[Closed] I questioned someone leaving a bagged dog poo in a hedge.

I'm surprised she didn't punch you or hurl abuse. I thought that was the standard response when people are challenged on their right to do whatever the hell they want with impunity

Quite good, contains use of unnecessary capitals, but loses points for good spelling and lack of expletives 7/10

Agree completely. I have a dog and always bag up and take home. Discarded bags drive me mad as does dog poo left by the side and on the local sports pitches. It would be much better to flick it into a hedge rather leave it in a plastic bag.

7/10? For that? You are Len from Strictly and i claim my £5.

There could be entire new ecosystems developing in those bags, some of the older ones may have developed rudimentary societies.

Did you check whether she did?

Well done for challenging it. It maddens me. Even if everyone did come back and pick it up as there are so many people constantly walking dogs at various times of the day there will inevitably always be some bags of poo sat there looking ugly. I think a certain group of people just pick it up as people are watching and then hurl it in the nearest bush when alone. Death is too good for those people. More poo bins 5 to 10 mins from the start of popular walking spots would be good but obviously more hassle and expenses for council. Perhaps a dog tax is on order? Ps dog owner here.

It would be much better to flick it into a hedge rather leave it in a plastic bag.

It would be - but only in a lesser of two evils way. Stick and flick isn't suitable in all places and the risk of making stick and flick 'normal' is that people will use it inappropriately. Bagging and carrying out is always acceptable (we did this a couple of weeks back)

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/government-to-take-action-on-dog-poo-in-trees

and bagging and 'leaving to collect later' (yeah, right...) should carry the same penalty as not picking up.

It does beg belief.

I wonder how much the council or national park pay for the removal of hundreds of bags of pooh?

How can we stop it?

Rant over, I'm sick of it.

I hear ya!! Me too. I was on Moel Famau on Sunday and there were ****ing poo bags everywhere. I feel like giving them some...

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New looking black bag hanging on tree in local woods. The bin for such items is less than 20yds away. I don't get it!!!

I wouldn't stick your finger through one lodder's, very messy

My philosophy is all you dog owners are to blame, because there is that much dog shit on pavements and paths and bags left on the floor you all should be ashamed of yourselves its absolute disgrace when walking and having to dodge it, it would help if most of you dog people would first keep them on a lead then they couldn't venture of and just shit where ever they want, you wouldn't like if I dropped a large turd on the path/pavement and you stood in it would you

It's minging. Every single dognonce that does this should have their dog minced.

I got "bagging it and hanging it in a tree makes it easier for the rangers to pick up"

I agree.

I've nicknamed my local woods, dog shit woods due to all the inconsiderate tossers leaving their dogs business behind.

What I really don't get is bothering to pick it up, wrap in a bag and then leave it in a tree?!?

Why not just flick it into the bushes with a stick.

A suitable punishment is having the offenders face pushed into said dog turd.

There could be entire new ecosystems developing in those bags, some of the older ones may have developed rudimentary societies.

Top of Marchlyn Mawr reservoir on Monday.
It's lambing season, but one genius decides to ride up with his dog, off the lead.
Thoroughly deserved the bollocking he got from the warden.
And yes, he'd left a bag of dog shit at the bottom gate, which he seemed quite proud about.

All the usual entitled dog owner excuses:
'We come here all the time'.
'But he's a working cocker and my wife walks him every day'
'He's been fine around sheep so far'.

He's a lucky man.
Most of the farmers round there shoot dogs first and ask questions later.

I've had it with mountain bikers, the South East is too crowded for this behaviour, but it's always the 'other' mountain bikers doing it. I don't care anymore, every bit of countryside I want to enjoy is plagued with people riding bikes. How can we stop it? Mountain Bikers, when does it stop being the 'other' bikers and a collective responsibility.

I agree though chucking bags of shift into the treees and hedges is disgusting.

Where I used to live there were several dog poo bins scattered about. Someone would collect all of the dog turds out of their garden and put them in a black bin liner over the course of a few weeks. Then they would take the bin liner and dump it next to a poo bin, cos it was too big to fit in by this time. Then everyone would ignore it, including the blokes who empty the bin until it's been sat there for a couple of weeks. By which time the bag has split and spilt it contents all over the place.
The stench was atrocious, flies, maggots, the works. All over the place. Right next to a path.
Delightful behaviour.
Then, after asking the Parish Council to do something about it several times, it would disappear, only for the next black bin liner to appear a week or so later !
Seriously WTF !?!?!?!?!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Is it time dog owners got together to try and clear these places?

Maybe you are right. If I see discarded inner tubes I pick them up..thats an annoying habit too. I dont pick up other dogs shit though..maybe I should as I rarely leave the house without bags...

pictonroad - Member

Is it time dog owners got together to try and clear these places?

Dog community leaders should have to condemn it

🙂
Very good, Northwind.

I like dogs btw, family full of them.
Not keen on some of the owners.

Same mentality that will walk 2hrs carrying heavy full cans/bottles to a bothy but rather than carry the light empty ones out leaves them bagged for the non existent bin men to collect.

Dog community leaders should have to condemn it

I'm aware of the absurdity of collective responsibility based on a shared commonality, but, I'm somewhat at a loss what else can be done.

Suggestions from owners welcome.

Behaving like an entitled bellend is of course a modern right but I feel this is something that should be solvable.

I thought you were going to be talking about Highdown but it could be anywhere really. How many 'dog shit alley' segments are there on Strava? I recon there are [s]hundreds[/s] thousands in the UK

I'm surprised that no ones driven past these reprobates in a tractor with the silage spreader on full whack

Realistically, we need a kind of 'candid camera' tv prank show to ridicule the tools that leave the dog mess behind.

I'm aware of the absurdity of collective responsibility based on a shared commonality, but, I'm somewhat at a loss what else can be done.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2015/apr/28/dna-testing-dog-poo-have-to-be-barking-council

Dog owner here, two actually and they often do a couple of shits each when out and about (one even saves a little shit do in front of people).

I think I'm pretty good at telling when they're about to drop a load and I would say 19 times out of 20 pick it up and dispose of properly.

Possibly miss the occasional one, sometimes dogs have ninja shits that's just the way they are.

When off the beaten track I'll probably choose to kick a little bit into the deep undergrowth rather than bag it but its a decision to make on the spot regarding the risk of someone stumbling across it any chance of that and it gets bagged and binned.

However I think its the reluctance from some owners to make this assessment (probably in fear of the poo nazi's) and because they are in an open space far from bins and dont want to carry it so they bag the poo and chuck it, which is silly of course.

So the best solution is to try and educate people on when it may be ok to leave it in situ.

It wont work though, as we see on lots of subjects many humans are a bit stupid and getting stupider. It's like a zombie outbreak in slow motion, tbh I think youre all fekked.

Weird comparison between dog owners and cyclists on a mountain biking forum.

Me, there's nothing I hate more than the smell of inner-tubes on a trail, or riding over a discarded inner tube, or those lazy bastards who hang an inner tube on a tree to collect "on the way back." I always pick up discarded inner tubes from other cyclists when it happens, oh, never.

When off the beaten track I'll probably choose to kick a little bit into the deep undergrowth rather than bag it

I'm sure I read somewhere that this is what the forestry commission recommend rather than taking bags into rural areas.

I do go through a few bags, my border terrier has at least 5 shites a day!!

inner-tubes

Inner what granddad? 🙂

At Macclesfield Forest there is a huge problem with dog muck (in and out of bags) especially near the car park and amazingly, within 50 metres of two very visible dog poo bins and lots of signs asking owners to pick it up.

I think the people who pick up what others leave behind should stop doing it, and let the dog muck mountain on the footpaths and in the countryside pile up until the hideous sight and the smell finally alert them to their selfish behaviour.

As someone who has to go around and collect these things, if I ever catch someone doing it, they shall have my bin bag full of little wrapped presents dumped over their heads.

I've had bags split open and contents go over me (Those that are flung in to tress, hedges and undergrowth) I've hit hidden bags with mowers and strimmers resulting in having shit over me. Nappies are often hidden too.

The effort some go to to traipse through undergrowth and hide bags in animal holes at the foot of tress

I'd happily hide out for days with a sniper rifle picking them off one by one

When off the beaten track I'll probably choose to kick a little bit into the deep undergrowth rather than bag it

great when you have kids who love to run in the undergrowth.

Seems to be an explosion of dog shite in my area. Instead of enjoying the scenery I spend most of my time looking down at the path immediately in front of me and steering my kids out of the undergrowth / verges.

Promised the kids a country walk to a local pub for lunch last weekend, we got about half way when my 6 year old stood in a massive runny dog slick. Got it everywhere - trainers, trousers and hands when he went to wipe it off. Had to abort the trip, was flippin furious.

I was going to create a dog shit and broken glass alley segment near me but was so spoilt for choice I thought I could number them at which point realised it was a futile exercise.
Someone has sprayed some pick up and bag dog shit stencils on one of them which unfortunately seem to be covering the opposite message.

You lot seem to see issues way beyond what I see, never seen it as bad as some of you describe.

great when you have kids who love to run in the undergrowth.

Like I said punchy, you make a decision on the specific situation.

Why not just take it home, wherever you are?

If spotted hiding bag in tree or hedge why not retreive said bag and throw it at the back of their head " I think you dropped this , by mistake, here you are "

Dog community leaders should have to condemn it

I asked and they said "woof bark growl woof" and then peed on my leg.

Why not just take it home, wherever you are?

exactly

that can never be wrong. As soon as you allow 'discretion' about whether you have to bag or not then people will decide not to. As I said in a previous thread there's plenty of situations where stick and flick isn't appropriate.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/government-to-take-action-on-dog-poo-in-trees <

You lot seem to see issues way beyond what I see, never seen it as bad as some of you describe.

You're lucky then, every walk round here, there's probably 50 bags easily visible.

My philosophy is all you dog owners are to blame

What, EVERY dog owner?

Nob.

Although I do often feel like printing some A4 posters off & laminating them saying, 'Does whoever this crap parcel belong to actually think the Dogshit Fairy comes round every night & clears this shite up? Cos she doesn't, there's no such thing as a Dogshit Fairy (unlike the Tooth Fairy, which is real) So Dear ignorant Shite for brains, take your mutts crap away from here & dispose of it in a non childish manner.'

Or words to that effect.

Seems the forestry commission are fed up with the bags too;

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/dog-owners-urged-use-stick-flick-method-instead-poo-bags/ ]Stick and Flick - Forestry Commission have a poem[/url]

1,000 tons of dog-poo a day 😯

Drac - Moderator
You lot seem to see issues way beyond what I see, never seen it as bad as some of you describe.

some dog owners appear to have the co ordination of a dead frog and be unable to deposit a bag of doggy plops into a bin, through the rather large orifice in the front or back, and to think this location after dark is a doggers visiting place, hope they have better luck selecting the correct orifice then.

i agree with op 100 %. i clearly cannot get the logic that must be in some people's heads. you got to wonder who you share oxygen with these days. people are just dicks.

I blame brexit

I blame the absence of natural selection for poo bags in trees and poo nazis and brexit.

I think shooting dog owners is the only way to go. As someone above mentioned, sniper rifle squad in the bushes.

Leave a dog poo bag on a tree and you are taken out of the gene pool. Less dog shit in the countryside and fewer people who lack common sense breeding.

Win-win.

My philosophy is all you dog owners are to blame
What, EVERY dog owner?

Nob.

This is the point of my impotent ranting. I KNOW that not all dog owners are to blame, some of my mates have dogs and they'd never dream of such activities.

However, I've lost the ability to see rationally on the subject, it's SO disgusting, SO unnneccessary and it's becoming normal now.

Those of us without dogs but with the constant joy of picking shit out of our kids shoes are asking these responsible owners if theyve got a f-ing clue how to stop the seemingly incessant tide?

Why bring kids into it, just a question... I mean why should I give a fk more about your kids than I do about you?

So yes, we all agree dog shit is not nice, there is a long list of stuff that is not nice, you can either make that list and start at the top shooting everyone and everything you dont like or find solutions that work.

(or go online ranting with the occasional capital letter)

Shooting people? What now?

Finding solutions? That's what I'm asking dog owners, what is the solution?

Exactly what have I said that's riled you? Seriously, is anything in any of my posts unreasonable?

Why kids? Why not? I've got two, today my two year old ended up smeared in dog shit, should I not mention it?

There needs to be a deterrent. Bring back the dog license + mandatory dog micro chipping. Record the DNA of every dog (paid from the high tax). If a tree hanger is found the authorities analyse the poo and the offending owner has one warning, then second offence and their dog is euthanaised.
Won't go down well with the liberals.

Anyone caught leaving dog mess, bagged or not, whatever the excuse, should have their dog destroyed (humanely, of course).

That introduced, and a blitz of enforcement would focus a few minds.

What do dog owners who do this think would stop them doing it?

I'm not dogist [i]I KNOW that not all dog owners are to blame, some of my mates have dogs [/i] 😆

Great attitude Wilbert - the world would be a better place if it was filled with people like you.

the toxocariasis parasite in dog shite is responsible for a number of kids losing their sight in one or more eye every year, but I guess you don't give a fk about that either.

Ok, you can have this one on me:

Dog licencing- good idea.
Education- when to pick and when flick.
Bins- more of them and the taxes to pay for them.

That'll fix it, all you have to do ask which mp or councilor to support those actions, then vote for them.

Whining on a bike forum isnt going to fix the problem. .

I'm surprised that no ones driven past these reprobates in a tractor with the silage spreader on full whack

What's a silage spreader?

Come to think of it, I blame the (ingenious) inventor of the poo bag. What happened before poo bags & have they made the UK a better place?

What's a silage spreader?

He's a city bwoy & doesn't know that sileage is food, not fertiliser. 😆

I used to use a cheap climbing chalk bag, works a treat, especially if you double bag using scented nappy bags.

Bins- more of them and the taxes to pay for them.

Our village has recently gained several unsightly bright red dog shit bins. If the neighbouring village is anything to go by then come the summer they'll stink and be festooned with bags that people can't actually manage to get into the bins or have bags piled on top because as soon as one person leaves one there everyone else avoids moving them to put theirs in. Why do we need these? If it's your dog, take its shit home with you.

Youre not realy this stupid are you?

Why do we need any public infrastructure?

...Won't go down well with the liberals.

Liberals get tarred with all sorts of brushes.

I'm a liberal, I favour the sniper-in-the-bushes approach.

Every now and then the peace of the great outdoors would be pierced by an echoing K'kowwwww! of a rifle shot making the world a better place.

As for the dog, we'll happily take in a terrier or two.

Oddly people do what they're told to some degree. At least the minimum possible.

They've been told to bag up dog poo. So they bag up dog poo. Then the rest of their responsibility is too much hassle, so in the tree or side of the path it goes.

They're not going to change no matter how much you insist.

Not sure then if flicking it in the bushes is better. It's certainly way better to not have plastic bags in the environment, but for riders off the path, kids playing or, in the case of MOD land the army crawling through the undergrowth, it's literally shit and a danger to health.

Youre not realy this stupid are you?

No but thanks for asking, poor points for grammar and spelling.

Interesting that all the general litter bins have gone, like the ones that could be used for the hypothetical litter left by cyclists, but we still manage to pay for dog shit bins out of public money. Strange world we live in.

I've been given the "but I'm going to pick it up on the way back" story.

This is not actually true. They don't.

When dog walkers say this, I think you're quite within your rights to say that they're lying.

So I will have to pay more tax to cover dog shit bins and pay the men to empty them, replace them when they get vandalised etc because some dog owners cannot face the public humility of walking round with a bag of warm dog turds. Sound fair to you?
Much easier , fine them for littering. In that London you get an £80 on the spot fine for throwing a cigarette end on the floor. In a city , not an AOONB or National Park. Revenue generating and , maybe over a decade , change in attitude toward dog turd tree decorations.

[quote=singletrackmind said] In that London you get an £80 on the spot fine for throwing a cigarette end on the floor.

Judging by the amount of ciggy ends I see on the floor from my short daily walk from Bank to Liverpool St, it's not an effective deterrent.

We all pay for public services we may not use ourselves.

This thread is a perfect example of the dim witted thinking that leads(no pun) to this situation.

I say kick the occasional bit in to the undergrowth and what do we get..? A load nonsence about toddlers and soldiers ffs. I also clearly said "assess each specific area" to make a choice if its the right thing to do but that part of the suggestion is either too complex for some wombles or they just ignore so they can have a rant.
So you can either have your social media rants to no effect whatsoever or you can:
Put a few bins in areas were its a problem.
Educate people on when its ok to flick.
That would get rid of the problem and you can find something else to moan about.

You need to move to a better area.

My local parks even provide free poo bags, I rarely if ever, see a discarded bag or dog shit. It is Tunbridge Wells Council though.

One of the largest Tory majorities on the Country and voted against Brexit. So I blame Brexit and Labour voters for leaving their dog shit behind.

Judging by the amount of ciggy ends I see on the floor from my short daily walk from Bank to Liverpool St, it's not an effective deterrent.

Hate to tie this to a more serious thread but it is similar to the Aldershot drink driving [s]murderer[/s] soldier; punishment is one thing but for a deterrent to work there also has to be a likelihood of being caught.

Trouble with society today is that people are thinking 'how can I get away with this?' / 'Can I get away with this?' instead of taking responsibility in the first place. So the rest of us with a higher moral conscience need to stand up to it.

If someone leaves it lying there, tell them to pick it up. If they bag and drop, ask them not to. If they refuse, call it in and describe them / dog to the council. It's not acceptable and to let them do it makes you in a small part complicit.

As for drink driving - £500 reward for anyone supplying information leading to an arrest. I wouldn't allow a mate to drive me when drunk, and if he then insisted on driving anyway I'd happily grass him up if I can't talk prevent him driving by other means. Make it so that equation of 'Will I get away with this?' becomes a lot trickier, knowing that your number plate may now be on every police car in the area's computer screen.

Morning Wilburt
8)

Lovely day down south, I'll have to pop out for a walk with the kids. 😉

I'm actually not against kicking the odd bit into the undergrowth if that's the alternative, makes sense to me.

As you've said, public services benefit all people, maybe not you directly, so perhaps you can concede that just because you don't have a child it is an issue for toddlers to repeatedly get covered in dog shit?

I tend to stick to actual practical actions to help causes I believe in, I think this is my first social* media rant so I hope you can forgive me...

A load nonsence about toddlers and soldiers ffs. I also clearly said "assess each specific area" to make a choice if its the right thing to do but that part of the suggestion is either too complex for some wombles or they just ignore so they can have a rant.

@wilbur

Neither too complex nor ignored. In fact I think you've 'ignored' my counter to it (although as it was in a linked thread you may just not have clicked through). So here it is in full c&p glory:

[i]It's not that simple - plenty of dog walking areas are not woodland but for example open grassland where just because it's not on a path doesn't mean it won't get stood on. Plus kids like to play in woodland, hide and seek in bushes, and so on. Just cos' it's out of sight doesn't make the problem go away.

A second aspect is that some areas have highly specific and fragile soil ecologies, and the high N and P contents of dog waste change that balance. Additionally, residual levels of eg worming or flea treatments can be sufficient to kill invertebrates or lizards that feed on it.

FRP.ORG.UK "http://www.frp.org.uk/pdf/frp/2_Acid_grassland_July_2004.pdf"

Lastly - military areas are blighted by this, where owners kick their dogshit into a bush only for some poor soldier to then dive on it and spend the next 3 days covered in dog mess.

I know not all areas are susceptible to all these situations, but having different rules for different areas causes confusion and where that exists, excuses. The rule should be simple, if you have a dog you clear up after it and you deal with it until it's in a bin. Leaving a bag 'to collect later' should carry the same penalty as not picking it up.[/i]

Bagging and binning is never wrong; allowing people to make judgement just adds another layer of excuse (I didn't realise you had to pick up here / I never saw the signs..... etc.) If people can't do the basics now, don't make it more complex by adding a decision too 🙂

Bagging and binning is never wrong; allowing people to make judgement just adds another layer of excuse (I didn't realise you had to pick up here / I never saw the signs..... etc.) If people can't do the basics now, don't make it more complex by adding a decision too

This.

Offending owners should be compelled at gunpoint to put their dogs into a woodchipper. Followed by said owners. Who would miss them?