I bet if you went through the week and just made sure you front loaded the day and then had very little to eat for your evening meal you would lose a similar amount of weight.
You could, but in my experience it is easier to be disciplined eating later in the day. There is an article here about cortisol levels, insulin and blood sugar, that suggests why it is easier to skip breakfast.
http://www.leangains.com/2012/06/why-does-breakfast-make-me-hungry.html
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Weeksy how are your energy levels for training on your fasting days? I've been thinking of giving this a try but thought I might have to make my fasting days co-incide with rest days
I've not noticed any downsides mate, i've been training Mon-Fri anyway so it's hard to asses as my body is pretty damn tired anyway depending on what i've done the day/2 days before hand. I've been trying different training at times too, so not really set myself any specific training times as i've done in the past.
I'm down with a bit of a snotty nose at the moment, my lad and the wife also have it (i don't think it's related to the fasting in any way) But if i get in the gym on Monday i'll try a 1 hour static cycle as i know what my distance should be on the machine in work to be at 100%.
It's weird but i have noticed that i was just as hungry if not more so this morning than on a day after fasting day... which is perculiar lol
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Dieting = weight control for lazy people.Go on then wonderboy, tell me how i'm lazy. I do 1 hr's cardio 5 days a week and 3-4 hours at the weekend. I train hard, ride hard. I can be found doing 12 hour enduro events... but i'm lazy ?
Ooops, sorry if that's a sore point, but I've never rarely found the need for dieting in the general sense of the word. Wonderboy? Hardly.
My job is sedentary - can't avoid that, that's how I pay the bills.
So I avoid the bad foods - fatty sugary carby. Eat things that are coloured differently. And have portion sizes that are in ratio to the size of me. Don't drink much, a bottle of wine/couple of beers a week. Certainly never eaten according to any plan.
Hit the gym for an hour of high intensity cardio every day, when at work (7 days weeks for 3 weeks at a stretch). When home on leave I'm rarely sat down during the day - a generally busy bee.
I'm 43, 1.78m and about 76Kg, +- a couple. Works for me. All in all - calories in = calories out.
Sorry if my little joke was misconstrued. Maybe one of these 😉 should have been used.
So I avoid the bad foods - fatty sugary carby. Eat things that are coloured differently. And have portion sizes that are in ratio to the size of me.
Maybe that's easier for you that it is for some, myself included. That makes me weak willed, not lazy.
p.s I'm not hurt or offended, honestly. 🙂
About the breakfast thing above, I now do no-breakfast. Really works for me, allows me to avoid needing carbs for exercise. For instance, I did the MK sportive yesterday (100k) before eating.
you did a 100k sportive fasted?? thats impressive 🙂
I'm 43, 1.78m and about 76Kg, +- a couple.
Anyone my height but more than 10kg heavier than my isn't allowed to post on my non-biffer thread 🙂
About the breakfast thing above, I now do no-breakfast. Really works for me, allows me to avoid needing carbs for exercise. For instance, I did the MK sportive yesterday (100k) before eating.
You'd still be using carbs for exercise, just not the ones you didnt eat for breakfast.
I have nothing but coffee before a morning ride and nothing but water for the first hour, then just top up with diluted apple juice and mini pork pies (one per hour).
but in my experience it is easier to be disciplined eating later in the day. There is an article here about cortisol levels, insulin and blood sugar, that suggests why it is easier to skip breakfast.
It says 'some people'.
Without my bowl of cereal I am starving later on and have the risk of grazing before lunch (However I do sometimes think that the milk content (blue top) has something to do with this).
Other studies have shown that missing breakfast, or not having breakfast until you get to work, leads to increased stress levels which, as that article points out, are not good for you.
After looking at one of the articles I am going to give the 16hrs off 8 hrs on a go. Eat between 4 and 10. I have always found it difficult to eat in the morning and have had to force breakfast down with the constant sound in my ears of 'it's the most important meal of the day'.
Problem is I then am hungry by about 11 and looking to eat. Also I find it hard to have my last meal at 5.30
If I shift my whole eating to times where I am actually hungry then I might be able to cut back on some calories.
Will be giving it a go for the next moth and see how it goes.
No doubt the first week will be tough until I get adjusted.
Other studies have shown that missing breakfast, or not having breakfast until you get to work, leads to increased stress levels which, as that article points out, are not good for you.
Yep everyone reacts very differently to their food, one of the keys to that 8-16 pattern is picking the right 8 hour window for you. I find 12-8 about right but I have never been fussed on breakfast or on snacking in the morning.
I have been using this fasting method now for 3 months and it works well for me, never been fat but had a belly i just could not get rid of,
This has done the trick for me but i have tailored it to suit my needs, i eat normally for 3 days then fast for a day eat normally for 3 days and so on.
I was doing 2 days out of 7 but i found i lost too much weight as I do a fair bit on the bike which sometimes involves a 40 mile commute.
Pre ride routine has chaged slightly with the addition of strong coffee, a shot of beartoot juice and a slice of jam on toast.
Works really well for me but you have to be really strict with yourself and make sure you add your calories correctly.
Shandy how long have you been doing the 16-8 thing? How have you found it.
I tried this. I fasted (ate 500 calories) one day and then the day after went for a ride and nearly collapsed. I was exhausted.
I decided to stop after this...
If others are getting on OK with it then maybe I could give it another go. Perhaps the exhaustion was caused by something else (the fast seemed the obvious thing to blame it on)...
Shandy how long have you been doing the 16-8 thing? How have you found it.
About 3 months. I've lost about 10lbs, I don't really want to lose much more. As long as I eat clean, I can pretty much have whatever I fancy in that 8 hour window. The weight seems to stay off well with the odd slip-up or big night out.
Basically it has got rid of a half-stone I have never been able to shift without doing 12-15 hours training a week, and always seemed to ut straight back on. I think half of it is eating very little processed food and the other half is the 8-16 pattern.
I don't do the extreme days as I haven't needed to and if I am doing a long ride I just move the window a bit and start eating an hour in. After a big recovery meal I'm never hungry later anyway.
I am a bit worried about how I get on with my longer road rides, doing a 50 tomorrow and usually do 80 mile ride at the weekend. I am hoping that what I have eaten over the past couple of hours will see my through but not sure, I guess it's just a case of suck it and see. Might take a few slices of malt loaf just in case I am going to collapse.
weeksy - Member"So I avoid the bad foods - fatty sugary carby. Eat things that are coloured differently. And have portion sizes that are in ratio to the size of me."
Maybe that's easier for you that it is for some, myself included. That makes me weak willed, not lazy.
Weeksy - I have to be honest with you, no amount of will power can get me past a good cake without damage 😯
I've been doing the 2/5 Diet for 6 weeks now and lost 14lb (Sounds a lot more than 1 stone). Started with a Friday fast, next day i the local club run for the first time and didnt have any energy. Now do Tuesday and Thursday, so got Friday to replenish. I have very little will power so on the off days, I drink coke!! and quite a lot of other crap. Exercise: Monday to Friday is a 10 miles total, hilly commute and Saturday has been a 40mile hilly road ride. I've never dieted before, but have tried to cut back but it never's lasts longer than a couple of days.
FWIW i'm on a fasting day today and whilst my training is fairly early on in the day at 10.40 start, i never had any drop in performance on any of the exercises.
Must admit, the orange and low fat jelly for lunch wasn't exaclty filling 😉
I have tried this but doing one day of zero food a week, I picked Wednesday’s for some reason. It is hard going but completely different to dieting as it does not have a relentless grind to it. You know it is one day and if you get through it you can feel better about the rest of the week. I have not been 100% successful in that I had a cold and just thought I can’t do it and that lased 2 weeks. Back on it now and every day I have gone for it I have done it.
It also gives you a different perspective on food, if you can cope with no food it is very easy to then start to question what and how much you eat at other times. Best thing I have ever done in terms of moderating my diet.
...a shot of beartoot
Sounds intriguing...
Last night was for some reason by FAR the easiest fasting day. I don't know if my body is getting more used to it ?
Well done, keep it up. 🙂
Your fast day sounds like a 'normal' day for me. Dont have any issues with training ( mainly running for me)
Your fast day sounds like a 'normal' day for me. Dont have any issues with training ( mainly running for me)
Hence why i'm a lot fatter than you i bet 🙂
Last night was for some reason by FAR the easiest fasting day. I don't know if my body is getting more used to it ?
I wonder if adaption will occur after a while, and the effects will slow down/plateau.
Tis a good Qn mate. OBviously with this diet (is it actually a diet ? i dunno you know) there are massive peaks and troughs, both in weight and i guess energy etc. So on a Friday morning, i'll have had 2 hour of the last 4 days on 'fasting' so i'd expect the weight to be stupidly low. However, is that a real representation of current weight.,.. not likely is the answer. So when is the 'real' wieght, to gauge weight loss, i dunno, the day before fasting ? Couple of days after ? i've pretty much chosen it to be Sat mornings as my weigh in day... but sometimes i do get on the scales on a Friday for a bit of an ego boost 🙂
Weeksy I'm 43kg ( weighed this morning) bout average for me
lol i'm 2 of you 😉
I'm two and a bit 🙁
For about 7 weeks I was doing 18 hours without anything other than coffee and 6 hours eating- a salad before my ride and then proper food afterwards. I was doing about 12 hrs riding over the 5 week days. Then on the weekend I would at pretty normally and ride fully fuelled- maybe 100 miles one day and 60 on the other. I dropped 5 kilos the interesting thing for me was the great effect it had on my riding. I was messing about as I had given up on the season after a broken bone and was hoping to lose the weight, but was not bothered about performance or even burn out as I knew I would have a good rest in Oct anyway. My weekday rides were fine- I was riding endurance speed and 50-70 miles on the (very)flat roads. Then my fuelled rides I was going great, endurance coming out of my ears. I did 120 solo lumpy miles at over 19mph average and felt ok. I did a proper 145 mile killer route and was really strong for a 90 mile ride the next day. This seemed like a real improvement in my mile munching performance and it allowed me to lots of threshhold efforts in a ride and recover well.
Essentially I think for me there is some value in doing some training fairly unfuelled and it kind of fits in with the fasting thing. Anyway I found it suprising so I thought I would share
So, assuming I don't fancy the 16/8 thing, is there any value in 13/11, i/e. I finish eating dinner at about half seven and eat nothing else that evening, get up at half six, have a coffee but not eat breakfast until about half eight?
Ideally, on a couple of mornings I'll have a three quarter of an hour ride after I get up (pre-breakfast).
I think anything that lowers your calorie intake over a given week/month will be of benefit... to an extent.
Bviously with this diet there are massive peaks and troughs, both in weight and i guess energy etc.
You shouldn't have big peaks or troughs of energy. Your body releases energy from fat stores when it doesn't get energy from food; it's what they're for.
That's been the biggest change I've found doing the iDiet. Previously, I'd have a huge bowl of breakfast cereal, then be starving/tired by mid-morning and so have a chocolate bar or bit of cake, then be starving by lunchtime, etc.
Despite never getting fat, I felt crappy. Now, I can happily skip breakfast before a ride and never feel the need to snack between meals.
Weeksy I'm 43kg ( weighed this morning) bout average for me
I'm 1.5 Emsz.
...but Emsz is basically a pixie, and only eats leaves.
Despite never getting fat, I felt crappy.
Cry me a river, Mike 😛
Cry me a river, Mike
To paraphrase the great frog, it's not easy being lean.
I started something like this about 2 months ago; 3 days a week I only eat an evening meal, usually a chicken salad, and don't drink alcohol, the rest of the time I'm my usual gluttonous self (although my appetite has definitely diminished).
Total weight loss so far = just under 2 stone. It's the easiest form of dieting I've ever done and it works. Unlike previous low carb / high protein diets I've tried I haven't once felt ill and once I got used to being hungry it wasn't a big deal.
Edit: Going out and buying a load of new clothes yesterday made me feel great - for the first time in 20 years I am in size 34" jeans!
Congrats 🙂 good work, impressed.
Well done RJ, I'd like to try this, but I dont know if I could skip brekkie and lunch for 3 days!. I'd be bloody ravenous.
I managed to get to 20 hours then scoffed the fish I'd got for tea...first day fasting,ill do it again on Thursday...just had water/coffee and my vitamins all day...it's tough but I reckon I can do it twice a week...off the bike at the mo so hopefully it'll keep the lard off
Update, just weighed and I'm 12st 4lbs, the lightest I have been for a very very long time. Also doing a light set of weights every other day and I can see the tone appearing. My mojo is back, lock up your daughters 🙂
Update here too. This weekend i ate EVERYTHING... it was my birthday you see. 41. I had 4 decent slices of chocolate caterpillar cake, TGI Frdays for tea, PIzza, cookies and a trip to the pub (no beer, but bad bad food)
The net result mid-week this week is a loss of 1 lb.
This could well be the perfect 'diet' for me
currently trying the 2 day a week fasting diet .
First week was hard , fasting on a monday and wednesday .
This week a lot easier .
Dont weight myself , so no idea if lost weight , but felt good .
I'm not really fasting, more just skipping meals.
Today was a small breakfast, no lunch for example.
Still eating the same in the evenings, but I go easy on spuds, rice or bread. And no booze on school nights. Usually. 😉
Have lost 3kg since I last weighed myself about 2 weeks ago.
I read this thread when the o.p first posted around two weeks ago. My "normal" weight is around 15st10 but ideally I'd like to take a stone off that. I've dabbled on and off with the iDave/4hb plan but like the o.p I'm weak and tend to lapse after a few weeks. Plus it doesnt really suit to be eating different meals to the rest of the family all of the time.
I decided to give the I.F thing a whirl, pretty much as the o.p has described and so far, so good. I vary my fasting days to fit round my shifts (basically I find it much easier to fit the fasting in around a late shift) and I've lost almost half a stone and that's while suffering a heavy cold and therefore not exercising at all for the last week.
In a perverse kind of way I've actually started looking forward to the fasting days too!
