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So people don't like it that 2 blokes are having a go in a very difficult industry that has all but died in this country. They also seem not to like the fact that they look to be succeeding by offering goods made in the North of England to a high standard with a lifetime guarantee. They are also probably pissed off with the fact that they are providing people with employment.
Sounds like jealousy to me.
That seems to be willfully missing the point.
Company launches off a certain heritage.
Company, once established, may possibly, or not, have moved away from that original ethos.
Buns get thrown.
Jamie, I'm just adding to the wild speculation 😆
Just don't like the double standards.
Like conflating "user" and "moderator"?
Let's be honest, it's not even close to similar really is it.
Jamie, I'm just adding to the wild speculation
Of course you would say that....what with that thing I've heard you do at nights.
Que ?
You chopped the crucial part of my post something you like to do with others.
Anyway my supper has arrived so I'll let carry on.
What's happening here, at lunchtime the thread was closed and was going to be deleted in 20 minutes (from then)? Trouser manufacturing must be a key part of mountain bike riding, not that I've spotted the reason why quite yet.
I'm not keen on people using social media (this place) for self promotion but then, when there's an issue that could be easily clarified with an explanation, they are no-where to be seen.
I have used up all my seams, and I'm helpless and bereaved.
I'm sure something will turn-up.
What's happening here, at lunchtime the thread was closed and was going to be deleted in 20 minutes
Different thread.
Trouser manufacturing must be a key part of mountain bike riding, not that I've spotted the reason why quite yet.
We've all panted up hills.
Jamie - Member
Jamie, I'm just adding to the wild speculation
Of course you would say that....what with that thing I've heard you do at nights.
Trouser smuggling across the county line you mean? Doh! I've been rumbled!
Personally I'd be concerned about a smear campaign regarding a company spread across STW which could possibly destroy the livelihood of a company based on a loose grasp of 'facts' though.
Superstar Components? On One/Planet X?
We've all panted up hills.
Very good, amazing what can turn up.
Superstar Components? On One/Planet X?
All of whom are now out of business of course.
As I said just now, "It's ok to speculate period. It's offering speculation as fact which is problematic." The same is true of opinion.
Saying you think a company is shit is fine. Saying you'd had a bad experience with a company / product is fine. Satire is fine (you'll note that most of the joke threads are still live, up until the point where it became ****ing tedious and taking up a quarter of the front page anyway).
Positing statements as fact which may or may not be untrue opens up STW to potential harm.
It's really that simple. I believe my views on censorship are well documented elsewhere on the forum.
So people don't like it that 2 blokes are having a go in a very difficult industry that has all but died in this country. They also seem not to like the fact that they look to be succeeding by offering goods made in the North of England to a high standard with a lifetime guarantee. They are also probably pissed off with the fact that they are providing people with employment.
Sounds like jealousy to me.
It's not entirely dissimilar to finding out Innocent own Coke, with their cheeky "right on" marketing, having thought you were supporing something small and local/national, or that Classy and Green Pret are owned by McDonalds. Its when marketing doesn't meet reality and the consumer finds out they've effectively been lied to. And that goes for any organisation, its not a go at anyone specific, - but that advice is Para 1 of any marketing book.
If the usp is made in "Trouser town", and then they're not, and the marketing is how honest and right on the owners of any brand are, when they appear shady, and talk about their fantastic designs, when it appeared the original was a "borrowed" design that had nothing to do with them, then the point of spending 4x the average spend of a product as a premium segment product(as you're buying into that brand) has largely disappeared. And if you got to that point, whoever is right or wrong, whether its the owners of the company, or suppliers complaint, is totally irrelevant, the brand is damaged in social media backlash.
And when the guys who basically grabbed all that "free consultancy" appear to have been taking the piss? Well, tell you what, design me a great bike. We'll call it "Brand's X' flyer" (as I'm not naming anyone or speculating about anyone here specifically) Then I'll get it built by Orange. And I won't pay for the design. But I'll be really grateful for the freebee.
It's not so dissimilar to that internet joke page about the guy who gets asked for a free logo or the missing cat posters, except thats comedy, not peoples jobs.
The worst thing is the apparent "silence". That's what organisations who get caught out, like Starbucks over tax and every other corporate disaster, instinctively do, and that way is usually the most damaging to any business.
Any organisation needs to be pro active in managing their Social Media PR or they're ultimately doomed to fail.
It's not entirely dissimilar to finding out Innocent own Coke
It's not entirely dissimilar to thinking Innocent own Coke and then hitting the Internet telling everyone that they do.
I totally agree with everything you've just said, if it were true. But to the best of my understanding based on very limited information, [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/hebden-bridge-trouser-company/page/16#post-8540078 ]it's not true[/url], and that's the problem.
But to the best of my understanding based on very limited information, it's not true
Speculation, then?
Innocent own coke?
They are doing well.
Speculation, then?
That's speculation on your part. I have limited information but it's still more than you have.
Is the situation not as described in the FB post by the MD guy from Shorties then ?
You're seeing now a veteran of a thousand trouser wars,
My energy is spent at last, and my trousers are destroyed,
I have used up all my seams, and I'm helpless and bereaved.
Forsooth i am dead,
But my trousers remain red
I have limited information but it's still more than you have
Are you saying the factory guys take on events is an untruth?
I think what Cougar is saying, as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Is the situation not as described in the FB post by the MD guy from Shorties then ?
Are you saying the factory guys take on events is an untruth?
I'm saying it's one side of a story. I've no idea whether it's partially or wholly true or not. (Moreover, nor does anyone else here at this point, but yet they're all too quick to reach for pitchforks.) I've explained what I currently believe to be the case in an earlier post, but again I've no way of verifying that.
I think what Cougar is saying, as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
I'm not sure about that.
I'm saying it's one side of a story. I've no idea whether it's partially or wholly true or not. (Moreover, nor does anyone else here at this point, but yet they're all too quick to reach for pitchforks.) I've explained what I currently believe to be the case in an earlier post, but again I've no way of verifying that.
Nothing stopping Brant or Ed coming on here or other social media channels to set the story straight is there? The silence is deafening, although they've been in touch with STW and thereby had adequate chance to reply. Historically they've always been fairly keen to engage through SM when there has been a chance to promote their brands, so there's a definite element of 'live by the sword, die by the sword' in choosing to now go silent.
18 pages in one day about a trouser company? Is this peak STW? Is it all downhill from here?
Edit- now I see it's an old thread resurrected! Never mind, it's still an argument about a trouser company! 🙂
one day
😀
To me it sounds like a breakdown in communications and the guy in factiry A with the grievance wasn't getting any response through his traditional communication channels so he went to SM with it like anyone else would. It was a well written and humorous account of his side of the story but we have no idea of the other side of the story. If they were expensive or can only do moleskin, if Corderoy just isn't their thing and cord is where it's at right now I can completely see why HebTroCo couldn't use them for their range expansion. It could be that the new factory that does do that stuff threw in the moleskin as part of the deal and so HTC just went for it without considering the impact on Company A. God knows they've got enough stuff on with the new range of leather goods and no doubt more.
I have to say I feel for factory A and HTC probably could have played this better but I'm not sure that this is (yet) worthy of a witch hunt.
This is pure speculation but it looks to me that HEBTROCO have grown quickly and moved to new larger premises to help meet the increasing demand for their troosers rather than the original factory where they started which appeared on their videos.Which is good news for a growing business but seems like it has caused a disagreement between Richard and the girls and HEBTROCO hence his FB post.
I get my trousers from Tesco so what do I know?
wonder what he will do if they build a factory of their own in hebden?
Have shorties shut down the contents of their Facebook page? No posts at all on it.
Apparently Brant changed the design every 6 months and the factory tooling couldn't make the latest troosers any longer, lower or slacker.
All this for hipster trousers 🙄
Its possible to follow the Google link on page 17 which gives links to the original facebook posts.
Nothing stopping Brant or Ed coming on here or other social media channels to set the story straight is there? The silence is deafening,
I don't disagree there. Unless there's a reason we're not privy to, at any rate.
To be fair. Brant is quite shy when it comes to social media and communicating with the public.
It's like reading code this thread.
I bought two pair of their trousers as I like the product and want to support a UK based business.
Like in life and especially in business things change along the way. Gassing like washer women serves no purpose especially if you've not purchased any trousers from them.
It's a business trying to do something incredibly difficult probably not making loads of money.
There's something odd about people's expectation of how a business should or shouldn't act on the internet. You have consumer choice to figure out what you want to do.
We could aim our vitriol at other stuff less worthy I'm sure.
Just posting to register my disinterest in this topic.
Does seem that what the Hebden Hipsters might, allegedly, have done isn't unknown.
Anyone want some expensive Italian (mostly made in Romania) shoes to go with those expensive Hebden Bridge (possibly, or possibly not) trousers?
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HTC probably could have played this better but I'm not sure that this is (yet) worthy of a witch hunt.
They could have played it better, that's true.
Rather than official silence, just a quiet word to STW that the other thread was 'not nice'
Plus the subtle shift in the website's marketing direction doesn't look like a stenuous denial to me.
And I've never bought a pair. I'm not at the stage in my life where a pair of moleskin trews is the next thing I can't live without.
It's offering speculation as fact which is problematic." The same is true of opinion.
Seems to work for Jamba*
*crossing the streams but it holds true.
No idea what is going on in trousertown.
CaptainFlashheart - MemberYou're seeing now a veteran of a thousand trouser wars,
My energy is spent at last, and my trousers are destroyed,
Let us know how your warranty claim pans out.
Just read the cached thread.
I can see why people are a bit irate on both sides of this issue.
Totally mercenary of me though,I care massively more about STW than the potential issue discussed in that thread.
So having declared my mercenary values I would stw give the Mods a break to be honest. Also their reason for locking the other thread.
Just my opinion. 😀
So are they made in Hebden or not?
After reading all the "can't prove nuffin" posts on here I'm not now convinced that Hebden Bridge is a real place.
I'm now fairly sure it's twinned with Camberwick Green and Royston Vasey
Royston vasey trouser company......... Hand delivered by Barbara Dixon