Whilst we are throwing theories about, we don't know it was jihadis, it could equally be the Conservatives shoring up right wing support after labour now look like a credible threat.
matty, still time to edit that offensive garbage.
matty, still time to edit that offensive garbage.
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What have the Tories got to hide?
Just stop everyone.
Yes it probably was terrorism - but let the police do their job. Stop speculating.
Yes we do in Europe have an issue with terrorists who claim to be Muslim - but let the police do their job. Stop speculating.
Celebrate the response of ordinary Mancunians opening their doors to children who needed refuge, who for one night at least were our very own refugees.
And don't let the knee jerk reaction that most of us, including me, want to exhibit cause greater problems down the line.
Just pointing out that we can theorise about anything, but we should wait for more information.
It's a terrible thing to happen and I certainly don't intend to offend.
it could equally be the Conservatives shoring up right wing support after labour now look like a credible threat.
Conspiracy BS. Not helpful to the debate. Not helpful to the victims. Not helpful to the bereaved families. Not helpful or valid in any way shape or form.
Why would you even bother posting that?
I was there with my 10 yr old daughter (her first gig!) we got out OK but it was very scary. I heard the big bang and thought bomb!, grabbed my daughter and got out safely in all the panic. I keep crying a little thinking of all those excited happy young people at the gig and what has emerged since. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this criminal act
LapSteel - man, that's awful. Glad you and yours are okay.
I had a feeling that there was bound to be some STW'rs there.
LapSteel - Hope neither you nor your daughter have any lasting emotional bruising from this. Glad you're both okay
I'm glad you're both ok LapSteel. It must have been terrifying. Stay strong, but make sure you ask for help if you think you might need it - it's not normal to go through what you've gone through and it's ok to find it hard, even if you got out physically unharmed. Look after yourself as well as your daughter.
Totally terrible, Lapsteel. What a hideous turn of events for all involved. 🙁
Glad you're ok matey. Both my kids had people there, my eldest decided tickets were a bit pricey.
I'm 100% certain there are other people much closer to things reading this, some of whom might have people missing, so just ease off on the speculation eh? Bit soon.
Whilst we are throwing theories about, we don't know it was jihadis, it could equally be the Conservatives shoring up right wing support after labour now look like a credible threat.
WTAF? Did you really just type that?
I've been moderated before for writing silly things without thinking. Bu that is properly stupid.
My heart sank when I heard about this attack on the radio this morning.
Not only because of the horror that these poor innocent people involved have been forced to endure which is the real tragedy here.
....but also because I knew that, when I got to work and switched on my computer that the cozy illusion i've constructed for myself would be shattered.
That the bunch of random internet strangers i've chosen to loosely align myself with, who i've chosen to believe are all good guys (and gals) would turn out to be not as nice and reasonable as I had imagined.
I is disappoint. I is not surprise.
Edit: LapSteel - Glad you're okay.
Glad you're both OK, Lapsteel. My wife and 12-year-old daughter were at the same gig two years ago at the Arena, she was up unable to sleep for most of the night, so can only imagine what it's like for you both today.
As for the argue-athon which is developing here - any chance you could take it somewhere else? You don't know who amongst us has been more personally touched by this event and needs support rather than what's filling up this thread.
LapSteel, it's been doing the rounds lately on FB but never a truer time to say it:
Its okay to not be okay.
Take care
Its undeniably an attempt to influence an Election.
The irony is that the perception a vote for the Tories is a vote for strong anti everything government is likely to just get us more of the what led to this type of incident.
Conspiracy BS. Not helpful to the debate. Not helpful to the victims. Not helpful to the bereaved families. Not helpful or valid in any way shape or form.Why would you even bother posting that?
WTAF? Did you really just type that?I've been moderated before for writing silly things without thinking. Bu that is properly stupid
He's making a point.
We don't know the facts.
Until we have the facts it's all just speculation.
HTH.
And he's making it in the only way some people understand. If you're offeneded by the fact that it contradicting your pre-established world view, then you should probably take a look at yourself.
Gah. That is all.
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Whilst we are throwing theories about, we don't know it was jihadis, it could equally be the Conservatives shoring up right wing support after labour now look like a credible threat.
WTAF? Did you really just type that?I've been moderated before for writing silly things without thinking. Bu that is properly stupid.
We're all throwing speculation about. Yes, the balance of probabilities points to it being an attacker aligned with a muslim extremist organisation. But at the same time, you could also say that as the last major attack on Manchester was a catholic extremist organisation, it's just as likely to be the IRA.
What we can say is that it was an act of utter cowardice, with a probable motive to cause panic, terror, and disruption.
LapSteel - glad you guys are ok.
For what it's worth one of my wife's friends did, unlike my wife, go shopping in Manchester that day 20 years ago.
Many years later she was at a medical conference in Russell Square. "Oh that's a bomb" she said. "How would you know?" asked her colleagues. "Oh I was at the Arndale Centre" says she nonchalantly.
She is one of the most balanced, well adjusted people I know. No lasting effects that I can spot.
Why would you even bother posting that?
WTAF? Did you really just type that?I've been moderated before for writing silly things without thinking. Bu that is properly stupid.
I believe the intention was to highlight the ridiculousness / danger in speculating when facts have not been disclosed (which was my point last night).
It may well have "obviously" been a number of things - the police are now saying they're treating it as a terrorist attack until proven otherwise - but sitting there in your underpants going "yeah, well, we all know what happened don't we" isn't helpful. Because, you don't.
It [i]was [/i]probably a terrorist attack, and odds are that it was ISIS related or a similar nutjob faction, but making bold unsubstantiated claims in lieu of facts is the work of Daily Mail headlines, it's distasteful.
Thoughts to all concerned. I too have cried several times this morning, for the people involved but also in pride that my brilliant country, and Manchester in particular this time, immediately rallies around to show that bigotry and terrorism is not tolerated and will not win.
But I can't say it any better than the Bishop of Manchester, David Walker who was interviewed on the Today program as I was driving this morning. 2:52:20 or so onwards but particularly about 2:56 onwards, and dealing with the type of horrible trolling seen in the media and I'm also afraid on here at times.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qxfk6#play
I'm not religious, this wasn't a religious piece, but a secular response to this tragedy. Worth a listen.
If you're offeneded by the fact that it contradicting your pre-established world view, then you should probably take a look at yourself.
[i]Really? [/i]I'm not offended by it at all, so I'll thank you not to patronise me.
I am however '[i]making a point[/i]' that it's totally unhelpful and unfeeling conspiracy theory nonsense. Nonsense that you are defending, sobriety.
Really? I'm not offended by it at all, [u]so I'll thank you not to patronise me.[/u]
#irony
Just stop everyone.
+1. The politicians are taking the day off from campaigning today. We should do the same...
Nothing good is going to come from this conversation. I'd suggest if some people want to make it all about conspiracies, uninformed assumptions and whataboutery, we just ignore them.
Many years later she was at a medical conference in Russell Square. "Oh that's a bomb" she said. "How would you know?" asked her colleagues. "Oh I was at the Arndale Centre" says she nonchalantly.
They are quite distinctive. I was a few hundred metres from an IRA explosion in Camden in the early '90s. It's like a small earthquake (been in one of those too).
Glad you and yours are OK LapSteel. I know it's a cliché and already been said, but it's OK not to be OK. Take care.
You all enjoying your pettty bickering?
Good!
I just drove my 10 and 13 year old daughters to school. Both very upset as they knew people who were going last night, so were hoping they were all still alive. I then drove into work through Salford and Cheetham Hill. The City feels tense. Lots of sirens and helicopters. I get in to where I'm working at the moment to be called into a meeting. We were then informed that an 18 year old colleague was killed at the arena last night.
So could you lot who are busy with your pathetic, petty point-scoring against each other do me a favour...... have some respect and [b]**** OFF!!![/b]
Edited: due to reading Binners post.
Mate, I'm sorry
🙁
Gutted for LapSteel, Binners and anyone else involved in this, it's terrible.
Not feeling too spritely this morning after reading the news. 🙁
Thoughts are with the families affected.
(I agree, this shouldn't be the place for arguing the toss over who is right/wrong, and the ins and outs of terrorism - please stop)
I normally hate to agree with Binners, but.......
Step away from the keyboard.
have some respect
Quite.
Sympathy to those directly affected.
I disagree with the suppression of discussion though so will pop over to the BBC, Sky, ITV and every other media organisation in the world for a broad range of views.
*deleted so as not to descend to the level of certain others*
It's pretty sombre in here. Silent, in fact. Everyone thinking the same, I'm sure..... 18 years old FFS? Whole life in front of them. And for what? Sometimes you're just utterly mystified as to how people are capable of such things 😥
Sickening act of cowardness by absolute scum. These people are a smear on humanity rather than any religion.
Just when I thought they couldn't get any lower..a concert full of young girls..
It's at times like this I hope there is a hell, as whoever is responsible will have a special place in it reserved for them.
That's shit Binners. Sorry mate. 🙁
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My heart sank when I heard about this attack on the radio this morning.
Not only because of the horror that these poor innocent people involved have been forced to endure which is the real tragedy here.....but also because I knew that, when I got to work and switched on my computer that the cozy illusion i've constructed for myself would be shattered.
That the bunch of random internet strangers i've chosen to loosely align myself with, who i've chosen to believe are all good guys (and gals) would turn out to be not as nice and reasonable as I had imagined.I is disappoint. I is not surprised.
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There are a [i]few[/i] who choose to voice thier opinion, whether you like/dislike it it's thier prerogative. The fact that they have no respect or sign of dignity is more worrying.
I have no problem with extremist viewpoints, religious or social, but I choose not to agree or align myself with them.
In situations such as these conspiracy and political beliefs shine, I say let them for those that choose to follow such are brought out into the open and seen for who they actually are.
We are all allowed free speech and political bias, long may that continue.
Being disrespectful and blatantly nasty simply means the believer has yet to form into a human.
Shit, Bin-Bins, that's awful. You're right, it's the age of the targets/victims here that's just so effing tragic.
I'm sure you'll be giving the BinBinettes and extra big hug tonight
Reading through the thread thinking it wasn't something I wanted to be involved with - Thoughts definitely on the lines of binner's post, without the local involvement, but with a friend who regularly takes her 2 daughters to exactly that sort of gig. Thanks binners.
A horrible night.
Awful news. My thoughts go out to all those impacted by last nights truly evil attack.
Awful, driving through Salford this morning and it felt different, tense as Binners put it. Thoughts are with all those impacted. Please anyone affected post your thoughts in here, talk about it.
Thats horrific Binners 🙁
Thoughts are with all those affected.
FFS Binners. ? 🙁
I told my kids on the way to school as we are only 3 or 4 miles away and it will be discussed in morning Assembly. There may be kids from the local high school caught up in it.
My 7 year old daughter asked why anyone would do this. I couldn’t answer.
I don't know anyone in Manchester,but watching the TV seeing the pic of the 15yr girl who is missing with her Mother pleading for info, made me feel very upset....and still does. I have a 16 yr old daughter and it felt very real.
This is a terribly sad day.
