i] carbs.
I was asking - [i]( If this is actually the case, I do not know the process )
[/i]

[i]As for moving slow and heavy Solo to increase power, [b]i'd say in the gym (for translation to more power on the bike) its about being more dynamic ie jumping squats etc[/b], and on the bike, its about standing starts and sprints. Can't help with the running aspect as all i did was endurance running.[/i]

In that case, why is Mr Hoy bothering with moving all that weight with his legs ?.

[i]if you prefix "100% effort" with the word 'perceived'. [/i]

This ^^

you can certainly spend an hour at 100% of the effort that you can sustain for an hour.

Yay. Solo's back again!!

x x

I was going to point out that you had kindly posted a picture of Mr Hoy, I very much doubt he's doing explosive movements there!

with legs that size i bet his penis looks tiny.

and that children is why you shouldn't train too hard.

His requirements are a little different than most of ours.

Ok, how are we definining 100% max then? My max hr (pre ramp test) is/was 202. I averaged 194 and 190 for longer periods than an hour which puts me in the hardest hr zone. Clearly i couldn't ride at 202 for an hour, so the 194 average was as hard as i could go, hitting 202 for times and backing off.

Solo, i should have said IMO/E. I've been there with the slower and heavier weights type stuff. Now shaken it up to be much more dynamic = much better riding power than before.

I was going to point out that you had kindly posted a picture of Mr Hoy

I'm still not sure what Molly is training for 😕

"Ok, how are we definining 100% max then"

It doesn't mean anything. No idea why it was mentioned TBH.

[i]I was going to point out that you had kindly posted a picture of Mr Hoy, I very much doubt he's doing explosive movements there! [/i]

Agree.

However, he is moving heavy and slow to build muscle for that frame buckling strength he needs to totally mash those pedals.

Also, I would add that he doesn't appear to tolerating excess BF in his quest of his goals.

Personally, I think that pursuing a training regime which ignores possible performance gains from reduced weight and tolerating excess body fat, may not produce the easiest route to success.

But that doesn't mean you can't try.

In that case, why is Mr Hoy bothering with moving all that weight with his legs ?.

cus he's a track cyclist that needs to generate a lot of power from a standing start maybe?

we're all getting distracted avoiding the real issue, which is ignoring the OP and the original point of the thread and poking molly till he goes crazy or admits he probably shouldn't drink coke as part of a training plan for getting on the podium at XC races

Phil - I don't care about any of it anymore.

Solo's back!

I'm still not sure what Molly is training for

Looks like you'll be getting a race licence soon enough though! Once you've got that itch sportives won't scratch it for long 😀

Mustard - tell me about it! I was in a pack for maybe 5k pushing for 25 or so miles per hour... flipping loved it! Not got that much desire to be on the mtb at the minute at all.

can i have your bikes then yeti? mrsconsequence needs a bouncybike

Depends if you get that bondage stuff for your wedding Phil!

[i]It doesn't mean anything. No idea why it was mentioned TBH. [/i]

Sorry, I thought someone was claiming to go 100 percent for a prolonged duration ( not a short sprint ).
I may have misread.
If so, apologies.

[i]His requirements are a little different than most of ours. [/i]

The way I was reading the recent pages, was that you were not getting bogged down with reducing body fat, at the expense of increasing strength.

I was thinking that moving heavy, slowly would increase strength.
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I define 100% as as hard as you can go for that period of time. So that when you finish the session you are knackered.

Pretty hard to actually quantify though... I suppose what I was doing before was averaging the power achieved during a session and using that as my target plus a little bit each time.

Does anyone know anything about Garmin Training Effect?

Mine is often at 5.0. Which is what it defines as 'over-reaching' and therefore a maximum.

I think it's a bit of a gimmick but a session at 5.0 is normally quite tiring.

This reminds me of conversations i used to have with an obese workmate, who had loads of ideas of how to lose the weight, but wouldn't actually commit to any of them and she also thought she had a special sort of body that worked differently to everyone elses and so she needed to eat chips etc. she was not succesfull.

Not got that much desire to be on the mtb at the minute at all.

we're all getting distracted

Do you think you could be a bit more explicit in you understanding of what the iDiet is and how it will affect your health negatively?

Sigh, forgot I was posting on STW, should have anticipated the smart arse response...

So. The iDave diet has a bunch of rules about what to eat and what not to eat, the central theme appears to be to cut out things like dairy, fruit and simple/white carbs, replacing them with lean meat and veg. Apart from one day a week. I would imagine for a lot of people that represents a fairly dramatic change in eating habits. I can well believe that if followed rigorously it could have a correspondingly dramatic effect on someones weight, body fat % or whatever. My question was simply: is it an all or nothing effect (follow the diet to the letter or see little or no effect), or does following it partially result in a partial effect. What does the dose-response curve look like?

mustard, the point is there's a real risk of molly never admitting he shouldn't be drinking coke and in fact he should be drinking the juice from a can of chickpeas instead before and after riding

anybody giving up mtb and wanting to get rid of their 17"ish (medium)bouncy bike to a good cause AKA mrsconsequence let me know 😆

My question was simply: is it an all or nothing effect (follow the diet to the letter or see little or no effect), or does following it partially result in a partial effect. What does the dose-response curve look like?

it depends 🙂

For me, i followed it fairly strictly for 2-3 months. I now find my body has adapted somehow and (annoyingly for most) I can eat anything and stay lean. Pre idave i was 75kg and i'm now around 68kg and keep getting leaner (which isn't as good as it sounds as my GF has said my nice shoulders have gone after coming back from a majorca training camp)

Chris.
iDave diet was general, non-taylored, dietary advise / a suggestion for people with significant, excess, body weight.

IIRC, iDave released his suggestion just to help [i]" Biffers "[/i] as some on here put it.

Imo, iDave diet [i]MAY[/i] also serve as the entry point to a more specific diet.
To acheive a specific goal.
Or to be taylored in another way to suit the individual.

For me, it lead to looking at the dietary side of things more than the training and racing side of things.

If you were to extrapolate this.
Then you could be forgiven for thinking that lighter, via the iDave diet would result in faster....

[i]is it an all or nothing effect (follow the diet to the letter or see little or no effect), or does following it partially result in a partial effect. What does the dose-response curve look like? [/i]

Try that and let us know how you get on.

but wouldn't actually commit to any of them and she also thought she had a special sort of body that worked differently to everyone elses

Well my body type is in the minority amongst mtb racers it seems. And I do not eat chips and I am not fat.

I follow it pretty much as set out, I train hard on it, race on it, don't have the cheat days, use some simple carbs during and after 'some' training sessions and events, but not all. I feel healthy and have energy, recover well, and occasionally have a loaf of toast.

Well then I dunno what to do.

Mine is often at 5.0. Which is what it defines as 'over-reaching' and therefore a maximum.

I think it's a bit of a gimmick but a session at 5.0 is normally quite tiring.

Mine's normally at 11.
/Wanders off to look at the Garmin Connect website to find out what the real answer is.
Ah, looks like it needs HR.
The most recent one I've got with a HR is 8.8, which makes me beyond awesomeness from Garmin's perspective 🙂
The one previous was also 8.8, then I've got a 4.8, 8.8, 8.8, 8.8, 8.8,4.8 But I do give 110% which probably explains it 🙂