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I knew he should have called it Brant's Pants.
I was in Hebden yesterday and knocked over Ed's trouser bike by accident. Is this libellous?
whos Sue?
Louise's sister
Alice Pickering !!Gary_M - MemberAlice?
If it turns out they still are what then?
Just to satiate the rumour mill:
As far as I'm aware they are, all of the moleskin trousers sold or currently held in stock have been produced in Hebden. Other factories may or may not be producing other products for them elsewhere in the North West, but the moleskins in question aren't currently in production in Hebden, China or anywhere else for that matter because no-one buys moleskin kecks in bloody June.
(This is AIUI and not a statement of fact, I do not have full visibility of both sides of the argument.)
I suspect that Arkell v Pressdram may be mentioned.
That's a very real possibility when you get sued; despite being in the right.
Libel proceedings are probably the only thing likely to be more expensive than the troos.
Hebden is in West Yorkshire, the best of the Yorkshires. When did Lancashire get involved? This seam needs more mining in order to unravel the thread of conspiracy and zip this up for good
So it might be that the last order Pickles delivered in April has lasted through May and June as the UK has had temperatures in the 20s most of the time. Yet some how this is Brant and Ed's fault.
York Short Co. .
Have you seen their promotional video? The providence is important because they're using that providence specifically as the main selling point of the trousers, and the brand, and to justify the high prices they're charging.
You mean provenance not providence - unless you think God is somehow involved in all this. You should be sued for semantic randomness... by God. Or maybe STW should. 🙄
Looks like they've got Drac in their pocket.
It's all a bit of a stitch-up, eh?
😛
Hebden Bridge-ish Trouser Company?
Hebden is in West Yorkshire, the best of the Yorkshires. When did Lancashire get involved?
Sorry, that was a braino on my part. The point I was making was that AFAIK they're still a local company for local people and haven't sold their soul to Seoul or anything.
I live in East Lancashire so West Yorkshire isn't a million miles away, I forget exactly where the border lies unless I'm paying attention. I've edited the post now (so this will make no sense).
So it might be that the last order Pickles delivered in April has lasted through May and June as the UK has had temperatures in the 20s most of the time. Yet some how this is Brant and Ed's fault.
On the deleted thread, Weren't you the one scoffing at anyone who was speculating without knowing the full facts of the matter ?
Look everyone Neal has arrived.
Why isn't Brant arriving?
Look everyone Neal has arrived.
So he doesn't make a valid point?
Yay or nay?
Maybe a bit early to jump to the belittling stage of arguing, tho.
Nay.
It was the pitch forks out without evidence I was questioning.
Look everyone Neal has arrived.
Grow up ffs. 🙄
I'll repeat the question. You seem to have missed it.
On the deleted thread, Weren't you the one scoffing at anyone who was speculating without knowing the full facts of the matter ?
Edit. Crossed posts.
It was the pitch forks out without evidence I was questioning.
So it's ok to speculate without evidence, as long as we agree with what you are speculating then ?
Insult the punters. Poor modding.
Sigh!!!
Argumentive as ever that's why I was so excited to see you.
No. My point was there's always two side to a story and still is.
Insult the punters. Poor modding.
🙄
You're on a roll Drac 🙂
Just don't like the double standards.
If it's not ok to speculate. And you are going to pull people up on it.
Probably best not to wait a few hours, and then start speculating yourself.
And also, if you are going to criticise people for being argumentative.
It's probably better if you don't ignore a valid point so you can jump straight to deliberately antagonising the "punter" who made it.
Drac - Moderator
Look everyone Neal has arrived
😆
You owe me one spilled pint
I've edited the post now (so this will make no sense).
That's okay Cougar it'll just fit in well with 99% of all other posts so we're both safe 🙂
What's occurring? Any chance of a summary?
Some bloke said
And them some other folks said
And basically someone is away with the fairies
But also someone else is on WGAS bro co
So Trousergate
And some photons got entangled or untangled
allthepies - Member
Insult the punters. Poor modding.
nealglover - Member
deliberately antagonising the "punter" who made it.
P is for Punter
What's occurring? Any chance of a summary?
Sure.
To Kill a Mockingbird takes place in Alabama during the Depression, and is narrated by the main character, a little girl named Jean Louise "Scout" Finch. Her father, Atticus Finch, is a lawyer with high moral standards. Scout, her brother Jem, and their friend Dill are intrigued by the local rumors about a man named Boo Radley, who lives in their neighborhood but never leaves his house. Legend has it that he once stabbed his father in the leg with a pair of scissors, and he is made out to be a kind of monster. Dill is from Mississippi but spends his summer in Maycomb at a house near the Finch's.
The children are curious to know more about Boo, and during one summer create a mini-drama they enact daily, which tells the events of his life as they know them. Slowly, the children begin moving closer to the Radley house, which is said to be haunted. They try leaving notes for Boo on his windowsill with a fishing pole, but are caught by Atticus, who firmly reprimands them for making fun of a sad man's life. Next, the children try sneaking over to the house at night and looking through its windows. Boo's brother, Nathan Radley, who lives in the house, thinks he hears a prowler and fires his gun. The children run away, but Jem loses his pants in a fence. When he returns in the middle of the night to get them back, they have been neatly folded and the tear from the fence roughly sewn up.
Other mysterious things happen to the Finch children. A certain tree near the Radley house has a hole in which little presents are often left for them, such as pennies, chewing gum, and soap carved figures of a little boy and girl who bear a striking resemblance to Scout and Jem. The children don't know where these gifts are coming from, and when they go to leave a note for the mystery giver, they find that Boo's brother has plugged up the hole with cement. The next winter brings unexpected cold and snow, and Miss Maudie's house catches on fire. While Jem and Scout, shivering, watch the blaze from near the Radley house, someone puts a blanket around Scout without her realizing it. Not until she returns home and Atticus asks her where the blanket came from does she realize that Boo Radley must have put it around her while she was entranced by watching Miss Maudie, her favorite neighbor, and her burning house.
Atticus decides to take on a case involving a black man named Tom Robinson who has been accused of raping a very poor white girl named Mayella Ewell, a member of the notorious Ewell family, who belong to the layer of Maycomb society that people refer to as "trash." The Finch family faces harsh criticism in the heavily racist Maycomb because of Atticus's decision to defend Tom. But, Atticus insists on going through with the case because his conscience could not let him do otherwise. He knows Tom is innocent, and also that he has almost no chance at being acquitted, because the white jury will never believe a black man over a white woman. Despite this, Atticus wants to reveal the truth to his fellow townspeople, expose their bigotry, and encourage them to imagine the possibility of racial equality.
Because Atticus is defending a black man, Scout and Jem find themselves whispered at and taunted, and have trouble keeping their tempers. At a family Christmas gathering, Scout beats up her cloying relative Francis when he accuses Atticus of ruining the family name by being a "****-lover". Jem cuts off the tops of an old neighbor's flower bushes after she derides Atticus, and as punishment, has to read out loud to her every day. Jem does not realize until after she dies that he is helping her break her morphine addiction. When revealing this to Jem and Scout, Atticus holds this old woman up as an example of true courage: the will to keep fighting even when you know you can't win.
The time for the trial draws closer, and Atticus's sister Alexandra comes to stay with the family. She is proper and old-fashioned and wants to shape Scout into the model of the Southern feminine ideal, much to Scout's resentment. Dill runs away from his home, where his mother and new father don't seem interested in him, and stays in Maycomb for the summer of Tom's trial. The night before the trial, Tom is moved into the county jail, and Atticus, fearing a possible lynching, stands guard outside the jail door all night. Jem is concerned about him, and the three children sneak into town to find him. A group of men arrive ready to cause some violence to Tom, and threaten Atticus in the process. At first Jem, Scout and Dill stand aside, but when she senses true danger, Scout runs out and begins to speak to one of the men, the father of one of her classmates in school. Her innocence brings the crowd out of their mob mentality, and they leave.
The trial pits the evidence of the white Ewell family against Tom's evidence. According to the Ewells, Mayella asked Tom to do some work for her while her father was out, and Tom came into their house and forcibly beat and raped Mayella until her father appeared and scared him away. Tom's version is that Mayella invited him inside, then threw her arms around him and began to kiss him. Tom tried to push her away. When Bob Ewell arrived, he flew into a rage and beat her, while Tom ran away in fright. According to the sheriff's testimony, Mayella's bruises were on the right side of her face, which means she was most likely punched with a left hand. Tom Robinson's left arm is useless due to an old accident, whereas Mr. Ewell leads with his left. Given the evidence of reasonable doubt, Tom should go free, but after hours of deliberation, the jury pronounces him guilty. Scout, Jem and Dill sneak into the courthouse to see the trial and sit in the balcony with Maycomb's black population. They are stunned at the verdict because to them, the evidence was so clearly in Tom's favor.
Though the verdict is unfortunate, Atticus feels some satisfaction that the jury took so long deciding. Usually, the decision would be made in minutes, because a black man's word would not be trusted. Atticus is hoping for an appeal, but unfortunately Tom tries to escape from his prison and is shot to death in the process. Jem has trouble handling the results of the trial, feeling that his trust in the goodness and rationality of humanity has been betrayed.
Meanwhile, Mr. Ewell threatens Atticus and other people connected with the trial because he feels he was humiliated. He gets his revenge one night while Jem and Scout are walking home from the Halloween play at their school. He follows them home in the dark, then runs at them and attempts to kill them with a large kitchen knife. Jem breaks his arm, and Scout, who is wearing a confining ham shaped wire costume and cannot see what is going on, is helpless throughout the attack. The elusive Boo Radley stabs Mr. Ewell and saves the children. Finally, Scout has a chance to meet the shy and nervous Boo. At the end of this fateful night, the sheriff declares that Mr. Ewell fell on his own knife so Boo, the hero of the situation, won't have to be tried for murder. Scout walks Boo home and imagines how he has viewed the town and observed her, Jem and Dill over the years from inside his home. Boo goes inside, closes the door, and she never sees him again.
On the deleted thread, Weren't you the one scoffing at anyone who was speculating without knowing the full facts of the matter ?o
Yes but it seems it's okay to speculate if it makes hebcotro look good.
Drac definitely seems to have taken this personally, it's almost as if he knows the people involved. That's pure speculation of course so feel free to fire some childish retort.
That should be written in B&W under a lot of ceiling fans whilst wearing denim dungarees..
Denim! Boom full circle
Denim! Boom full circle
Japanese Okinawa, White Oak Cone Mills from the US? Or the cheap stuff sewn in Turkey?
These things matter.
I buy a lot at TKMAX.
I can see a Kickstarter campaign
Drac definitely seems to have taken this personally, it's almost as if he knows the people involved. That's pure speculation of course so feel free to fire some childish retort.
I do know them that's no secret but that wasn't the reason I just get sick of people using social media for smear campaigns, people rallying the pitchforks and there only be one side to story.
Blimey you're still going on with the childish campaign.
I just get sick of people using social media for smear campaigns
And I agreed when you were telling people not to speculate without knowing the facts from both sides.
And I still do.
If it seems you don't anymore.
I buy a lot at TKMAX.
You're a monster!
If it seems you don't anymore.
Another misquote there Ernie. 🙄
Another misquote there Ernie
Que ?
Just don't like the double standards.
Like conflating "user" and "moderator"?
Yes but it seems it's okay to speculate if it makes hebcotro look good.
It's ok to speculate period. It's offering speculation as fact which is problematic.
It may come as a surprise to some, but the moderation team are volunteers. We have no vested interest beyond wanting the forum to succeed.
Personally I'd be concerned about a smear campaign regarding a company spread across STW which could possibly destroy the livelihood of a company based on a loose grasp of 'facts' though.
Any chance of a summary?
HebTroCo and their manufacturer have had a falling out. A potentially libellous thread was started and was closed by Mark with an explanation (TL;DR: he's protecting STW as a publisher). The userbase then took it upon themselves to create 37 threads about it.
What little I know I posted on the previous page [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/hebden-bridge-trouser-company/page/16#post-8540078 ]here[/url].
[i]Blimey you're still going on with the childish campaign.[/i]
Hardly a campaign, you made a childish comment to one of my posts which I noted and made childish comments to others. More an observation than campaign.
In the Short Trouser War of June 2017, not to be confused with the Shorttrouser War.
There was, as there is in so many unnecessary conflicts, some collateral damage and some PTSD and, in the words of an eye witness, a Mr Google
So people don't like it that 2 blokes are having a go in a very difficult industry that has all but died in this country. They also seem not to like the fact that they look to be succeeding by offering goods made in the North of England to a high standard with a lifetime guarantee. They are also probably pissed off with the fact that they are providing people with employment.
Sounds like jealousy to me.
You're seeing now a veteran of a thousand trouser wars,
My energy is spent at last, and my trousers are destroyed,
I have used up all my seams, and I'm helpless and bereaved.