I think the plan, such as it is, is to fall back on WTO rules until the rest of the World realises that they can't do without us and falls over themselves to sign trade deals with us.
rkk01 - that's a good summary of where we are with stats debate. Anything that's left to argue is pure bingo.
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We're going to need a bigger navy, then.
[quote=”molgrips”]You cannot just get off a plane and LOOK for work.Never said they could. They get off the plane and work.
Same for most non-EU applicants.They have to be the only applicant for a job that has previously been advertised and could not be filled by an EU citizen. At least in the case of the US they do.
You need to move from a field with massive spare capacity, to one with a massive shortage. O&G is seeing massive layoffs, and there has always been a steady stream of people moving in for the money. Where I am there is a massive shortage, locally unemployment in my field is pretty much zero, we’ve been asked to contact anyone, mates, ex uni colleagues (25 years since I’ve seen any of them) people off the street (not quite, but they are getting desperate). One of our competitors is leafleting the commuter trains. FWIW my last job has been up on the internal board for 8 months, advertised nationally/EU for 6 and open to *anyone* for 2. They’ve interviewed about half a dozen, no one adequately qualified/experienced. I’ve even posted it on my Facebook. One of the guys in our tea club is in the same boat. They’ve had to get a contractor in for his as his department dipped under minimum resource level. The contractor is bloody useless, but the best they can get. On our job board today there are about 20% of the engineering jobs that have been on longer than 3 months.For that to happen it has to be a pretty specialist role. So the fact that you see Americans, Canadians and Australians working here does not mean that it's easy - except for the young person visa for the last two iirc.
So I’m not massively surprised that chewkws mates struggle, accountants are pretty much 10 a penny unless they are in very odd sections of the industry, and recruitment to university departments is notoriously flakey. So I’m not surprised they dropped the ball.
[quote="bencooper"]We're going to need a bigger navy, then.And they'll have to get the dirty furriners to build it too.
kimbers - MemberRephrased for Ernie.... Don't let the racists/xenophobes win, vote remain
At least some people aren't being complacent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/21/mps-investigate-far-right-wake-jo-cox-killing
I haven't got a clue wtf you are on about. Your link mentions absolutely nothing about voting remain, or even the EU.
And what do you mean by "At least some people aren't being complacent" ? Are you accusing me of being complacent about the threat of violence from neo-nazi racist thugs?
I dunno, maybe its too early in the day and I'm being daft, but can you explain in simple easy to understand terms wtf you are on about kimbers?
rkk01 - "from a friends FB share"
. . .The source of all credibility. Silly.
THM - just a little trip arranged at the last minute by a local travel agent 🙂
wheel2wheel - Member
rkk01 - "from a friends FB share". . .The source of all credibility. Silly.
have a read and a look up and tell us which one's are wrong then (with actual facts if you could)
"Just because you want to have control over immigration does not mean you are a closet racist!"
This.
Also it's hilarious that helping ourselves to the best and brightest people from poorer EU countries for the economic and cultural benefits they bring us is sold as the moral high ground!
. . .The source of all credibility. Silly.
Whereas the IFS, BoE, OECD etc etc .... ??
"Just because you want to have control over immigration does not mean you are a closet racist!"This.
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drop the closet.
So if the anti-immigration side aren't racist, why exactly do we need to curb immigration? When the statistics show that it is not a burden?
drop the closet.
Yep. It's more likely to mean that you're a raging racist who is calling on nazi thugs to murder innocent people in the street.
So you better vote Remain to prove that you're not.
Others complaining about cancelled operations. As if that's the EU's fault? **** hell.
But, but... if we weren't paying into the EU we could build a new hospital every week. Yeah, like you would.
What they actually want to exempt us from is the European Convention of Human Rights
Yes I spotted this one in the Leave leaflet - advocated by a former head of MI6. "Waterboarding? OK that's one board each, queue up on the left".
Build bridges, not fences. I've lived my life that way and I'm not about to stop. I'm voting in because I believe in peace, justice and human rights.
+1
How many more civil servants will we need?
Ah, jobs for the boys?
"have a read and a look up and tell us which one's are wrong then (with actual facts if you could)"
Cliché laden made for FB virtue signalling dross, straw man arguments , poor attempt to bypass Godwin's law.
Insufferable dross.
Yes it contains some facts, that make a compelling case for leave.
. .The source of all credibility. Silly.
Generally true but that is well argued
Are you able to negate the points or do you just wish to slag off the platform it was presented on?
New hospital you say? Could get you one of those, know a bloke who knows a bloke...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Stanley_Hospital
just a snip at $2bn Australian
So about 1bn UK shall we devide that by [s]350 Million[/s] 100 Million and see how many weekly insatllments that is 😉
Yes it contains some facts, that make a compelling case for leave.
Care to point those out for those of us that are hard of telepathy?
Gove on Radio 4 this am - sticking fingers in ears going la la la to the market forecasts of a 15% Sterling drop on Friday 🙁
What are they on.
At least have the credibility and conviction in their views to say "it's going to be a bit shit for a while*, but we regard that as a price worth paying to 'take back control'".
Just dismissing the views of almost every expert is just delusional.
Farage is was the same on R4 yesterday - sound bites from gobshites
Charlatans and snake oil salesmen
It was interesting to hear him dismiss them all then pull on the one expert who did agree with him and then do an [ incorrect ] appeal to Delores authority, I also like the way he slagged of [EU} politicians in office as unable to say the truth[ so all liars] without any hint of self awareness about his own position.
TBH , shit that he was in actually being intellectually rigorous and honest, he did the interview well
THat is a shocking damnation of the fact they dint answer the questions and the interviewers don't just rip them apart for being hypocrites
Not just a Gove point but it was all that was bad in politics.
rkk01 - "from a friends FB share"
. . .The source of all credibility. Silly.
Silly me.
I thought I'd be honest about where I got it from - but of course, that's not the game here is it...
I actually read the content and thought - yep, that's a good summary.
As others have said, feel free to challenge the factual content - as there's not much point challenging the source because I've been honest about where it came from
Gove on Radio 4 this am - sticking fingers in ears going la la la to the market forecasts of a 15% Sterling drop on Friday
Short term noise. I'll be making some reasonably substantial moves back into Sterling if that happens.
Anyone running a country on the basis of short term fx predictions is a fool. In any case the euro is screwed so its incoveivable to me the pound will be worth less vs euro in the medium term
Who gives a monkeys about £:€, apart from holidays / folks with multiple homes.
£:$ is what effects our trade / competitiveness / prices
As others have said, feel free to challenge the factual content - as there's not much point challenging the source because I've been honest about where it came from
I wouldn't hold your breath - the content was unpalatable but the source was an easy target..
Short term noise
Maybe....
But it was a very LOUD noise wasn't it..
[quote=rkk01 ]Who gives a monkeys about £:€, apart from holidays / folks with multiple homes.
£:$ is what effects our trade / competitiveness / prices
everyone who exports to europe?
Stop Press.
Golden Balls is voting Remain.
Gosh. Wow.
rkk01 » Who gives a monkeys about £:€, apart from holidays / folks with multiple homes.
£:$ is what effects our trade / competitiveness / prices
Folks with multiple homes would make a (paper) profit from falling GBP, eg asset has gone up £50k equivalent so an extra £1k on servicing costs is not an issue. Also of course anyone with a foreign property who rents it out when they are not using it as income in that foreign currency
As above falling pound is good for exports and we have a trade deficit thats important, we should be exporting more, importing less
Ooh! Does that upset you or something jamba? Or are you concerned that if it doesn't go the way you want all your carefully crafted plans to make money out of this huge bunch of arse go south?
All about me isn't it
I believe Gerry Adams is going to be at the next STW meet up, on his Ragley, meeting his new STW buddies.
Folks with multiple homes would make a (paper) profit from falling GBP, eg asset has gone up £50k equivalent so an extra £1k on servicing costs is not an issue. Also of course anyone with a foreign property who rents it out when they are not using it as income in that foreign currency
The common man will be raising a bollie to that
I believe Gerry Adams is going to be at the next STW meet up, on his Ragley, meeting his new STW buddies.
???
Stop Press.Golden Balls is voting Remain.
Gosh. Wow.
That list keeps on growing, doesn't it? Are you finding it the same in the Leave camp?
Alas most of their big names are no longer with us.
Pol pot, mussolini, enoch powell, and am resisting godwins law 😉
sound bites from gobshites
I'm stealing that 😀
The obsession with "balance" in the media is a lot to blame for the current confusion a lot of people feel. The BBC report that "the Leave campaign say that we send £350M to the EU every week, the Remain campaign say those figures are false".
Have some guts, do some journalism yourself - don't just report "he said, she said", report that you've investigated the £350M figure yourself and it's bollocks.
The problem is - and I've found this talking to Leave-leaning people - is that no-one believes anyone. If you report everything as a clash of personalities, not facts, then the issues are judged on whether you like the personalities on either side.
Which, in this case, means we're stuffed as the personalities on both sides are pretty horrible.
Ooh! Does that upset you or something jamba? Or are you concerned that if it doesn't go the way you want all your carefully crafted plans to make money out of this huge bunch of arse go south?
All about me isn't it
I have posted on this frequently. Best short term gain for me is increased house proces in the event of Remain. I am voting Leave for the medium and long term benefit of the country. I'll probably be retired by the time the economic benefits really kick in.
If pound drops after a Leave I am a buyer as I think its an overshoot and I think Europe is totally ****ed, only a matter of time before Greek/Soveriegn debt crises comes home to roost.
falling pound is good for exports and we have a trade deficit thats important, we should be exporting more, importing less
So what you are saying, in your own inimitable style is, we currently import more than we export and a falling pound makes these more costly so it will be bad for the economy.
SO one sided its amusing in a tragic way.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-fake-revolt-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite ]Brexit is a fake revolt[/url]
That list keeps on growing, doesn't it? Are you finding it the same in the Leave camp?
Yes indeed. 2 friends last night confirmed they have decided on Leave as I posted. Celebrety ensdorsements aren't really my thing but I'll take Ian Botham over Golden Balls all day long.
2 more days to go
You are all wrong. 😉
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Alas most of their big names are no longer with us.
Pol pot, mussolini, enoch powell, and am resisting godwins law
Long time dead most of those thank god.
You've got Warmonger Tony Blair and also Gerry Adams supporting remain though . . .
only a matter of time before Greek/Soveriegn debt crises comes home to roost
Is that that Eurozone bailout you're talking about again?
The one we have nothing to do with?
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/page/150#post-7783932 ]BBC FACT CHECK[/url]
[i]I'll probably be retired by the time the economic benefits really kick in.[/i]
Retired?
[b]We'll[/b] be dead, as in 'not in our lifetime'!
@slowoldman - Paul Mason has that @rse about face. Remain is the establishment elite campaign and option. What's more elitist than an unelected commission running the show and sticking two fingers up at democracy ? He should get himself over to Athens with that line of argument and see how it goes
Is that that Eurozone bailout you're talking about again?The one we have
Sadly @mrlebowski you are going to have to wait and see, even if we vote Leave we'll be dragged in (via IMF as well as EU) but much less so than if we Remain
@br, 🙂
So the likes of Gove and Johnson are not elitist? They are going to save us from dishonest politicians and faceless bureaucrats?
What's more elitist than an unelected commission running the show and sticking two fingers up at democracy ?
I know this one it unelected Lords with a head of state decided by birth right
THE COMMISIONERS ARE ELECTED BY THE MEPS unlike the lords and the Head of state. You are telling porkies again.
You must not have nay pants lefts seeing as you say such barefaced lies constantly 🙄
All the elected commissioners can do is propose laws the other two BOTH must pass. Given this how are they "running the show"
Abuse directed at Warsi
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-baroness-warsi-defect-islamophobic-abuse-brexit-supporters-remain-leave-a7091076.html ]Low[/url]
This, particularly unpleasant:
One message read: “typical MUSLIM ! Lie ,cheat,lie ,cheat ,lie ,good job your in a country like the UK otherwise you'd be stoned by now FACT
British stocks would be the best-performing equities in Europe should Britain vote for Brexit in 10 days time, according to a note sent to Deutsche Bank clients ... But to digress the referendum is principally about culture - prosperity is a byproduct of culture ..
So the likes of Gove and Johnson are not elitist? They are going to save us from dishonest politicians and faceless bureaucrats?
Same tired old argument. They can go after we rid ourselves of the EU.
The abuse directed at warsi - Its actually making me impressed with our education system that people that thick have computer skills to allow them to post that
I wouldn't want to be reminded of things I did as a teenager - but then, I'm not a politician...
[url= http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/after-his-nazi-propaganda-poster-people-are-resharing-the-shocking-letter-where-one-of-nigel-farages-teachers-calls-him-a-fascist--Zkb587Ow4b ]Farage marches through Sussex singing Hitler Youth songs[/url]
Who new that under the bon hommie of the pub drunk lurked the sol of a right wing racist
he has certainly hidden it well
he has certainly hidden it well
closet fascist.
You guys are obsessed with racism. Thankfully out in the real world in the U.K. it is not the huge problem that you are making out.
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.
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So about 1bn UK shall we devide that by 350 Million 100 Million and see how many weekly insatllments that is
Who finances infrastructure over 10 months ? Certainky not the Australians. £100m a week could build 70 (?) hospitals at £1bn each
You guys are obsessed with racism.
and sexism - why do you think we are all guys?
Thankfully out in the real world in the U.K. it is not the huge problem that you are making out.
Yes the MP who was killed by the racist loon would tend to suggest otherwise.
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.
Who knew your "ins[s]ults[/s]ights" would be so wide of the mark?
I imagine this particular Celebrity Endorsement will leave Singletrackers on both sides feeling a bit mixed 🙂
I live in the suburbs, our street more diverse than when we lived in a not so nice bit of that London
😆I imagine this particular Celebrity Endorsement will leave Singletrackers on both sides feeling a bit mixed
I know Grahams, I'm now siding with a racist, 😉 . See that Ernie, conflicted soft lefty !
some strange bed fellows in this indeed, I feel dirty being on the same side as the AA Gill 😳
hankfully out in the real world in the U.K. it is not the huge problem that you are making out.
So, why are voters so drawn in by a racist politician??? If not a "real world problem" now, then it certainly will be if Farage gets near the levers of power...
And, please answer this - why has an MP been murdered and a leading Muslim politician massively abused (with race / religious hate comments)?
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.
Former pit village with a fair few social ills...
why do you think we are all guys?
I never said you were.
Yes the MP who was killed by the racist loon would tend to suggest otherwise.
Isolated incident thank god, probably due more to mental illness. But nothing to do with the 90 odd % of good people in this country.
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.Who knew your "insultsights" would be so wide of the mark?
You can only vouch for yourself.
I never said you were.
You called us guys what else did you mean then?
Isolated incident thank god
True but will fall under the umbrella of racist issue as you noted thereby negating your original point - why have I had to explain this?
You can only vouch for yourself.
Unlike you who wants to make pronouncements about where everyone else lives and then not accept when it was wide of the mark and you were wrong.
Not funny, not insightful really not interested.
It will just be more of this wont it 😥
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I never said you were.You called us guys what else did you mean then?
Isolated incident thank godTrue but will fall under the umbrella of racist issue as you noted thereby negating your original point - why have I had to explain this?
You can only vouch for yourself.Unlike you who wants to make pronouncements about where everyone else lives and then not accept when it was wide of the mark and you were wrong.
Not funny, not insightful really not interested.
It will just be more of this wont it
mumsnet content
Sweet did you just say he was a girl ?
Only when he does his silence of the lambs dance in front of the mirror
Jeez , some real amateur dramatics goes on round here . . .
Graham - I think hell may have frozen over as Clarkson is trying to be politically correct 🙂
£100m a week could build 70 (?) hospitals at £1bn each
Then you just need to fill them with staff.
Then you just need to fill them with staff.
Yes indeed. We don't need 70 new hospitals as far as I am aware although the NHS mgmt are all over the place as one minute they say £8bn pa more required then its £20bn - thats a hell of a range
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity.
You're a bit confused - the most strongly "Remain" areas are the ones with most diversity (Lambeth for example) whereas the ones where they assassinate their MPs are the ones with little.
NHS mgmt are all over the place as one minute they say £8bn pa more required then its £20bn - thats a hell of a range
Good old Jamba. As I recall the NHS said they needed 30bn, and the Tories said f*** that, you can have 8, and find the other 22bn from "efficiency savings".
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.
London Zone 3.
Probably about as diverse as it gets!