[Closed] Explosions heard at Manchester Arena

My thoughts are with the families and friends of all those caught up in this. From those who were injured and killed through to the wonderful people doing all they can to help.

For those on here who have been directly affected, I'm so sorry for your losses.

The emergency services are amazing aren't they,grateful there are people out there strong enough to do that job and hope they get the support should they need it too.

Eight years old. 🙁

My daughter is eight and I cannot imagine being without her nor imagine what the heartache would be like.

It is heart-wrenchingly sad.

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Some of the interviews with people who were there were/are just heartbreaking hearing them on the radio, for the children who were involved who've survived, this is a situation that it's difficult to imagine them recovering from emotionally, the mental scars are going to be deep ones, and I hope they get the help that they're going to need in the future.
The response from the people of Manchester, and further afield, like Liverpool, has been a true example though of just how people will come to the aid of others without thought for themselves.
The human race at its very best, and I salute them.

For those of you with kids, this is a good article.

In fact **** it, adults should read it too. Particularly adults who behave like kids.

https://live.firstnews.co.uk/news/try-not-to-worry-about-the-news/

The emergency services are amazing aren't they,grateful there are people out there strong enough to do that job and hope they get the support should they need it too

This.

And:

The response from the people of Manchester, and further afield, like Liverpool, has been a true example though of just how people will come to the aid of others without thought for themselves.

The human race at its very best, and I salute them.

This.

ISIS have claimed responsibility.

Maybe we should ask the question of ISIS. What is it you want and what is it you stand for?

The pathetic thing is that they wouldn't be able to say. They don't want anything other than to harm the 99.99999% of the world that don't share their twisted views. What do they 'have'? An area of rocky desert that has been fled by most of the normal residents. Who do they govern? Cowed people who only go along with them out of fear and were unfortunate enough not to get out in time. How do they rule? By fear and fear alone.

So what is ISIS? It is not a political movement. The best description I have heard (in the guardian) was a "homoerotic death cult". It is not representative of Islam any more than the Lebanese 'christian' phalangists who massacred people in refugee camps in 1982 are representative of Christianity.

Should we even try to understand such a thing? They have no programme, no demands, no positive desires. The very definition of nihilism.

We could torture ourselves into trying to find a rationale behind attacks like this, but the only answer we will come back to is nihilism and hatred.

Instead, we need to stand together in our free and embracing society and not be intimidated by a tiny minority of people who stand for nothing. We also must not make the mistake of associating these people with the vast, vast majority of Muslims who go about their daily lives with their faith and don't find made-up reasons to hate others.

Love to Manchester and anyone who has been affected by this.

As Drac points out a page back, ISIS usually does claim responsibility, whether they're responsible or not.

But your summary of Daesh (call them that - it offends them, apparently: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/what-daesh-mean-isis-threatens-6841468) is right on point.

Listening to the news on the radio driving home, there were some really inspiring stories about the heroism displayed by both professionals and members of public. Personally I think I'm going to concentrate on that rather than the idiots who want to vicariously take "credit"

But your summary of Daesh (call them that - it offends them, apparently:

Says a lot about a 'group' when they are offended by being called names and supposedly losing 'face', yet are prepared to behave the way they do.

Anyway, I've expressed my opinion of Daesh.

It probably won't have contributed anything positive (it can't with people like them), but hopefully by realising and reinforcing the fact that our values are so much better than them we can take some solace.

Aye, with you 100% there, Danny.

the fact that our values are so much better than them

Now, I'm not entirely sure what the Mancunian equivalent of a croque-en-bouche is, but I'm willing to bet it would make Binners weak at the knees.

(Contains rude words, but also a ******* great message)

John Oliver is great, his show is well worth a watch. It's basically The Last Leg without Hammond and May or any guests.

Daesh (call them that - it offends them, apparently

Why, out of interest? What's it mean?

Why, out of interest? What's it mean?

What's it mean?

See video above.

Now, I'm not entirely sure what the Mancunian equivalent of a croque-en-bouche is

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But the term "Daesh" (or Da'ish) has also gained currency, both in the Middle East and further afield, and has been used as a way of challenging the legitimacy of the group due to the negative connotations of the word.
Daesh is essentially an Arabic acronym formed from the initial letters of the group's previous name in Arabic - "al-Dawla al-Islamiya fil Iraq wa al-Sham". Although it does not mean anything as a word in Arabic, it sounds unpleasant and the group's supporters object to its use.
Daesh also sounds similar to an Arabic verb that means to tread underfoot, trample down, or crush something.

@Cougar - it's an acronym apparently - [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/daesh-isis-cameron-syria-air-strikes-a6757241.html ]this piece[/url] explains more and partly why it upsets them

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Revolution just around the corner.

dannyh i would ask yourself where daesch get there money, and in a way why we're all guilty.

yeah possibly, but too many libtards about now. something needs to be done, and everyone in downing street knows it. but to fund two jags and endless holidays its just easier to have uncontrolled borders and turn blind eyes.
read something the other day and an illegal immigrant, who had overstayed a working visa by 6 years and was still living in the uk, raped a 16 yo girl.

rmacattack - today is not the day to admit you follow Katie Hopkins. Leave it out.

read something the other day and an illegal immigrant, who had overstayed a working visa by 6 years and was still living in the uk, raped a 16 yo girl.

Oh, FFS.

No white English man ever raped anyone, of course...

you did not read about the immigrant who donated their organs on their death to save others then or the one who is a heart surgeon or the one who delivered Brexit - Bloody Boris eh 🙄

Actually why am i engaging with someone who says libtard - its just like when someone says I am not racist but

its the point of no checks of who enters or leaves.

something needs to be done

OK, genius - what needs to be done?

Invade a Middle-eastern country or two?

Bomb a few villages?

'Cos all that shite has worked REALLY well up to now, hasn't it?

[quote=rmacattack ]its the point of no checks of who enters or leaves.

so its something you made up that does not happen that concerns you

How would you like us to help you ?

Facts? Do they work on you?

its the point of no checks of who enters or leaves.

Except that's utter cobblers, of course.

Don't get your "facts" from the Daily Mail and Nigel Farage.

i think we have seen already in europe what a neutral attitude archives

anyone any idea what they just made up now?

The man who did this was Manchester born,
How some one who was born here ends up doing this I don't know,.
I'm sure we will find out more over the following days, along with more details of the innocent people who sadly were killed and maimed by him.

i think we have seen already in europe what a neutral attitude achieves

Prosperity?

Tolerance?

Inclusivity?

Plenty of that in some parts of Europe - less of it where people with your attitude hold sway.

Funny, that...

Big problems ahead, I think most people feel this now.

How some one who was born here ends up doing this I don't know.

A question which goes to the heart of the matter: this crap happens [i]because some people are broken[/i]. not because they're Muslim.

The religious dimension just gives them a cause to hang their brokenness on.

And (hope I don't sound like a Libtard here - I'd hate that...) abuse and disenfranchise people enough, and you create a willing pool of vulnerable, easily-swayed potential "martyrs" who are easy to persuade that they've got nothing left to lose in this life.

F***ing religion...

i think we have seen already in europe what a neutral attitude archives

I see what you did there, Roger...

[i]read something the other day and an illegal immigrant, who had overstayed a working visa by 6 years and was still living in the uk, raped a 16 yo girl. [/i]

And in another part of the world someone else is being brainwashed with hatred too. 🙄

this crap happens because some people are broken. not because they're Muslim.

Absolutely

So why was this needed?

F***ing religion...

Or did I miss the intended irony?

Badnewz

What are these big problems ahead you forsee? 21years ago my city was torn apart by terrorists. We rebuilt. London, Madrid, Paris, Istanbul, Sydney, Oklahoma, New York have all recovered. The only issue is people making the actions of a lone wolf into a much bigger thing than it is. Politicians need to cool these situations down not stoke the fires of hatred. America didn't wipeout White Supremacists after Timothy McVey did they?

We will rebuild, we won't let the bastards grind us down, including the hate peddlers on the streets today, we will overcome. In short FAC EM.

Religion is a CANCER.
Except Anglicanism, which is more like a wort.

@Twistedpencil, you may well be right, Manchester may go through a "We will rebuid" process. I just have the feeling the political temperature of the UK was already boiling, and that England is well overdue a Revolution.
Lots of anger out there, which has been building for around 18 years.
Revolutions don't achieve much, but they let off steam.

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Sympathies to all on here touched by it and no end of admiration for the emergency services (and the many others who have stepped up)

Stop now please or I will ban you

We've members on here effected by this tradegy they've asked for no pathetic arguing.

**** off of to the Daily Mail pages if you want to argue.

[b]binners - Member
You all enjoying your pettty bickering?

Good!

I just drove my 10 and 13 year old daughters to school. Both very upset as they knew people who were going last night, so were hoping they were all still alive. I then drove into work through Salford and Cheetham Hill. The City feels tense. Lots of sirens and helicopters. I get in to where I'm working at the moment to be called into a meeting. We were then informed that an 18 year old colleague was killed at the arena last night.

So could you lot who are busy with your pathetic, petty point-scoring against each other do me a favour...... have some respect and **** OFF!!![/b]

Revolution my arse, we are already rebuilding. The city was not a ghost town today, it was not a fearful place, a little sombre perhaps.

Most of the panicking came from those on social media telling me shots had been fired in the Arndale, that explosions were going off around the suburbs'.

This is Manchester, we don't do violence, we drop pills and hug each other. There may be the odd barney but the wider community will come together.

Just what do we have to revolt about? It's a great time to be alive and it's only the power crazed and easily led that'll tell you otherwise.

Peace out.

A libtard.

I dont care for peoples opinions on who did this terrible act or why they did it,when the investigation is still ongoing and not being fueled by google searches i care for those families and freinds who have lost loved ones, who are going to have to live with disfiguring and life changing injuries, some children and adults have still not been located.

I do care for the great care offered by all the responders, the emergency services, the by standers who ran to help, those who donated free food and drink, those who supplied free lifts home, phone calls, rooms and hotel beds etc.

Lets just remember all of the above, the people who rallied round to support each other, regardless of age, colour , religion or political beliefs.

Once again.

STOP.

I've deleted the last 2 posts next time I won't stop there.

Show some respect please.

Friend on Facebook that is a student at Salford Uni just shared an email that every student there has received. Apparently the attacker was a student at the university.

Thinking of those involved.
Proud of my home city today.

Love to all.

who moderates the mods?

some people really dont know when to stop.
enjoy your enforced holiday ramac

The threat level has now be raised to "CRITICAL" the highest level, by theressa may the army are now allowed onto the streets and at large events etc as added protection.

Operation Temperer

I've just read on the internet "They shut the Arndale for 30 mins.... b4stards can't even stop us Mancs from shopping!"
Love it!
Albert Square was a privilege. EDL morons not so but democracy prevails.
Looking forward to the Manchester Games this weekend. No surrender. We are not afraid. The city is ours.

Because I've had a really really difficult day, and having it held it together, mostly, then cried a lot of the way home. Yet people on here seem intent on being utter bell ends, I'm just going to put this up there.

My friend Jane did this, She, like me, has struggled through today, but instead of being an argumentative cockwomble on an internet forum, did something beautiful that sums up the spirit of this amazing city which I am prouder than ever of today. And I've been in love with all my life anyway. I love this place! And I love these people. And anyone who knows this place knows that the last thing you want to do is piss off the people who live here. We're the most hospitable people on the planet. Shove that back in our faces? There may be 'issues'

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Love wins!

Thats great,hope it becomes a symbol of all thats been achieved to bring people together today.

The threat level has now be raised to "CRITICAL" the highest level, by theressa may the army are now allowed onto the streets and at large events etc as added protection.

I may be very cynical here, May has had a bad week, GE approaching polls moving away from her. How best to appear "Strong and Stable." If you want to bring people with you the best way is always to find a "them".

I have no faith in her abilities, i have no faith that she is the right person to begin dealing with this crap. After all she was the person who led the go home campaign, treat people as scum and you will get bitten. I have yet to see any evidence that she wants an inclusive country, which IMO is the first step to dealing with a lot of this crap.

Binners - any objections from you or Jane if people borrow that?

please spread that far and wide igm

The threat level has now be raised to "CRITICAL" the highest level

How do I change the laminated sheet at my work that is at severe?

Because I've had a really really difficult day, and having it held it together, mostly, then cried a lot of the way home. Yet people on here seem intent on being utter bell ends, I'm just going to put this up there. My friend Jane did this, She, like me, has struggled through today, but instead of being an argumentative cockwomble on an internet forum, did something beautiful that sums up the spirit of this amazing city which I am prouder than ever of today. And I've been in love with all my life anyway. I love this place! And I love these people. And anyone who knows this place knows that the last thing you want to do is piss off the people who live here. We're the most hospitable people on the plant. Shove that back in our faces? There may be 'issues'

Bravo!

I've used your words and the pic as they are appt for any social media.

This is Manchester, we don't do violence, we drop pills and hug each other. There may be the odd barney but the wider community will come together.

I've stayed away from this thread because I had a fair idea of how it would go so I don't know if this has been posted already but if it has there's no harm in it cropping up at least once on every page:

[url= https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/westandtogethermanchester ]Just giving page to support the families of those killed and injured in the Manchester attack [/url]

The money raised won't make anybody affected feel any better but it might give them one less thing to worry about whilst they work through the unthinkable situation they find themselves in.

I'm sure we could all spare five or ten quid.

Love wins!

I think Peter Saville would highly approve of that pic.
Nice one.

rmacattack : reign in yer absolute bile would you?, this thread is no place for such utter banal drivel.

Good on you binners for posting that.

binners - Member
Because I've had a really really difficult day, and having it held it together, mostly, then cried a lot of the way home. Yet people on here seem intent on being utter bell ends, I'm just going to put this up there.

My friend Jane did this, She, like me, has struggled through today, but instead of being an argumentative cockwomble on an internet forum, did something beautiful that sums up the spirit of this amazing city which I am prouder than ever of today. And I've been in love with all my life anyway. I love this place! And I love these people. And anyone who knows this place knows that the last thing you want to do is piss off the people who live here. We're the most hospitable people on the planet. Shove that back in our faces? There may be 'issues'

Manchester by bin lid, on Flickr

Love wins!

+lots, and borrowed the artwork for my Facemither profile.

Well done binners for adding some much needed perspective.
As demonstrated, it's easy to get carried away with all of the emotion.
22 lives extinguished. 22 families are without their children. These mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters will all wake up tomorrow only to remember their loss.
I'll think about that and let those able to do something about it worry about who did it and why.

Binners.

My heartfelt, & sincere condolences to yourself, your colleagues and your family tonight.

I have no direct links to anyone involved, I'm well on the other side of the Pennines and I have no real association with Manchester other than traveling round the M60 on my way to Liverpool frequently.
But this morning I cried while watching the news. When the police spokesman confirmed that children were among the dead then that just set something off in me. What sort of lowlife scum purposefully targets innocent children?? That is beyond sick and beyond comprehension.
My kids aren't old enough yet to be aware of what's going on but I've spent a lot of today wondering how I would explain something like this to them if I had to.
On the other side I spent 3 hours in the car tonight listening to the stories of the good people of Manchester who have done every little thing they can do to help in some way. No matter how small, people want to help. It's in our nature and it's what makes us great and it makes me proud to be human.

For those of you directly affected by last night I can only offer you my sympathies. Words won't change what has happened but they can help you to cope and understand. I'm not much of a one for talking about feelings, but as someone said earlier.. it's ok to not be ok.

Also, does anyone have a link to any footage of the poet who did the This Is The Place performance at the Manchester vigil? I've only heard the audio on the radio, but that was powerful stuff.

who moderates the mods?

Good vibes to you Binners.

Here you go PocPoc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-manchester-40021884/manchester-attack-poet-s-defiant-words-for-crowds-at-vigil

Can I also say the mods on here have done very well under somewhat trying circumstances at times today.

Thanks.

I fell asleep post nights so the odd one got though but we've tried to keep abreast of it.

Credit where it's due though a huge majority of you showed respect and some of the normal suspects stop posting which was great to see thanks for that.

I was in London when our Irish friends were voicing their opinions via bombs. That atmosphere of resolute refusal to be cowed was remarkable. I see the same from Manchester today.

Binners,

Speaking as a Greater Manc in exile (originally from Farnworth but lived in Mcr for many years) the picture you posted is wonderful. I will spread it around here in Norway

Amongst the horror, some comfort to be found in the acts of those who instantly reacted by trying to help.

One thing that made me smile - many mentions of offers of... tea.

"There's been a bloody terrorist attack! Quick, put the kettle on!"

Keep calm. Carry on. 😉

I'll echo the sentiments and condolences to all those affected, both forum members and the greater public.
I'm from the other side of the Pennines but have been to the arena, taking my then 8yo to a show.
I just hope that those who escaped physically unscathed do not carry with them the images of what they may have seen, and what they have gone through, without seeking some support.
I cannot, and don't wish to, imagine the scenes that some people will have experienced.
How the emergency services cope with what they must have been greeted with running into that, to help others, is staggering.

Stood in Albert Square last night listening to Longfella's poem, surrounded by my fellow's, thinking of my kids, was one of the most moving moments of my life. Shed a few tears along with lots of strangers around me.

Through utter tragedy, the spirit of decent honest hard working people shines through.

Choose love, Manchester!

Heard it this morning Dave. Here it is. Beautiful! Powerful! Sums it up perfectly. This Place. Choose Love!!

Still feeling pretty torn up about this this morning. There are young kids at my daughter's school with reported life-changing injuries. So awful.

And that will be the picture across the whole north of England, not just the city itself - thousands of kids came from the surrounding counties, including mine.

Let's hope United give the whole city something to smile about by winning tonight, even though I support the other lot.