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The silence from our Government......

Not complete silence :

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-from-the-leaders-of-the-united-kingdom-france-and-canada-on-the-situation-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank

We will not stand by while the Netanyahu Government pursues these egregious actions. If Israel does not cease the renewed military offensive and lift its restrictions on humanitarian aid, we will take further concrete actions in response.

We oppose any attempt to expand settlements in the West Bank. Israel must halt settlements which are illegal and undermine the viability of a Palestinian state and the security of both Israelis and Palestinians.  We will not hesitate to take further action, including targeted sanctions. 

However the UK Labour government was obviously lying to Israel, UK voters, and the rest of the world, when they released that statement back in May.

They were hesitating the moment they released the statement without actually announcing what concrete actions they intended taking.

Israel hasn't complied with any of those demands because apart from anything else they know full well that despite the fine rhetoric Starmer's government supports them one hundred percent and has absolutely no intentions whatsoever of taking any concrete actions to stop the mass murder of Palestinians.

Which is something worth remembering when election time comes round again. Why would anyone trust a politician to make a moral decision on their behalf in parliament when their moral compass doesn't include taking concrete action against a murderous genocidal regime?

 


 
Posted : 19/07/2025 7:49 pm
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Anyone see Nick Maynard (british surgeon in Gaza) on C4 news earlier?,

 

The phrase " ***** to the idf" I think is very apt and long overdue, if the idf soldiers can hand out daily scorecards detailing what body parts to hit on those seeking aid then it's about time the idf got what they deserve in return.

 

**** them, they deserve it


 
Posted : 19/07/2025 8:07 pm
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Israel hasn't complied with any of those demands

Well Israel has a long history of ignoring UN resolutions  - dozens of them. Why would anyone think they will start complying with "demands" now?


 
Posted : 19/07/2025 9:36 pm
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I'd like someone to sit Keir Starmer down and make him watch that sequence in Schindler's List where Ralph Fiennes is sniping at Jewish prisoners for sport.

Then ask him, "What exactly makes this so horrifying? Is it just the uniforms?"

Because honestly I can't see much of a difference between that and what the IDF are doing.


 
Posted : 19/07/2025 10:39 pm
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Pro-Palestinian terrorist unfurls a flag at the Royal Opera House shocker!

 

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1946815758748528746


 
Posted : 20/07/2025 9:45 am
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That looks like a kid drew it with crayons.


 
Posted : 20/07/2025 9:21 pm
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https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1946988213718970752/

 


 
Posted : 20/07/2025 9:46 pm
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The phrase " ***** to the idf" I think is very apt and long overdue, if the idf soldiers can hand out daily scorecards detailing what body parts to hit on those seeking aid then it's about time the idf got what they deserve in return.

 

Got any proof that this is IDF policy, not just some physcopathic reservists that are have a degree of justified hate after seeing what happened on October 7th?

Saw some footage yesterday of one of the Israeli female hostages being rapidly evacuated from an area being bombed, not by Hamas fighters but by a couple of civilians - one old and one young. Or were they proxy Hamas, like a large portion of the Gazans ?

How does that squew the casualty numbers then if a large number of them are combatants and another large poprtion of them are proxy Hamas?

Anyone on here notice that there is an actual genocide being attempted in a neighbouring country?


 
Posted : 21/07/2025 2:18 pm
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Your name is very apt


 
Posted : 21/07/2025 2:23 pm
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How much proof do you have that a large proportion are proxy Hamas? Are you aware that Hamas is the Government there and not proscribed as they are in Britain?

Do you perhaps think that if it was just psychopathic reservists that it would have been allowed to continue over the last few years, don’t you think that the Israeli Government, with god on their side anyway, would have stopped the murder?

As for proof, there are lots of reasons that the press are not allowed to observe.

Perhaps listen to Nick Maynard on the Today programme?


 
Posted : 21/07/2025 2:32 pm
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Got any proof that this is IDF policy, not just some physcopathic reservists that are have a degree of justified hate after seeing what happened on October 7th?

We know that IDF soldiers are committing war crimes not necessarily because they are individual psychopaths but because they have been ordered to commit war crimes.

And the evidence? Well the evidence is overwhelming although obviously zionists will always claim that any criticism is simply anti-semitism.

So let's maybe focus on some of the anti-semitism from Israel's oldest Jewish newspaper ;

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-05-27/ty-article-opinion/.premium/enough-is-enough-israel-is-committing-war-crimes/00000197-0dd6-df85-a197-0ff64a5c0000

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-15/ty-article/.premium/concentration-camp-illegal-orders-and-war-crimes-israels-madmen-have-a-grim-new-plan/00000198-0dac-d5b0-ab9f-6ded7b240000

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-12-23/ty-article-opinion/.premium/when-you-enter-gaza-you-are-god-inside-the-minds-of-idf-soldiers-who-commit-war-crimes/00000193-f2a4-dc18-a3db-fee62b540000

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-11-01/ty-article/.premium/black-flags-and-war-crimes-should-israeli-soldiers-in-gaza-refuse-to-obey-orders/00000192-e693-d61b-adb7-fe937f170000

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-05-22/ty-article-opinion/.premium/idf-brass-is-not-only-obeying-orders-it-could-have-stopped-the-gaza-massacre/00000196-f420-d06d-a5df-f5f1b63f0000

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-expose-arbitrary-killings-and-rampant-lawlessness-in-gazas-netzarim-corridor/00000193-da7f-de86-a9f3-fefff2e50000

There's more if that lot is unconvincing 

 


 
Posted : 21/07/2025 3:34 pm
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I think I’ve just entered some kind of alternative dimension. I just watched the news and someone in the Houses of Parliament, who looked exactly like Priti Patel, demanding an end to the violence in Gaza and a proper 2 state solution.

That can’t have just actually happened though, can it? 


 
Posted : 21/07/2025 7:46 pm
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I think I’ve just entered some kind of alternative dimension. I just watched the news and someone in the Houses of Parliament, who looked exactly like Priti Patel, demanding an end to the violence in Gaza and a proper 2 state solution.

That can’t have just actually happened though, can it? 

Time to switch to the low alcohol stuff

 


 
Posted : 21/07/2025 9:02 pm
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https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1947369836939473222


 
Posted : 21/07/2025 10:34 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/21/uk-condemns-israel-depriving-palestinians-human-dignity-gaza

This the situation in Gaza right now :

The latest assault began a day after the highest death toll in 21 months inflicted by the Israeli military on desperate Palestinians seeking food aid, with at least 85 killed in what has become a grim and almost daily slaughter.

The UN food agency, the World Food Programme, said the majority of those killed on Sunday had gathered near the border fence with Israel in the hope of getting flour from a UN aid convoy when they were fired on by Israeli tanks and snipers.

The IDF are murdering desperately hungry unarmed civilians, which they are trying to deliberately starve, with snipers and tanks ffs.

The UK government is fully aware of this, they don't deny it for one minute, in fact it is the very reason for their statement.

And there response? This :

David Lammy, the UK foreign secretary, joined ministers from Australia, Canada and France in urging the Israeli government to lift restrictions on the flow of aid, arguing that the suffering of civilians had “reached new depths”.

He is ****ing "urging" this murderous terrorist regime to lift restrictions on the flow of aid. ****ing "urging" them! Could there possibly be less of a commitment to do anything about the horrendous war crime being committed?

Over two months ago the UK, Canada, and France,. issued a joint statement claiming that they would not "hesitate" to take "concrete action" if Israel did not lift aid restrictions.  Israel's response was to  continue to deny aid to civilians and they upped the number of civilians which they murder on a daily base.

Whilst the only concrete action the UK government has taken with regards to Gaza since then has been to declare Palestine Action a terrorist organisation. 

Sir Keir Starmer, David Lammy, and Yvette Cooper, have been very true to their membership of Labour Friend's of Israel. Could Israel possibly have any greater friends than those three muppets?

And also in the above article :

On Monday afternoon, the Israeli foreign ministry rejected the joint statement, saying it was “disconnected from reality”.

“The statement fails to focus the pressure on Hamas and fails to recognise Hamas’s role and responsibility for the situation,” the ministry said. “Hamas is the sole party responsible for the continuation of the war and the suffering on both sides. 

Many months ago the Israeli government declared Hamas completely defeated now they are claiming that they have to intensify' military operations to defeat Hamas, when are the western media going to stop presenting the Israeli government as some sort of even vaguely reliable source?

They lie about absolutely everything as you would expect any terrorist organisation to do.


 
Posted : 22/07/2025 12:18 am
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Will genocide excuser Kier now also proscribe led by donkeys.


 
Posted : 22/07/2025 12:23 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/private-eye-cartoon-arrest-ian-hislop-protest

“I saw it in Private Eye and I thought: ‘That’s really well thought-out. It’s got a bit of nuance about it.’ But I don’t think the cops do nuance.

“I found out later somebody said to one of the police: ‘You know you can buy Private Eye in the newsagent just next to the van you’re putting him in, are you going to arrest Ian Hislop?’

“So they’re coming out with all this guff about: ‘If it’s in print, it’s fine. But if you carry it on the demo [it’s illegal].’ That sounds to me like the police making up the law.”


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 8:00 am
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That sounds to me like the police making up the law.”

To be fair to the police they have been given the impossible task by a Labour government of policing a stupid law which defines people who are very clearly not terrorists as terrorists.

So whatever action the police take it is always going to look ridiculous.

Although in the case of the Private Eye page (why does the Guardian call it a cartoon?) it is double ridiculous because Private Eye are just reiterating this stupid and dangerous law and simply pointing out what is now classed as "terrorism".


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 8:33 am
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Image from the front page of the Daily express today, not the publication that I would have expected to publish this, but it's powerful none the less.

Shame on Israel, and shame on those that try to silence the protesters.


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 11:47 am
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The thing is that if Benjamin Netanyahu's name was actually Saddam Hussein Western governments would be urgently discussing the creation of an international force to intervene and stop the killings, nevermind condemning it.

One of the lasting consequences of this horrific genocide will be the collapse of the West's moral authority.


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 12:39 pm
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Perceived moral authority maybe. Since when has the West actually had moral authority?


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 12:48 pm
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Precisely.

 


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 1:01 pm
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Perceived moral authority maybe. Since when has the West actually had moral authority?

The Balkans, Rwanda, Ukraine, Gaza, just underline how weak the responses to horrors like this are so consistently. 

 

 


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 1:09 pm
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I’m sure lessons will be learned……………they will………..won’t they?……….. 😐 


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 1:13 pm
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Ukraine

Hasn't the West's response to the situation in Ukraine been quite strong?

Certainly the UK isn't supplying vital parts to Russia so that their war planes can bomb and kill civilians.

No weapons have been supplied to the Palestinians so that they can defend themselves from the murderous actions of a madman.

 


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 1:20 pm
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It could be argued all the West has done for Ukraine is tut loudly and give them some weapons and munitions close to their expiry dates. And then been prescriptive about when and where they could be used. It's been just enough help to keep the war going but not eject the Russians. The main difference is there is a relatively stable government in Ukraine which didn't start a ground war with the neighbourhood pyscho. Giving Hamas weapons (as other local state level agitators have clearly done) really hasn't helped the Palestinian people very much, just prolonged the destruction and slaughter.


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 1:32 pm
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The imprisonment and blockade of gaza has been going on for longer than Hamas has existed, the "neighbourhood pyscho" has been torturing the Palestinians for a very long time with impunity, the collective shrug from western Governments has emboldened them to now move into such blatant genocide and ethnic cleansing that the populations of the west can see quite clearly how rotten our representatives are, especially the likes of Labour who we expect to stand up for the weak and unfortunate more than the usual right wing warmongers.


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 1:55 pm
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the populations of the west can see quite clearly how rotten our representatives are, especially the likes of Labour who we expect to stand up for the weak and unfortunate more than the usual right wing warmongers.

That's a bit unfair. David Lammy has make several strong statements on the subject. What else is he supposed to do?

Really, if I see his pompous, self-satisfied face, with his arrogant, stilted delivery one more time, there's gonna be murdering done. What with that and the Tesco Clubcard ad, there's only so much I can stomach.


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 2:01 pm
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Hasn't the West's response to the situation in Ukraine been quite strong?

Nowhere near strong enough. Russia has maintained it's war economy by selling oil to many "allies" of the West, undermining our other efforts. Sanctions against countries propping up the Putin regime would have made a huge difference, not signing trade deals with them. And suddenly now Trump starts muttering about it?

 


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 2:41 pm
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The imprisonment and blockade of gaza has been going on for longer than Hamas has existed, the "neighbourhood pyscho" has been torturing the Palestinians for a very long time with impunity

The level of extreme violence meted out on the Palestinian men, women, and children, by Israel, and Israeli tactics such as indiscriminate  shooting and killing for crowd control purposes, shows the complete dehumanisation of Palestinians in the eyes of Israel and provides some perspective behind what drove Hamas to hit back on the 7th of October 2023.

Israel didn't start viewing Palestinians as subhumans 20 months ago, this has very clearly been a long drawn out process covering many decades.


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 2:52 pm
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I'd love to see this ****ing **** airdropped into Gaza, live stream the arrogant israeli genocidal slug getting ripped apart, make it pay per view and donate the money raised to Palestinians 

 

 


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 7:24 pm
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The Balkans

Hmm, I must have missed the large UK contingent that deployed all across the Balkans with UN and NATO. Trying to stop people nailing babies to trees, to then be confronted when we took the gloves off and started smacking the Serbs back into line. 

Don't conflate the UN impotent intervention as a failure of the UK government, things got resolved when NATO took the reigns. 

See FRY, Kosovo & Macedonia. 

 

Anyway, way OT. Rwanda, Sudan, Yemen & Gaza are all perfectly good examples of the failure of diplomacy and letting dickheads go way off the reservation with their military response. UK Plc is way behind the curve on this, so much so they barely have started to angle upwards.


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 7:44 pm
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Hmm, I must have missed the large UK contingent that deployed all across the Balkans with UN and NATO. Trying to stop people nailing babies to trees, to then be confronted when we took the gloves off and started smacking the Serbs back into line. 

Apologies, was a poor example to include

 


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 9:15 pm
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Moazzam Malik - Save The Children CEO gives his perspective on what is happening in Gaza

 


 
Posted : 23/07/2025 10:35 pm
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Dangerous terrorist apprehended 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/24/uk-police-detain-pro-palestine-protester-80-almost-27-hours-search-hous

Thank goodness the lethal samba drum has been disabled 


 
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Dangerous terrorist apprehended 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/24/uk-police-detain-pro-palestine-protester-80-almost-27-hours-search-hous

Thank goodness the lethal samba drum has been disabled 

 

link not working but I figure it’s for the 80yr old detainee who was held under Starmers ****ing ignorant as **** Zionist cuck of a law 


 
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 I figure it’s for the 80yr old detainee who was held under Starmers ___ing ignorant as ____ Zionist cuck of a law 

 

Yes that's the one. Thankfully they also arrested that other leading Terrorist, Trisha, 75 from Wells. Hopefully the searches of dried goods in her home has made safe any further potential weapons such as Garam Masala 


 
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https://news.sky.com/story/france-to-become-first-g7-nation-to-recognise-palestine-as-a-state-13401391

 

France to recognise Palestine as a state


 
Posted : 25/07/2025 6:58 am
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Starvation was a central strategy in the Nazi genocide against the Jews. Hitler had long been aware of the power that lay in controlling the food.

 

https://www.nobelpeacecenter.org/en/news/hitler-s-hungerplan

Forced, deliberate starvation also played a role in the Holocaust. In the Jewish ghettos, the access to food was tightly controlled. It was up to the Nazis to decide who would have access to meat or bread, and the Jewish shops had a very small selection of foods.


 
Posted : 25/07/2025 2:27 pm
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/24/world/middleeast/israel-minister-gaza-driving-out.html

Amid rising starvation in the Gaza Strip, an Israeli government minister said on Thursday that Israel had no duty to alleviate hunger in the territory and was seeking to expel its population.


 
Posted : 25/07/2025 2:30 pm
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Early on in the conflict a temporary pier was built to bring aid into Gaza. Why is that not happening again now that aid is so desperately needed?

i just wish the UN could be mandated to don their blue helmets and roll in from Egypt telling the Israelis to gtf out of their way. 


 
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Early on in the conflict a temporary pier was built to bring aid into Gaza. Why is that not happening again now that aid is so desperately needed?

I think it never worked properly and fell to pieces.

Meanwhile, in similar vein, the despicable Starmer is promoting the stupid idea of airdrops. I think these were tried earlier and apart from the obvious drawback of not being adequate to deliver the sale of supplies needed, they just resulted in people being killed by falling boxes of flour, and big fights when the boxes land. There's a point where incompetence crosses into culpability. 


 
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Airdrops?....Jesus ****ing christ just drive all 900 trucks at full speed through the border crossings and if any ****ing dickhead israeli protesters or IDF get minced then they'll be food for the deserving dogs. 


 
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the despicable Starmer is promoting the stupid idea of airdrops. 

That is because Benjamin Netanyahu has given his personal approval, no other reason.

I suspect Netanyahu is chuckling to himself as he recalls the last time there were airdrops how some of it ended up in the sea and desperate Palestinians drowned trying to get to them.

 


 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn437jjygl9o

Let's be clear, this is only happening because of growing pressure from Western leaders, and the reason they are applying growing pressure is because they themselves are facing growing domestic pressure.

Supporting a murderous regime which is deliberately starving children, and shooting them, is not a good look for any Western politician.

Don't let anyone tell you that going on mass demonstrations in support of Palestine throughout the world doesn't do anything. If there had been silence and not growing disgust Western leaders would not have felt pressurised. The pressure now needs to increase.


I found this particularly galling :

In a statement on Saturday, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) said it would also allow air drops of humanitarian aid to resume.

They will "allow" humanitarian aid to resume! Denying  humanitarian aid is a straightforward war crimes, no ifs or buts.

By issuing a statement saying that they will allow humanitarian aid to resume they are openly admitting that they have been committing a war crime, surely prosecutions in the international court must follow at some point? 

And also :

It also stated that it had resumed supplying power to a desalination plant in Gaza, which it said would "serve about 900,000 residents".

Denying civilians fresh water is also a war crime so again Israel is quite openly admitting to committing war crimes.

It's so brazen and yet no Western leaders, apart from maybe in Spain and Ireland, are willing to demand that those responsible for war crimes face justice.

And the icing on the cake? This :

It denied what it called "the false claim of deliberate starvation in the Gaza Strip"

You have just ****ing admitted to it you ****ing halfwits.


 
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