has condemned the genocide
I know standards are not what they were, but I don't think "condemned a genocide" is much of a qualification for being seen as one of the "good guys".
It would be good to have an official statement on exactly what someone needs to say in order to pass the 'good guys' test
It would be good to have an official statement on exactly what someone needs to say in order to pass the 'good guys' test
It's quite simple... if you have anything to say that might under any light be seen as making a point towards the positive for Israel, you're a bad guy. The good guys condemn everything outright.
For goodness sake people, why can we not discuss this properly? Giving insight and background into the reasons of Israel's behaviour is not excusing it. It's like someone saying "poverty and lack of education leads to higher crime levels" and someone else saying "oh so you support criminals do you?!?! Excusing them?!?!".
It's nonsense.
If a post contains content...
- by a certain person
- by someone from a certain country
- suspected of being partially written or formatted by AI
- showing anything but outright black/white condemnation and hand-wringing
... then it should be ignored at best, and seen as supporting Israel at worst.
The amount of logical fallacies here is ridiculous.
He may have "condemned" the genocide but read through his words again. It's not explicit but there is a definite leaning towards supporting Israel seasoned through the word salad and in my opinion, stress my opinion, he is deliberately pushing buttons to provoke. I get the impression that far from being a pile on, he is relishing the attention.
Oh I agree full of excuses and the usual false accusations of antisemitism
I don't think "condemned a genocide" is much of a qualification for being seen as one of the "good guys".
I didn't say he was
It was just a thought thats all. It felt to me like it was tipping towards a pile on and its good to have a differnt perspective
Bless
I can't believe how some people still haven't figured out who you are !
You have damn near signed every one of your posts on this thread!
Fair play to him though Ernesto.....he's learnt to use ChatGPT since he was last banned.
Personal development, innit?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165359
"For too long, international law has been treated as optional – applied selectively to those perceived as weak, ignored by those acting as the powerful. This double standard has eroded the very foundations of the legal order. That era must end
Enough impunity. Enough empty rhetoric. Enough exceptionalism. Enough complicity. The time has come to act in pursuit of justice and peace – grounded in rights and freedoms for all, and not mere privileges for some, at the expense of the annihilation of others.”
The woman should be a shoo-in for the Nobel Peace Prize
The woman should be a shoo-in for the Nobel Peace Prize
She would be in any rational universe. My money is on Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu to share it. Probably nominated by Keir Starmer.
The woman should be a shoo-in for the Nobel Peace Prize
She would be in any rational universe. My money is on Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu to share it. Probably nominated by Keir Starmer.
Its possible
More from Jeff Halper
The first clip in particular makes a very important point imo.
It would be good to have an official statement on exactly what someone needs to say in order to pass the 'good guys' test
It's quite simple... if you have anything to say that might under any light be seen as making a point towards the positive for Israel, you're a bad guy. The good guys condemn everything outright.
For goodness sake people, why can we not discuss this properly? Giving insight and background into the reasons of Israel's behaviour is not excusing it. It's like someone saying "poverty and lack of education leads to higher crime levels" and someone else saying "oh so you support criminals do you?!?! Excusing them?!?!".
It's nonsense.
If a post contains content...
- by a certain person
- by someone from a certain country
- suspected of being partially written or formatted by AI
- showing anything but outright black/white condemnation and hand-wringing
... then it should be ignored at best, and seen as supporting Israel at worst.
The amount of logical fallacies here is ridiculous.
The irony is, of course, that we're essentially pretty much all on the same 'side' here, in that none of us want to see senseless slaughter of innocent people. The difficulty is that some people have painted themselves into an ideological corner to such an extent, that they simply cannot cope with any opinion that strays from their utterly rigid and narrow ideological framework. I think you've summed it up quite well with your poverty and crime analogy. Notice that not a single person has actually managed to refute anything I've said, there's not been a single coherent argument offered (I mean, we're clearly not dealing with too many intellectual heavyweights here, but hey), just a load of misunderstanding and crazy conflation.
It's easy to shout about your 'support' for Palestine. It's easy to wave a little flag at demos, carry a placard decrying the evil of demons. It's easy to chant right-on slogans, to be seen to be on the 'right' side. It's easy to virtue signal to a point where others think you're 'nice'. Nobody wants to be thought of as not nice, now, do they? How cool you look with your Palestine t-shirt, and your 'Free Gaza' stickers. Go you.
It's a lot harder to challenge a common,widespread narrative though. My aim here was to challenge such, andI've achieved my aim and then some; as I've said the lack of any coherent, intelligent argument against, coupled with the multiple attempts to demonise and denigrate me, evidences the fact that some people just cannot handle a diversity of opinion and perspective. And don't respect others either. We've seen one lie already, about how I support 'Israel', and here's another:
Oh I agree full of excuses and the usual false accusations of antisemitism
I mean, it's pretty easy to debunk this; as the claim about me supporting 'Israel' was proven to be a lie, so there is no actual evidence to support this latest one.
Nothing. They've got nothing. They never have. Zealots, whatever their flag, always show up with nothing. I mean, I didn't know that there was a competition of worthiness, who can prove themselves the most righteous supporter of Palestine, but wow. Some people are really going for it, aren't they? But it's all quite hollow; it's virtue signalling on an embarrassing level. We can see why such people want to shut down any actual debate; they need to maintain the echo chamber in which they find refuge for their insecurities. I get that. If you lack the ability to engage with subjects outside your comfort zone, you may well feel threatened.
But there you go. If anyone does actually want to discuss matters in a respectful manner, then I'm all up for it. If all you've got is ad hominems and abuse, please go elsewhere. Thanks.
It's easy to shout about your 'support' for Palestine. It's easy to wave a little flag at demos, carry a placard decrying the evil of demons. It's easy to chant right-on slogans, to be seen to be on the 'right' side. It's easy to virtue signal to a point where others think you're 'nice'. Nobody wants to be thought of as not nice, now, do they? How cool you look with your Palestine t-shirt, and your 'Free Gaza' stickers. Go you.
It's a lot harder to challenge a common,widespread narrative though. My aim here was to challenge such, and I've achieved my aim and then some
I don't quite follow this bit. Maybe I've lost track somewhere.
Firstly I don't think there's anything wrong with showing support for Palestine, if done in the right way. Why not? Virtue signalling or genuine, either way it shows everyone that a lot of people support them and the more publicity that gets the better (eg, pressure on governments).
Not everyone is cut out for travelling to Gaza as a aid worker or whatever. Waving a flag is doing something.
And secondly I'm not sure what the narrative is that you're referring to?
It's easy to shout about your 'support' for Palestine. It's easy to wave a little flag at demos, carry a placard decrying the evil of demons. It's easy to chant right-on slogans, to be seen to be on the 'right' side. It's easy to virtue signal to a point where others think you're 'nice'. Nobody wants to be thought of as not nice, now, do they? How cool you look with your Palestine t-shirt, and your 'Free Gaza' stickers. Go you.
It's a lot harder to challenge a common,widespread narrative though. My aim here was to challenge such, and I've achieved my aim and then some
I don't quite follow this bit. Maybe I've lost track somewhere.
Firstly I don't think there's anything wrong with showing support for Palestine, if done in the right way. Why not? Virtue signalling or genuine, either way it shows everyone that a lot of people support them and the more publicity that gets the better (eg, pressure on governments).
Not everyone is cut out for travelling to Gaza as a aid worker or whatever. Waving a flag is doing something.
And secondly I'm not sure what the narrative is that you're referring to?
Of course, people turning up in their hundreds of thousands to demonstrate against the genocide is good, as it sends a global message that we oppose it en masse. I'm not having a go at that; I've been on many such demos, have been going for decades, long before Palestine was a 'cool' cause. What I'm getting at is the zealotry that sadly infects some, and the rigid, binary narrative as we've seen displayed on here.
I'm responding to those who made ridiculous and inaccurate claims that I support 'Israel', simply for not agreeing 100% with their chosen rhetoric. Why do they think themselves so righteous? Is there a league table of righteousness; 'Supporter of Palestine of the Year'? Perhaps if everyone else left this thread, it would end up with the zealots arguing over who is the biggest supporter of Palestine. Who would your money be on?
(I mean, we're clearly not dealing with too many intellectual heavyweights here, but hey),
[...]
It's easy to shout about your 'support' for Palestine. It's easy to wave a little flag at demos, carry a placard decrying the evil of demons. It's easy to chant right-on slogans, to be seen to be on the 'right' side. It's easy to virtue signal to a point where others think you're 'nice'. Nobody wants to be thought of as not nice, now, do they? How cool you look with your Palestine t-shirt, and your 'Free Gaza' stickers. Go you.
[...]
. Zealots, whatever their flag, always show up with nothing. I mean, I didn't know that there was a competition of worthiness, who can prove themselves the most righteous supporter of Palestine, but wow. Some people are really going for it, aren't they? But it's all quite hollow; it's virtue signalling on an embarrassing level. We can see why such people want to shut down any actual debate; they need to maintain the echo chamber in which they find refuge for their insecurities. I get that. If you lack the ability to engage with subjects outside your comfort zone, you may well feel threatened.
[...]
If all you've got is ad hominems and abuse,
Well it's odd you mention that, because it's looking more and more that once we get past the Kumbaya bullshit about "emotional intelligence" and understanding the poor Israelis, ad hominem is pretty much all that's left in your locker.
Lol! Touché.
I haven't referred to an entire nation of people as 'rabid dogs' though, so...
inaccurate claims that I support 'Israel',
Agreed. You obviously feel sneering contempt for both supporters of Palestine and supporters of Israel. It is just that because supporters of Palestine are currently the most vocal on here you are focusing on them.
You appear to be suffering from the same internal turmoil caused by conflicting loyalties as a previous poster on this thread. He had to try to reconcile his Muslim heritage with his wife's Israeli heritage.
Seems the Zionists below are now saying that the new superman movie is antisemitic 🤣 , if you want a dive into the Zionist freaks mindset then have a look at the Twitter posts.
https://twitter.com/Betar_USA/status/1944795559182905660
According to a couple of coppers in Kent holding a sign saying "Israel is committing genocide in Gaza" would be reasonable suspicion to believe that someone was supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation.
This is worth watching to the end
https://bsky.app/profile/madoc.bsky.social/post/3ltztdhbql22h
Well done Yvette Cooper and the current Labour government, you are doing a great job intimidating people who are speaking out against a genocide being committed by a far-right regime, I am sure that your new found friend Donald Trump would approve.
According to a couple of coppers in Kent holding a sign saying "Israel is committing genocide in Gaza" would be reasonable suspicion to believe that someone was supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation.
This is worth watching to the end
Well done Yvette Cooper and the current Labour government, you are doing a great job intimidating people who are speaking out against a genocide being committed by a far-right regime, I am sure that your new found friend Donald Trump would approve.
Notice how both officers in that video are wearing Thin Blue Line badges. These are ostensibly sold by a charity that supports police officers injured whilst on duty, but has been linked to far-right white supremacist groups. Now I doubt the average UK copper is particularly aware of all the political connotations of that badge, but I'm sure quite a few are. Police are not allowed to display any political symbols as part of their uniform. Such badges are banned from the Met police.
So, you've basically got coppers wearing symbols associated with white supremacist fascists, telling peace protesters not to support peace. This is our nation right now.
both officers in that video are wearing Thin Blue Line badges.
Interesting. I wasn't aware of the thin blue line badges.
I find it slightly sinister that some police officer might feel sufficiently relaxed to out themselves in such an obvious and public way.
Keir "Stamer" has said on "tv" that he is Jewish? There will be a clip then...?
Starmer is not Jewish, he was brought up COE
There will be a clip then...?
There won't be because it's bollocks.
I regularly hear surprising "facts" concerning zionism on social media, I sometimes post them on here if I feel they are particularly surprising but never without fact checking them first. I suggest you try the same protocol DrJ !
There won't be because it's bollocks.
Somewhat bollocksish, but not entirely
fb.watch/AUIszyLB4r/
(sorry, including the fb link wasn't working)
Somewhat bollocksish, but not entirely
Often, the worst and most harmful kind of bollocks is the kind that is only partly bollocks.
I can't see the link so I don't know what "not entirely" bollocks means. Starmer's wife and children can be fairly described as being Jewish but Starmer's parents were not Jewish and he isn't a convert Judaism, unless he has announced that he is? Sounds extremely unlikely imo, he claims to be an atheist.
Anyway the issue of whether Starmer is Jewish or not is completely irrelevant to any issues being discussed on this thread.
It certainly doesn't explain why Starmer gives his full and unwavering support to a vile genocidal far-right regime.
So, a video titled "Keir Starmer finally admits to being Jewish", in which Keir Starmer admits to:
a) his parents having family that is Jewish
b) sympathising with and supporting Zionism.
And the video poster says "This is why Israel government get so much support". Why? Because he is Jewish (even though he isn't). Notice the admission of supporting Zionism is ignored. It's because he's Jewish that he supports Israel.
The same tripe is then spread further by this Rosita Sweetman (and presumably others) and is even added to (now his parents are explicitly Jewish themselves).
Thanks DrJ for bringing this to our attention 🙄
The Guardian has picked up the story of the woman being threatened with terrorist offences for expressing opposition to genocide in Gaza
“It’s terrifying, I was standing there thinking, this is the most authority, authoritarian, dystopian experience I’ve had in this country, being told that I’m committing terrorist offences by two guys with firearms.
“I ended up giving my details, and I really resent the fact I had to do that because I don’t think that was lawful at all.”
What makes it particularly chilling is that politics in the UK is so screwed up that only 26 MPs voted against the abuse of anti-terrorist legislation. It isn't even a case of "if we hang on in there for another 4 years the next Labour government will restore democracy and get rid of this authoritarian shite".
It is going to take such a long time.
I was putting that event down to the attending police officers being simply and plainly wrong, but the quote there from a "A Kent police spokesperson" is chilling...
Under the Terrorism Act it is a criminal offence to carry or display items that may arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation such as Palestine Action.
What does that mean? That on this occasion the victim of police overreach should be considered guilty of the above? Or is it just scattering irrelevant truths around to misdirect attention away from their officers getting it wrong?
And the video poster says "This is why Israel government get so much support". Why? Because he is Jewish (even though he isn't). Notice the admission of supporting Zionism is ignored. It's because he's Jewish that he supports Israel.
I can't see the video but yeah, any suggestion that the reason Starmer supports Netanyahu murderous government is because he is actually Jewish himself sounds like very obvious anti-jewish bigotry to me.
My relationship with my British-Israeli accountant extends beyond business. She has talked to me extensively about Judaism, dietary laws, culture etc, and her Jewish heritage (we don't talk about Palestine!) She is a very active member of the local Labour Party which once also included Starmer's father. She knew Starmer's father very well and has told me about conversations she had with him. I am 100% certain that she would have mentioned to me that Starmer's father was Jewish if he had been.
What does that mean?
Well in the context of the Kent incident it seems to mean that if you have a sign saying "Israel is committing genocide in Gaza" they will have reasonable suspicion that you are supporting a terrorist organisation because Palestine Action are now a terrorist organisation and are saying exactly the same thing.
This coming Saturday's national demo in two days time in support of Palestine will be interesting. Especially depending on how the Met Police use/abuse their new found powers of arrest and custody
UK Lawyers for Israel Ltd has tried to silence various voices supporting Palestine. Their charitable wing has made public statements rejecting international law.
Jewish activist @EmHilton91 is on the Charity Commission offices to ask for an investigation.
“The weaponisation of antisemitism is not only an egregious attack on Palestine advocacy, civil liberties & human rights - it also hurts the fight against antisemitism. It makes it harder for us to identify true antisemitism when it happens & creates scepticism about whether anti-Jewish racism even still exists, or is just a political tool.
The post shared by Eno and others on Instagram says: “The scenes in Gaza have moved beyond description. We write as artists who’ve chosen to use our public platforms to speak out against the genocide occurring there and the role of the UK government in facilitating it.
“We’re aware of the scale of aggressive, vexatious campaigns operated by UKLFI and of multiple individual incidences of intimidation within the music industry itself, designed solely to censor and silence artists from speaking their hearts and minds.
In a statement provided to the Guardian, Massive Attack said: “This collective action is really about offering some kind of solidarity to those artists who are living day after day in a screen-time genocide, but are worried about using their platforms to express their horror at that because of the level of censorship within their industry or from highly organised external legal bodies, terrifying them and their management teams with aggressive legal actions. The intention is clear and obvious: to silence them.”
The amount of effort that organisation such as.UK Lawyers for Israel put into silencing critics of the genocide in Gaza, plus the current UK government's attempts to intimidate with false claims of terrorism, shows just how much importance they attach to public opinion.
And that should provide encouragement to all those who won't be silenced.
That Kent Police thing is a ****ing disgrace. Harassment and vexatious bollocks. Time to write to my lazy **** Labour MP to confirm this is what he signed up to.
Well there’s a surprise…….said no-one ever 🙄
https://twitter.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/1946173386725744955
The Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Met Police, Ade Adelekan, issued a statement yesterday in advance of tomorrow's national demo in support of Palestine. One paragraph stated :
“This is also the first large scale protest on this issue since Glastonbury Festival where offensive chanting led by an artist on one of the stages prompted a police investigation. Investigations are also underway, led by Met officers, following similar uses of the same chant in London.
The very next paragraph said:
“Those investigations are ongoing and it would not be appropriate to prejudge the outcomes, but I can say a bit more about our approach to similar chanting at this weekend’s protest."
So not appropriate to prejudge and yet that is exactly what he has done by describing the chanting as "offensive". It is no more offensive to say death to the IDF than saying death to the Russian army at a pro Ukraine rally. Would anyone be arrested for that?
What I find offensive is people who give military, diplomatic, and political, support, to an army who is murdering children.
And the Deputy Assistant Commissioner gives a chilling and threatening reminder of just how deeply repressive the anti-terrorist legislation which is being now used on non-terrorists is :
“I would urge those people to consider the seriousness of being arrested under the Terrorism Act and the very real long term implications – from travel, to employment, to finances – that such an arrest is likely to have for their future.
Death to the Wagner group?, I guess that would not be considered to fall under the terrorism offences act.
Highlighted in a thread by wheelsonfire elsewhere on the forum but needs posting here
Professor Nick Maynard (gastroenterologist) who is in Gaza reports to R4 Today programme regarding gunshot wounds to specific body parts, shot very clearly by IDF soldiers
Time to rally the cry of Death…Death to the IDF
Listen at 1hr 34 minutes in to program
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002fwjn
The silence from our Government and media is deafening, I never thought I’d see the day when a LABOUR Government would crack down on legitimate protest with anti-terror legislation. The supporters of legitimate protest who have been arrested today are very brave people.
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If the BBC genuinely want to appear to be fair and impartial then it really is time that they started to refer to the "Likud-run defence ministry" when reporting statements made by the IDF.
After all if they really need to remind their viewers and readers, every single time, that Hamas runs what is left of the health service in Gaza then they should also point out to them, every single time, that the far-right Likud Party runs the Israeli defence ministry, just to remind them that it is a totally unreliable source of information with a long uninterrupted history of lying.
And also a long history of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
