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Your posts are becoming more overtly racist jambalaya. You are deliberately attempting to to stir up divisions based on ethnicity.
This has nothing to do with the arguments for and against UK membership of the EU. And everything to do with petty racism.
None of the questions you posted really make sense or even important in the grand scheme of our life
of course not, my mistake
as you were....
Are you really in control that is the question innit.DrJ - Member
Who determines your life. Do you have any control?
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I know it is hard to admit mistake made but you are taking the right step forward. That is an improvement indeed.teamhurtmore - Member
of course not, my mistakeNone of the questions you posted really make sense or even important in the grand scheme of our lifeas you were....
Your posts are becoming more overtly racist jambalaya
Not only that but a bit daft since the quoted article does not support his point since it talks mainly about illegal immigrants, who of course would not be affected by any sort of "points system", or whatever fig leaf he suggests.
Thank you chewkw - you dont know how much that means to me.
When people play the racist card logic doesn't really come into it. The purpose is to instill fear and hate by offering foreigners, specially ones with different coloured skins, as a threat and a danger.
teamhurtmore - Member
Thank you chewkw - you dont know how much that means to me.
You are most welcome.
Put it another way there are many people who refused to accept their mistake. It takes courage to admit you know. You have done well.
DrJ - Member
Not only that but a bit daft since the quoted article ...
With your caliber you still cannot distinguish the racist from normal people? Crikey.
I think I can spot a racist miles away tbh ...
I mean if that is your definition I can assure you the entire world is racist. Yes, the Entire world!
Not interested in docs from the Remain camp only for campaigning for Leave, my mind's made up and no one I am interacting with is interested in Economic research papers either.
'Not interested in facts only in my puerile bigoted opinions based on nothing more than prejudice'.
You are becoming increasingly ridiculous, which is quite an achievement for you.
grum - Member
Who is quoting who ... bloody hell can you guys quote properly.
When people play the racist card logic doesn't really come into it.
Indeed that's why the remainers always seek to use the term to intimidate people.
While you are here, any answers?
teamhurtmore - Member
While you are here, any answers?
Yes, Vote OUT because that will make everyone happy.
I mean Everyone around the world.
Thanks I have that one..no need to repeat. Lets try the other simple questions....
Just put the return ballot papers in the post for me & the Mrs.
Both out.
🙂
@grum perhaps a lottle robust I admit but you could enlighten me about the relevance of a data study using info from 2003-6 and an academic research piece about waiting times (which does show spikes associated with immigration as well as some bizarre behaviour where regional waiting times decline as the portion of immigrants goes up - local population moving out / giving up and going private)
Indeed that's why the remainers always seek to use the term to intimidate people.
I am not a remainer. I support 100% the UK withdrawing from the EU.
The link that you posted, this one :
has absolutely nothing to do with the arguments in favour of leaving the EU.
You very clearly posted the link because the article contains comments such as [i]"most of the victims described their attackers as foreign in appearance"[/i] and [i]"The women said that it was their impression the perpetrators were South Asian".[/i]
The only reason why anyone would want to talk about ****stanis committing alleged crimes in Germany, when the topic is UK membership of the EU, is to exploit it to satisfy a racist agenda.
You have a long forum history of anti-muslim bigotry jambalaya and now you want to claim that the only way to keep ****stani sex offenders out of the UK is to leave the EU. If that's not racism then I'm a monkey's uncle.
You might find a more receptive audience here : https://www.stormfront.org/forum/f91/
They love that sort of story - ****stani men allegedly attacking white European women.
Oh dear ernie, don't try to reign in your own side, that's a hiding to nothing round here...
(though kudos for trying)
He's definitely not on my side. I've kept right out of the in/out argument on here because whilst I might not be the smartest person to grace this forum I'm not stupid enough to think that a sensible debate on the issue is possible.
Well, I say side subjectively, sorry if it appeared I was casting aspersions.
"Who is quoting whom", Chewkw. After reading through today's contributions to this thread I can't think of anything better to do than help a foreigner with his grammar. 😐 Will I still be welcome here if "out" wins or should I perform a Frexit on hearing the news?
I am not a remainer. I support 100% the UK withdrawing from the EU.I've kept right out of the in/out argument ... I'm not stupid enough to think that a sensible debate on the issue is possible.
@ernie yes I know I wasn't referring to you, just using your post opportunistically. I'm here on the off chance a neutral stops by
Edukator - Reformed Troll
"Who is quoting whom", Chewkw. After reading through today's contributions to this thread I can't think of anything better to do than help a foreigner with his grammar. Will I still be welcome here if "out" wins or should I perform a Frexit on hearing the news?
Thank you. I blame Sesame Street for my "English" but I did learn from them at some point.
Yes, everyone will be very happy so all welcome.
Damn EU and their Health and Safety Regs.
When people play the racist card logic doesn't really come into it.Indeed that's why the remainers always seek to use the term to intimidate people.
I have missed your satire as that cannot be unintentional
@ernie yes I know I wasn't referring to you,
he quoted you and you replied quoting him but you did not mean him...awesome back peddaling
Best stick to pretending you have answered THMS questions.[quote=ernie_lynch ] I might not be the smartest person to grace this forum I'm not stupid enough to think that a sensible debate on the issue is possible.
You underestimate yourself and you are the only person who ever made me seriously consider voting out
unfortunately, though i could see your reasons, nothing will make me vote with the likes of jamby or Farage on the issue. I know you are not one but all the racists will be voting leave.
Not all leave voters are racists but the racist are voting leave
Drac - Moderator
Damn EU and their Health and Safety Regs.
That bloke really needs to learn from the French rioters when it comes to burning stuff coz the French are very good at burning ... stuff ...
Junkyard - lazarus
I know you are not one but all the racists will be voting leave.Not all leave voters are racists but the racist are voting leave
Crikey, said the bloke who once said "I am not English." 😆
I think it's fairly clear jamba is just at the wind up...jambalaya - Member
When people play the racist card logic doesn't really come into it.Indeed that's why the remainers always seek to use the term to intimidate people.
I still can't decide, could I have three succinct bullet points from the remains and three from the leaves please?
Ta 🙂
seosamh77 - Member
I think it's fairly clear jamba is just at the wind up...
It is true.
They keep calling people racists when they exhausted their own arguments.
So let's assume that the OUTers are right and that we and our hospitals are drowning in waves of foreigners....
What is the solution? Start with the problem??
The split? Roughly 50:50 between EU non EU immigrants
EU is running above a sustainable level (sic) due to the failure of the concept of freedom of movement of people
Solution: introduce a points based system
Non EU is running abive a sustainable level (sic) despite the use of a points basd systems
Solution: apply this system to both EU and non EU
Result: you decide....people do make this up
teamhurtmore - Member
Relax, chill ... You will be fine.
You are over reacting tbh besides you are Not paid that much to worry in life.
Just Vote OUT for happiness.
I blame Sesame Street for my "English" but I did learn from them at some point.
Ironic as I just see you like Elmo shouting on with an annoying voice that no one takes notice of.
chewkw - Member
It is true.
They keep calling people racists when they exhausted their own arguments.
I think it's fairly clear chewkw is on a cocktail of hallucinogens... 😆
No, no, no ... my favourite character is Count von Count ... One vote, ah ah ah ah, two votes, ah ah ah ah, three votes, ah ah ah ah ... or Cookie Monster is fine too ... what did you say? Nom! Nom! Nom! Nom!Drac - Moderator
Ironic as I just see you like Elmo shouting on with an annoying voice that no one takes notice of.I blame Sesame Street for my "English" but I did learn from them at some point.
I ain't a cool dude you know so I cannot hallucinate ... only cool dude does that. High five! Fist bump!seosamh77 - Member
I think it's fairly clear chewkw is on a cocktail of hallucinogens..
1, Europe is one of the world's largest economic zones and home to some our largest trading partners
2. Membership of the EU provides privileged access to this zone, stimulates trade and growth and allows us to benefit from our comparative advantages - maximise the strengths
3. We have avoided many of the weaknesses associated with some aspects of the EU - the flawed single currency, Schengen etc - while maintaining high levels of control/sovereignty over the key instruments of policy (monetary, fiscal and supply-side) - minimise the weaknesses
Bottom line: In a very imperfect world, this combination of maximising strengths and minimising weaknesses is pretty hard to beat!
Despite above, this referendum is flawed as I said at they start. The only relevant issue is how do we want to engage with Europe in the future. Since the current model is unsustainable, we do not know what the future model of Europe will look like, hence we do not know what we are voting for or against.
This is an interesting aside but an irritating distraction from the important issues facing our economy. Not that this stops the OUTers from blaming the EU for all of them!
Tant pis!
Crikey, said the bloke who once said "I am not English."
I don't see an issue with that. I suppose by that logic you would be upset denying that you're Indonesian?
Ernie - do you have a sensible roundup of your out reasons? Or even a useful link (woudl have checked previous posts but, well, they're still working the valves to upgrade from forum Version 1.ug)
squirrelking - Member
Crikey, said the bloke who once said "I am not English."
I don't see an issue with that. I suppose by that logic you would be upset denying that you're Indonesian?
Nope, call me whatever you like. Really, I take no offense at all.
Be creative in calling whatever you like ... me colleagues here call me North Korean ... others have called me various names. So you better make me laugh by being inventive.
Ya, I want to understand the logic of that bloke's reply of "I am not English". I mean since then he blocked himself away from me refusing to answer my question. Something is not right somewhere you know ... gut feeling all that non-scientific stuff gut feeling ...
want to understand the logic of that bloke's reply of "I am not English"
I'd say it's pretty bloody obvious.
squirrelking - Member
want to understand the logic of that bloke's reply of "I am not English"
I'd say it's pretty bloody obvious.
Ya, if that bloke is not English what is s/he? Papua New Guinean?
Kamu berasal dari Papua kah?
chewkw land is so far from reality I dont visit and i wish folk would not quote him
Its factually incorrect to describe me as English because i am not English. Its not racist to think this , its just wrong. Its not racist to correct this, its just the truth.
Why he would need this explaining to him is amongst the many reasons i have no interest in what he says and I block him - the only person on STW i block and the only reason i got it
If he wants to get confused by this - when i said what nationality i was, then that really is his problem. I would say its amongst the least os his problems as his posts will no doubt still be demonstrating.
See see ... still refusing to answer.Junkyard - lazarus
Its factually incorrect to describe me as English because i am not English.
Are you trying to follow Michael Howard response to Jemery Paxman? (that was so funny the way the interview went ...)
What are you exactly? Papau? Dayak? Zulu? Native American?
Because your answer does not make sense ...
You underestimate yourself and you are the only person who ever made me seriously consider voting outunfortunately, though i could see your reasons, nothing will make me vote with the likes of jamby or Farage on the issue. I know you are not one but all the racists will be voting leave.
Thank you but I think you exaggerate my powers of persuasion. Btw your conclusion that you cannot support leaving the EU because racists also do is shared by some fringe ultra-lefist trots who claim on the one hand that the EU is [i]"a reactionary anti-working class unreformable institution"[/i] but will vote to stay in because voting to leave [i]"can only produce a reactionary exit that would benefit only the xenophobic right wing of the Tory party and of UKIP"[/i].
I have no idea why leaving a reactionary anti-working class unreformable institution "would benefit only" the xenophobic right wing of the Tory party and of UKIP, it sounds very much a contradiction in terms. And as daft as Boris Johnson's claim that we should vote leave because the EU is what Adolf Hitler would have wanted.
Having said that they do also say [i]"The campaign itself will be a jamboree of racist and anti-immigration bile. It will be dominated by UKIP and the Tory rightwing. Any attempt to mount a progressive exit campaign will be drowned out"[/i] which is a fair point and one of the reasons why I frankly can't be arsed to get involved on here.
Not wishing to tar all trots with the same brush it's only fair to point out that some trots, like the SWP, are supporting leave.
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squirrelking from a purely left perspective here is a short summing up of reasons to leave :
EDIT : I you want more -
http://www.leftleave.org/the-truth-about-the-eu/
@ernie by the way I posted the link to the sex assault story as an example of how the EU is incompetent, it is the debacle that is Schengen which has put Germany into the mess its in. Merkel thought she was so smart to offer asylum to all Syrians who arrived there [b]legally[/b]. What she didn't think through was the 1 million people of all nationalities (only 38% Syrian I believe) who would arrive illegally not least as the other Schengen countries would ignore the regulations (eg about registration) which she thought would protect Germany. Its clear from the multitude of nationalities (Bangladeshi, Moroccan, Tunisian, Afghan - who Germany says they will reject all) that the migrants have less to do with asylum and much more to do with economics.
Its a very great example of EU Incompetence
I am also very happy via controlled immigration to welcome people of all faiths or none at all
I do have to smile at those here who suggest we avoided the worst, eg euro and Schengen, if you can't get currency and security (border control) right I have little faith in competancy in any other areas. Just to think they want an army !