Far be it from me to question Alex Brundle but surely when you’re on the outside line you can brake later because the turning circle is greater offering more grip?
But you’ve also got to factor in that the inside line is where all the rubber has been put down and the outside line is where all the crap goes. So the outside line is almost always the far slower line in F1 (and basically any motorsport apart from oval racing)
I still don’t get why it’s taken this long for the footage to surface, every other angle from every other car is usually available instantaneously.
You only get one feed from the car at a time, they were using the rear facing camera on Verstappens car, so had to wait to download the footage. But even then it’s take nearly 2 full days to come out….
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He’s second with a few rounds still to go and has 2 or 3 wins hasn’t he? That’s not too shabby. he’s also a F1 test driver IIRC. But yeah, It won’t hurt the marketing to have the first Chinese driver in your team
Yeah but that's not a brilliant achievement when it's your third go at it after being trounced by your teammates twice.
True in ome sense mashr but remember that Max wasn't on the racing line though, the racing line is where Lewis was. You'll carry more speed approaching a corner from a wider angle than approaching tight to the apex.
Kind of glad they didn't penalise him during the race though shan't complain if they apply a retrospective penalty.
It’s fairly clear that Max’s line was intentional. If they both braked 10m later than the previous lap then that’s pretty telling, because Max is way off the racing line and would have had to brake earlier to make the tighter radius. The steering inputs on the in-car seem, from my armchair, to suggest that he’s deliberately taking a shallow line with a wide and slow exit, but whether he intended to go quite so far off the track himself is debatable—at that point he’s probably run out of front grip but it doesn’t matter.
Anyway, in Proper F1 that shouldn’t be a penalty. Whether it should be under the actual sporting regs I don’t know. I’m curious about what new evidence Mercedes are bringing. It had better be good, considering the humiliating smack down that Red Bull got after Silverstone…
i’m curious about what new evidence Mercedes are bringing. It had better be good,
I believe it's the video from Verstappen's car, that the stewards did not have access to until it was retrieved after the race - as said above they only had access to the rear camera feed during the race.
As I think understand it (probably incorrectly) Mercedes have just asked for the "right to review"...the stewards (or FIA?) could say just say "no, sod off", or they could say "ok we'll review it.....ok done that, now sod off"
But stewards may have decided that neither of them was going to make the turn from there, and just left it at that.
Thing is, Lewis's rear wheel was ahead of Max's front and he disappears backwards as soon as they decide to brake, with the outside line as well, so it ain't like they hit the same braking marker. Max was never gonna make the turn from there (we'll never know whether Lewis would), so I guess the question is whether there's anything in the regs that permits driving yourself and an attacker off the track to prevent a pass.
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You have to read his replies to other Twitter users’ questions to get all the info….but it’s clear he thinks it was fine. I’m not aware he has any links to Redbull and probably knows more about driving cars fast than all of us put together! (Apologies if anyone here is a proper racing driver)
Really interesting, commendably patient answers - and a fantastic come-back when someone says there've been LOADS of outside passes at T4. "And you've been through there in?" 🙂
As I think understand it (probably incorrectly) Mercedes have just asked for the “right to review”…the stewards (or FIA?) could say just say “no, sod off”, or they could say “ok we’ll review it…..ok done that, now sod off”
Yeah, my money is on them agreeing to consider the extra video footage then saying that it was a racing incident and no action is necessary. I suspect Merc are just playing this up as a dig at RB for the Silverstone nonsense.
You know all the analysis, telemetry and expert opinion hasn't changed a single sing since we first saw the incident.
Not only did we know what we saw when we saw it, we knew we were going to see it before we saw it!
Considering Verstappen doesn't have the experience of the lower formulas, he doesn't have that experience of constant wheel to wheel racing in equally matched cars, he was fast tracked into F1 and hasn't had to fight for the privilege like some others.
So in one sense, although driving really fast is in his DNA, actually 'racing' isn't. That's why we see him make so many poor judgement calls, having always been in one of the fastest cars he hasn't actually got as much experience as many other drivers when it comes to racecraft.
George Russell on the other hand....I think all this talk about Versappen eventually being a multiple times world champion is a bit premature. Right now, the thought that this year might be his only chance might well be in his head...
So in one sense, although driving really fast is in his DNA
His dad scored 17 points total in f1, so I hardly think that comment applies 😁
In fact (according to wiki), he's had about the same number of years in f1 as he has in his various sentences for assault.
His mother was better, apparently
From what I remember of Jos, he was a decent driver but he had Schumacher as teammate in his rookie season. That's a tough challenge for a rookie. Problem is, he just seems to be a total **** out of the car. Very hard guy to like.
https://twitter.com/MattyWTF1/status/1460649535504531462
His dad scored 17 points total in f1, so I hardly think that comment applies
To be fair, there were less races and a lot less points back then - only decent car he ever drove was that part first season for Benetton (and in one of those ten races they tried to flambe him!). I'm no fan of his, you understand, but fair is fair.
So, as an aside from all the "expert" comments on how the two (possibly) best racing drivers currently competing should race...........has anyone worked out the points difference permutations yet ?
If Lewis wins the next races and Max comes second - who will win overall ?
Lewis innit? (Another 75pts vs another 54 for Max)
The interesting thing is if they end up equal...I think it goes to race wins then.
It's possible to come up with a permutation where they go into the last race on equal points
The fastest lap points make it slightly more complicated, but, disregarding those, if Hamilton wins the next two with Max second, they will be equal on points and wins. That would basically make the final race the decider. Going to brand new circuits is going to make things interesting.
Its going to be the best season I can remember then. Two unknown races and that tight on points. I bet Bottas and Perez will be employed as rolling road blocks then.
Its going to be the best season I can remember then.
Yes, I can't remember a better season and I've been following F1 since Piquet and Mansell were teammates.
Two unknown races and that tight on points. I bet Bottas and Perez will be employed as rolling road blocks then.
Will be interesting to see if Gasly and Tsunoda run strategies designed to help Max and hinder Hamilton.
If equal on points it goes to race wins, then 2nd places, then 3rd places etc.
I reckon if Max had Toto as his team boss he would have won a couple of WDC already. He seems to have a lot of people backing him up when they shouldn’t be, like some sort of weird Facebook group, whereas I reckon Toto coaches and works with people to get the best out of them. Even more so when Niki was around who I reckon was not afraid to tell the talent what for when needed!
If Toto and George get on well and maximise Georges potential it’ll be a devastating combo going forward, and I don’t think Lewis will mind at all. All depends on GR’s attitude, if he is willing to learn and take advice.
“ Yes, I can’t remember a better season and I’ve been following F1 since Piquet and Mansell were teammates.”
I’ve been watching since about 1980! Yes this year is a good one for sure, but it’ll take a lot to beat the Brawn F1 year when Button won the WDC (my word that was a nail biter as the season went on wondering if the other teams would catch up to Brawn or not) or when Lewis won the WDC by a single point gained on the last corner of the last lap of the last race in Brazil with another inspired drive(how many does he have of these?!?).
The fastest lap points make it slightly more complicated, but, disregarding those,
To be fair, we probably can disregard them, both teams are more than willing to play games with their second drivers to make sure the take away fastest lap points from their rivals.
The Constructors title is far from settled too, although if Lewis closes the gap on Max that's likely to put Mercedes further ahead
The fastest lap point probably won't come into it as Merc or RB will use Bottas/Perez to steal fastest lap from the other with a late pit stop
Sort of. What happens if in the final race there isn’t a window to the car behind, and bringing the second driver in for tyres means their teammate wins the drivers’ championship but the team loses the constructors’? I wouldn’t want to be the strategist in that scenario 🙂 (I haven’t even bothered to figure out whether that scenario is even mathematically possible) Though you’d think they’d have that discussion internally before the race so that no-one goes postal when the call is/isn’t made.
Casual observer here who's burning a NOW TV sports pass purchased for some other sports / events. It's definitely more enjoyably that I remember it and the characters introduced in Netflix doc add some colour to the mid-pack / back markers.
But oh my god do I pray that the angry Dutch boy and his Spice Dad manager lose. Which is great cos it means I actually care about the outcome.
Horner and Toto have been paired for this weeks Team Principal press conference.
You only get one feed from the car at a time, they were using the rear facing camera on Verstappens car, so had to wait to download the footage. But even then it’s take nearly 2 full days to come out…
Ah, makes sense. I wrongly assumed they could tap into any camera at any time.
Interesting how they might use the fastest lap point depending on which championship is highest value.
On Sunday Perez picked up the point because he was behind Bottas and had a free stop.
Mercedes could have closed Hamiltons gap to Verstappen by another point by slotting Bottas into 4th and covering that off, although it would cost constructors points.
(I haven’t even bothered to figure out whether that scenario is even mathematically possible)
It is, I posed the question a couple of pages back. Eg. Hamilton leading with FL, Max second, Perez third, gives Hamilton the title by one point and RB the constructors. Pitting Perez takes the point from Hamilton gifting the title to Verstappen, but drops Perez to eighth and costs RB the constructors. Would they do it? Would Merc do it with Bottas if it was other way around?
I thought the team always comes first as the prize money is dependant on the constructors championship?
If there was no chance of winning the constructors but there was a chance of winning drivers then yes I can see the teams trying some funky tactics to take points away from their rivals otherwise it'll be business as usual trying to get the team the maximum number of points.
I thought the team always comes first as the prize money is dependant on the constructors championship?
True. Probably means a lot to someone like Williams but someone like Merc or RB would the publicity and cache of a driver's title be worth more? Who knows🤷♂️
Bored on a conference call earlier and was idling through the FIA site earlier.
Looks like Max did have his rear wing changed under parc ferme.
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I bet Bottas and Perez will be employed as
rolling road blocksmissiles
Probably means a lot to someone like Williams but someone like Merc or RB would the publicity and cache of a driver’s title be worth more?
That's what I was thinking. The driver's title gets more publicity. There is also quite a big connection with the winning driver and the car they were in. Sits in the history books more than who actually won the constructor's
Given his performances so far this season bottarga is more likely to help than hinder max. He doesn’t seem to have grasped the concept of keep max behind you very well so far.
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Yep very good points above. When you ask someone who won in year X? They will immediately think about the driver first and then car they drove.
RB (and to a less extent Merc) are clearly not doing it for the prize money but for marketing reasons and I think having their driver win the world champ in their car is worth more.
With that in mind I can absolutely see RB sacrificing the constructors champ for Max to win. RB also give off the impression that its Team Max, he's their "chosen one" its all about him and not the team so yeah I can totally see them using Perez just to give Max a world champ.
I’m assuming Jos has left Christian in no doubt as to the prospects for his kneecaps if he were to throw Max under the bus 😉
I think if that were to happen then the commercial future for Red Bull in the Netherlands would be along the lines of the Sun in Liverpool.
Who cares? I won.
Pretty much sums it up
Who cares? I won.
Pretty much sums it up
We'll see whether the stewards agree with that summary later - if they decide to admit the new camera footage as evidence for review and then make a decision to either allow everyone to drive like dicks when being passed or actually uphold the rules about forcing other drivers off the track.
