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Nothing good is going to come from this conversation. I'd suggest if some people want to make it all about conspiracies, uninformed assumptions and whataboutery, we just ignore them.
Many years later she was at a medical conference in Russell Square. "Oh that's a bomb" she said. "How would you know?" asked her colleagues. "Oh I was at the Arndale Centre" says she nonchalantly.
They are quite distinctive. I was a few hundred metres from an IRA explosion in Camden in the early '90s. It's like a small earthquake (been in one of those too).
Glad you and yours are OK LapSteel. I know it's a cliché and already been said, but it's OK not to be OK. Take care.
You all enjoying your pettty bickering?
Good!
I just drove my 10 and 13 year old daughters to school. Both very upset as they knew people who were going last night, so were hoping they were all still alive. I then drove into work through Salford and Cheetham Hill. The City feels tense. Lots of sirens and helicopters. I get in to where I'm working at the moment to be called into a meeting. We were then informed that an 18 year old colleague was killed at the arena last night.
So could you lot who are busy with your pathetic, petty point-scoring against each other do me a favour...... have some respect and [b]**** OFF!!![/b]
Edited: due to reading Binners post.
Mate, I'm sorry
🙁
Gutted for LapSteel, Binners and anyone else involved in this, it's terrible.
Not feeling too spritely this morning after reading the news. 🙁
Thoughts are with the families affected.
(I agree, this shouldn't be the place for arguing the toss over who is right/wrong, and the ins and outs of terrorism - please stop)
I normally hate to agree with Binners, but.......
Step away from the keyboard.
have some respect
Quite.
Sympathy to those directly affected.
I disagree with the suppression of discussion though so will pop over to the BBC, Sky, ITV and every other media organisation in the world for a broad range of views.
*deleted so as not to descend to the level of certain others*
It's pretty sombre in here. Silent, in fact. Everyone thinking the same, I'm sure..... 18 years old FFS? Whole life in front of them. And for what? Sometimes you're just utterly mystified as to how people are capable of such things 😥
Sickening act of cowardness by absolute scum. These people are a smear on humanity rather than any religion.
Just when I thought they couldn't get any lower..a concert full of young girls..
It's at times like this I hope there is a hell, as whoever is responsible will have a special place in it reserved for them.
That's shit Binners. Sorry mate. 🙁
perchypanther - Member
My heart sank when I heard about this attack on the radio this morning.
Not only because of the horror that these poor innocent people involved have been forced to endure which is the real tragedy here.....but also because I knew that, when I got to work and switched on my computer that the cozy illusion i've constructed for myself would be shattered.
That the bunch of random internet strangers i've chosen to loosely align myself with, who i've chosen to believe are all good guys (and gals) would turn out to be not as nice and reasonable as I had imagined.I is disappoint. I is not surprised.
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There are a [i]few[/i] who choose to voice thier opinion, whether you like/dislike it it's thier prerogative. The fact that they have no respect or sign of dignity is more worrying.
I have no problem with extremist viewpoints, religious or social, but I choose not to agree or align myself with them.
In situations such as these conspiracy and political beliefs shine, I say let them for those that choose to follow such are brought out into the open and seen for who they actually are.
We are all allowed free speech and political bias, long may that continue.
Being disrespectful and blatantly nasty simply means the believer has yet to form into a human.
Shit, Bin-Bins, that's awful. You're right, it's the age of the targets/victims here that's just so effing tragic.
I'm sure you'll be giving the BinBinettes and extra big hug tonight
Reading through the thread thinking it wasn't something I wanted to be involved with - Thoughts definitely on the lines of binner's post, without the local involvement, but with a friend who regularly takes her 2 daughters to exactly that sort of gig. Thanks binners.
A horrible night.
Awful news. My thoughts go out to all those impacted by last nights truly evil attack.
Awful, driving through Salford this morning and it felt different, tense as Binners put it. Thoughts are with all those impacted. Please anyone affected post your thoughts in here, talk about it.
Thats horrific Binners 🙁
Thoughts are with all those affected.
FFS Binners. ? 🙁
I told my kids on the way to school as we are only 3 or 4 miles away and it will be discussed in morning Assembly. There may be kids from the local high school caught up in it.
My 7 year old daughter asked why anyone would do this. I couldn’t answer.
I don't know anyone in Manchester,but watching the TV seeing the pic of the 15yr girl who is missing with her Mother pleading for info, made me feel very upset....and still does. I have a 16 yr old daughter and it felt very real.
This is a terribly sad day.
RIP to the victims.
I only heard the news during the early hour of this morning ...
Binners and Lapsteel - sorry to hear you were caught up in it. @ Binners, especially sorry about your young colleague.
[b]Remember, it may hit hard later: come back here for support.[/b]
A couple of people I work with were there last night. One with both his daughters left just before it happened. The other apparently made sure his family was safe and went back in to help the injured.
(Am taken back to that feeling of not knowing if my FIL was OK when he was working in New York on 9/11.)
#lovemanchester
Edited - blood banks have changed update..
Not a time for political point scoring, but a time for good people to come together, and my heart goes out to anyone affected, these were innocents and no-one of any faith, creed or colour deserves this.
Colleagues g/f has just texted him to say the Arndale has been evacuated...
prayers and thoughts go out to the families of the victims and anyone else affected by last nights tragedy....whoever was responsible for it they are nothing nothing but evil and cowardly scumbags!!
@ Lapsteel glad you got out safely
@ Binners so sorry to hear about your colleague
big salute to the emergency services for their response and to all the local hotels and residents who offered those affected somewhere to stay the night.
theres still more to be done...heard on the radio that they're short of type O Neg blood and need urgent donations
there are still lots of children and parents who are still trying to be reunited with their loved ones and many more have been seen wandering around near the venue waiting to be treated and helped.
now is not the time to see who can come out with the best smart ass comment or to point the finger of blame at anyone....let the police do their job
right now we need to show solidarity and unity and say to those who would do such a heinous act...
[b]WE ARE MANCHESTER AND TOGETHER WE STAND....YOU WILL NOT DEFEAT US EVER!![/b]
wors - Member
Colleagues g/f has just texted him to say the Arndale has been evacuated...
Victoria coach station was also evacuated this morning. Security rather understandably twitchy.
zokes - Still not a customer
Ooof
I really wish I hadn't read that. Please post a warning to others.
theres still more to be done...heard on the radio that they're short of type O Neg blood and need urgent donations
I changed my post above, my wife's cousin works for NHS in Manchester and they have said Type O is low, but that they have enough to deal and not to just turn up without appointment, people should though register to donate and do so in the coming weeks as stocks will now run low, but Official Blood Service Twitter asks people not to turn up
Follow here: @givebloodNHS for an update.
Colleagues g/f has just texted him to say the Arndale has been evacuated...
There's a video of a man being arrested at the Arndale Centre, you never know how credible these things are until weeks after the fact, but the guy being taken away by Police on Twitter is a white guy, shaved head, combat trousers and those massive boots that lace up almost to the knee.
[url= https://twitter.com/MotherLeopard92/status/866959220066979840 ]Link[/url]
Arndale centre in Manchester has now been evacuated.
I thought about the Manchester STW massive when I read the news this morning, truly awful for all concerned.
My wife works at John Rylands Library on Deansgate. She set off at 6:30 this morning with her “defiant face" on and had to walk a fair distance to get in on time.
I kind of wish she hadn’t.
Hopefully she’ll stay out of the public spaces today and go and work in the vault. She’s braver than me though.
Desperately sad day.
Binners and Lapsteel - sorry to hear and thoughts with those affected.
Like wise to most I awoke to this news at 6;30am with a panicing wife , she works at Griffin house, next to the Mcds in the arena shocked worried and unsure what today will bring , im sat here glued to the news and radio worrying like most.
Speculation is just that, as others have said reflex and praise those who came to others aid ,offered help assistance and did their job with courage and resolve. The police and other services will have their day.
My wife works at John Rylands Library on Deansgate. She set off at 6:30 this morning to get in on time with her “defiant” face on and had to walk a fair distance to get in.I kind of wish she hadn’t.
Hopefully she’ll stay out of the public spaces today and go and work in the vault. She’s braver than me though.
Same here, mine's just been evacuated from her work near the Arndale, hopefully it's just because of some idiot per P-Jay's link. My usual attitude to this stuff is that the best response is just to go on as normal to show they can't get to you, but it's a bit different when you're up close to it.
Arndale centre in Manchester has now been evacuated.
They're letting people back in now I believe.
So sorry to hear some of you were very close to this terrible tragedy.
I can remember our house shaking in 1996 when the IRA set off that huge bomb in Docklands, and also remember a couple of tense hours trying to get hold of my brother on 7/7 as he worked in Russell square at the time.
I also take my daughters to shows/concerts and can imagine the horror of this happening in a packed venue.
Take care of each other - and don't lose sight of the fact that one despicable sh*tbag caused this, but hundreds of regular people dropped everything to help, both the professionals and local people.
Running into a crisis whilst everyone else is running away takes a special kind of person, regardless of training/uniform.
My wife works at John Rylands Library on Deansgate. She set off at 6:30 this morning with her “defiant face" on and had to walk a fair distance to get in on time.I kind of wish she hadn’t.
Hopefully she’ll stay out of the public spaces today and go and work in the vault. She’s braver than me though.
i know how you feel Harry....my wife works in City Tower right outside of Picadilly Gardens...wish she had just said she was going to work from home...
Running into a crisis whilst everyone else is running away takes a special kind of person, regardless of training/uniform
To use a corney phrase.
Superheroes don't always wear capes.
My heart out to people on here directly effect. I've just wok from nights and have the TV on, watching footage of teenage girls around my daughter's age scrambling to get away is just heartbreaking.
LapSteel, sorry to hear you were caught up in it, glad to hear you're all safe. Best wishes with coming to terms with it and as others have said, it's OK to not be OK.
Binners, sorry about your young colleague. Best wishes to all of you impacted by it.
Apologies if anything I've said has seemed petty, and for contributing to the squabbling. The well-being of all involved is the most important thing.
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binners - Member
You all enjoying your pettty bickering?Good!
I just drove my 10 and 13 year old daughters to school. Both very upset as they knew people who were going last night, so were hoping they were all still alive. I then drove into work through Salford and Cheetham Hill. The City feels tense. Lots of sirens and helicopters. I get in to where I'm working at the moment to be called into a meeting. We were then informed that an 18 year old colleague was killed at the arena last night.
So could you lot who are busy with your pathetic, petty point-scoring against each other do me a favour...... have some respect and **** OFF!!!
So very sorry youve lost a workmate/freind, i cant imagine what feelings you now have, but stay strong,ignore the point scoring idiots on here, and thanks for posting the above,hopefully will bring the idiots down to earth.
But one things for sure the people of Manchester and the uk will rally round and offer support and help to all that need it.
Amidst the despair, there are countless stories of people being awesome.
Sikhs, muslims, christian, atheist cab drivers running their cabs through the night for free. Temples opening their doors for anybody needing somewhere safe for shelter. No doubt coppers, emergency services personnel working through exhaustion without a second thought.
It's that Fred Rogers quote again isn't it:
[i]When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, ‘Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.[/i]
The retweets of missing kids are ****ing heartbreaking.
Apologies for any inferred mawkishness but we all struggle to see positives after these events but they're out there.
And then there's Katie ****ing Hopkins spreading hate.
Two types of people try to win when this happens. Terrorists and Bigots (who just do the terrorists' work for them in a roundabout way).
Just been in Piccadilly station. Cops everywhere, some of them armed with machine guns. Kids with Ariana t-shirts looking like ghosts, and loads of journalists with cameras and other kit. It's a surreal and disturbing scene.
Lapsteel and Binners, thoughts are with you and to anyone caught up in this, awful, cowardly act.
Oh Binners that's awful, I'm so sorry, for your colleague and for those left behind. Take care fella.
Lapsteel and Binners, thoughts are with you and to anyone caught up in this, awful, cowardly act.
+1
Little miss irelanst got an uncomfortably long (for her) hug at the school gates this morning.
Spinningfields and Rylands have been evacuated but they are letting them back in.
Some understandably twitchy security.
I would have thought a bunch of people in the street presents a bigger target than a bunch of people dispersed throughout a building.
I believe an arrest of a 23yr old has been made already in Chorlton in connection with this awful incident.
Islamic State have claimed responsibility.
Terrible.
My home town.
So could you lot who are busy with your pathetic, petty point-scoring against each other do me a favour...... have some respect and **** OFF!!!
I usually stay away from these topics but I couldn't agree more with that.
I've noticed lately that more and more topics seem to be ending up as the same old people just turning things into a stupid argument. Have a good look at yourselves will you, it's getting pretty tiresome now.
Thoughts to anybody involved in this 🙁
Islamic State have claimed responsibility.
Of course they will always do but often they have no connection.
Brother is in Chorlton and said the Police helicopter is hovering overhead following the arrest, he says it's ****ed up round there unsurprisingly. Awful times. I'd never let this sort of thing stop me living my life but my oldest daughter is 9 and will be wanting to go to this sort of event soon no doubt.......
Thoughts with all those affected.
Of course they will always do but often they have no connection.
Agreed
Thoughts with all thoughs caught up in this horrific act.
I know this isnt the time or place, but what can you do when one mans mental state has been altered that much that they are happy to take their own life, and in an area where they know it will mainly be children. Its not religion that does this 🙁
An 8 year old has been name. 8 FFS what on earth has she done to deserve this? 😥
Just saw that Drac. Tragic.
Just awful. The reporting breaking the news started to break down.
So, so sad
Sorry to hear that Binners. Stay strong mate.
Lapsteel, sent a chill down my back... so glad you got out.
Hug your nearest and dearest people.
The 8 year old that was killed was there with her mum and sister....both of whom were found injured being treated at different hospitals apparently. How bloody awful is that 🙁
An 8 year old has been name. 8 FFS what on earth has she done to deserve this?
the worst thing is there are 20 more victims who have yet to be named...some of whom will also be of a similar age...just heartbreaking 🙁
My daughter and some friends are making banners for this evenings vigil in Albert Square. 6:00pm in case anybody was wondering.
"Stay Strong r' Kid", "Stronger Manchester" and "The City Is Ours" (not affiliated to MCFC though). Lots of worker bee images as well.
Thoughts with those involved.
Controlled explosion in Fallowfield has just been reported.
In other positive news.
Cafes, Asda and Tesco have been supplying emergency services with food and refreshment supplies all for free.
People really are marvellous.
CBS are reporting the name of the bomber. US security services releasing more info currently than ours - wonder why? (Genuine question that)
Because the police ask them not to, because it tips off people who may be related to the plot that the police are on their case.
Because US media are some how more vial than the UKs.
.
Might have been a D notice issued to ask the media not to.
I know this isnt the time or place, but what can you do when one mans mental state has been altered that much that they are happy to take their own life, and in an area where they know it will mainly be children. Its not religion that does this
If you want to stop it, those who are willing to die aren't the people to go after. The people you want are the ones who benefit.
But if you treat those who are susceptible to radicalisation as ****s you are half way to pushing them over the edge. There is a reason internment, torture, etc don't work, you breed resentment, you breed hate.
"Stay Strong r' Kid", "Stronger Manchester" and "The City Is Ours" (not affiliated to MCFC though). Lots of worker bee images as well.
People really are marvellous.
Dusty in here isn't it.
Got my Bee printed off and attached to my back pack. Cycling over to Albert Square in a bit.
Just heard that a student at the school I teach at Weds-Fri is missing still, and one more was injured. 🙁
My work colleague and friend was waiting for his daughter when the blast went off. His daughter is safe however he is in hospital with serious leg injuries.
Cant put into words the way I feel.
At the weekend we found out some twins who go horse riding with one of my daughters had just lost their mum to suicide and that upset me (being dad to twins of the same age and knowing the family) - so much so I have been having nightmares about it since (really not like me) then to wake to that news this morning really shook me. In two weeks we are due to give our girls tickets to see Little Mix as 8th birthday presents and I now don't want to - it all seems to close to home 🙁
Johndoh - I can understand.
My best man and I are taking my 11 year old to see ZZ Top at the Manchester Academy.
The don't want to is in my head too. But it ain't going to win.
They are not going to stop me living while I'm still alive. End of.
bit late to this, but, lost for words, the news is just awful
Awful day. I went to bed around 11.30pm and at that time it was being reported that there were 2 confirmed deaths and the most likely cause was due to a panic from a burst balloon or pyrotechnic malfunction. I woke at 4.30 to see what had unfolded and came straight into work. Throughout the morning I've spoken to staff who were going home 20 hrs after they arrived at work. Many of them had given first aid to dying victims inside the arena. Some of them clearly have been massively affected by what they had seen and have been told to take a minimum of 10 hrs rest before returning to duty.
I know that the likelihood is that every one of them will be in now or on their way back in as I type.
Huge thanks and thoughts to your colleagues Bregante. We train for it but we can not comprehend or mentally deal with the aftermath.
Thank you Russ... to all your colleagues and all the emergency services.