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What a silly little country.
Where's THM with some jargon?
THM has been away for a while. In fact the beginning of his absence coincided with the dailies publishing some rather saucy pictures of Nicola Sturgeon. I can only imagine he has been hospitalised with life-threatening fapping-related injuries. Get well soon, hurty 🙂
i.e. researchers with a PhD
Do you need them to make Jam???
*my Grand-father was a food scientist before he retired, so i guess it helps!....
THM has been away for a while. In fact the beginning of his absence coincided with the dailies publishing some rather saucy pictures of Nicola Sturgeon. I can only imagine he has been hospitalised with life-threatening fapping-related injuries. Get well soon, hurty
Tbf, he was needing some new material, his Salmond grumble was getting a bit dog eared....
FWIW, it seems to be an extension of the existing policy, which does have some exemptions for researchers and has the capacity to create exemptions as needed for critical industry. Of course, absolutely everyone who employs an immigrant for under £35000 will campaign to be an exemption. And the policy will be overseen by Amber Rudd and Theresa May, professional xenophobes.
So who knows what that'll lead to. It could end up a fairly empty shell with countless exemptions, or it could be a brick wall with the false promise of exemptions to make it seem less brutal.
FT reports today that British firms are being effectively excluded from EU space projects. It's all working out beautifully.
TMH has just started a new job, he told me he's got better things to do. I'll see him for a ride when I am fit enough.
VISAs should be issued to those who can make a necessary contribution be they fruit pickers or post-doctorate researchers.
Did you see the idiot German politician calling for a second Referendum ? He needs to focus on his own countries problems which do in fairness inckude finding £5bn extra for EU contributions or telling the other member states where their payouts are goung to get cut.
We should have left the EU decades ago. April 2019 can't come fast enough.
jamba: you may have missed my post on previous page (last post on the page syndrome). Do you have a linky for the ONS study you were describing regarding economic inactivity in EU nationals? I couldn't find anything obvious on the ONS site.
VISAs should be issued to those who can make a necessary contribution be they fruit pickers or post-doctorate researchers.
1) How do we define necessary?
2) Issuing visas based on existing demand excludes people who might come here to actually start businesses, doesn't it? Many EU migrants have done just that, and their successful economic activity creates growth. We'd lose that contribution.
3) Would visas be tied to jobs? So if the job ends you have to go home? People cannot build a life on those terms so you will lose a lot of skills and workers as they head elsewhere to settle. This will be economically damaging don't you think?
We should have left the EU decades ago. April 2019 can't come fast enough.
back in the '70s? when the UK economy was on its knees? The EU will be fine, the UK won't. you can talk about a global economy but the vote is simply about kick out the coloured people for many. I for one do not want to return to a time when calling people paddy's was acceptable.
Why would jambs want to link to stats that exposed brexiters and vote leave as xenophobic liars again...?
https://infacts.org/migration-stats-bust-myths-skills-welfare/
We should have left the EU decades ago.
The "Department for exiting the EU" just ****ted a lovely graph showing how trade started to rise massively shortly after we joined the EU in the 70s. Not sure that was quite the point they were trying to make, mind you...
[url= https://twitter.com/DExEUgov/status/852534216025939968/photo/1 ]here it is[/url]
In the 70's we where were totally F'd by Labour. Also we joined the EEC, a "Common Market" or thats what we where told and definitely not a political Union project. As per Twitter commentsvtard was rising before we joined and has accelerated as our share of exports to the EU has declined.
Anyway @b r I answered your question, thereafter there was much moaning from Remainers. Predictably whuch is why I didn't bother to read it the first time.
Jamba - you can't help yourself can you?
There were also Tory governments in the 70s, but that doesn't fit your story.In the 70's we where were totally F'd by Labour.
Also have a look at the unemployment stats from the 70s until now. Generally every time the Tories got in unemployment rocketed.
Interestingly the last few years deviate from that. Even with (Brexy press factoid warning) 11% of the workforce from foreign climes, unemployment is at 4.7% - historically that's regarded as full employment.
This country desperately needs immigration. Probably more of it.
Say what? Trade was ****ed by labour but was also already rising? Yeah, that makes total sense.
Going to answer my questions Jam re visas?
Molgrips I didn't see any question, certainly not one I had not already answered in a general post.
Having an income threshold and using it as [b]one key factor[/b] in visa applications is very common in most countries controlled immigration systems. The rest of the world seems to manage quite well without the EU's Freedom of Movement. So well none of them are seeking to emulate it.
We have many unemployed people in the UK and many trapped in low paying jobs by uncontrolled immigration. Wages will rise as will employment opportunities. As for "jobs Brits won't do" well if you won't do a job you won't get your unemployment benefit.
Say what? Trade was **** by labour but was also already rising? Yeah, that makes total sense.
Labour fought the GE under Foot on a commitment to leave the "free market" EEC, bad for jobs they said
We have many unemployed people in the UK and many trapped in low paying jobs by uncontrolled immigration.
and yet maybot and davis have said that immigration wont drop after brexit......
so scapegoating the EU for the failings of westminster will at least be exposed for the great lie it always was
Jam, my questions re your vision of visa controlled immigration are in [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/page/775#post-8411022 ]this post.[/url]
The rest of the world seems to manage quite well without the EU's Freedom of Movement
No country has ever joined the EU and then left it. Countries that aren't EU members didn't spend 40 years in it. You cannot draw conclusions like that, it's idiotic. We're in completely uncharted territory.
The EU is one of the biggest economies in the world, and we are leaving it. It's the only economy that can compare to the US in size and development. And we're leaving it. It would be like a state leaving the US and expecting it to be better off.
It would be like a state leaving the US and expecting it to be better off.
He's gonna say California.
VISAs should be issued to those who can make a necessary contribution be they fruit pickers or post-doctorate researchers.
1) How do we define necessary?2) Issuing visas based on existing demand excludes people who might come here to actually start businesses, doesn't it? Many EU migrants have done just that, and their successful economic activity creates growth. We'd lose that contribution.
3) Would visas be tied to jobs? So if the job ends you have to go home? People cannot build a life on those terms so you will lose a lot of skills and workers as they head elsewhere to settle. This will be economically damaging don't you think?
1) The Government will set the agenda in responce to business amd service need. Seems to work everywhere else.
2) No you can apply for a VISA based on a business plan
3) Depends, US has both versions, job dependent and not.
We are not reinveting the wheel here. We will be doing what the rest of the world is doing. We can base our system on what works best
We will be doing what the rest of the world is doing.
Assuming you prefer closed doors to open ones in principle (I don't), like I said drawing parallels with the rest of the world is invalid because no other country has built an economy on FoM and then stopped it.
Here's another question for you: My wife's family are essentially trapped inside the USA. They cannot leave for more than a holiday, unless they get really lucky. Is that a good thing, do you think?
We are not reinveting the wheel here.
actually thats exactly what brexit is all about
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Well it's more and more clear to me that the Tory party wanted out and the Cameron campaign was designed to achieve that. There was no need for project fear when the facts spoke for themselves. Just the publication of all this pro-EU information that demonstrates that remain's campaign was lies and false issues.
Meanwhile I have to consider how to visit some people in the UK without becoming a victim of hate crime. That rules out driving on French plates. I can't borrow a car because the stupid British insurance system insures drivers rather than cars and as I'm foreign the answer is no when people ask their insurance company to add me. My suntan and foreign gear and sandals without socks say I can't possibly be a faded M&S Brit. It's looking complicated, expensive. Any ideas? (this is mildly tongue in cheek but the issues are real)
Oh yeah, and the next time I hear British tourists speaking English as they walk around town should I shout abuse at them and insist they speak French in public? (following a recent thread about supermarket staff chatting informally in their native tongue and reports of foreigners getting abuse outside school gates for speaking foreign). Or do I have to wait until the official withdrawal when logically English will cease to be one of the three official languages.
Tempting but I'm not like that, I'll continue to assume the best in people until they prove me wrong, and be friendly to people whatever their race, creed, colour or country of origin. Not hard, smiling uses less muscles than scowling.
1) The Government will set the agenda in responce to business amd service need. Seems to work everywhere else.2) No you can apply for a VISA based on a business plan
3) Depends, US has both versions, job dependent and not.
We are not reinveting the wheel here. We will be doing what the rest of the world is doing. We can base our system on what works best
If the US didn't have all those undocumented illegal workers from Mexico it would be a very different place. How much is the added bureaucracy going to cost, both to our economy and in cash terms to the government? I have a few friends in the US on H1-B visas and they're basically indentured servants. That's not a system we should be aiming to recreate.
Most french people I speak to assume that we have left the UK because of Brexit .
Quite funny really .
the official withdrawal when logically English will cease to be one of the three official languages.
Why are the Irish leaving too?
You obviously don't want to come over, so don#t bother, I am sure we will survive.
Welcome back, Chris. Go easy on the sun till your body remembers its French. 😉
We have many unemployed people in the UK and many trapped in low paying jobs by uncontrolled immigration.
we have 5% unemployment so who are you intending to do the crap jobs? We need refuse collectors and care workers as much as we need bankers if not more so. We need farm labourers and we need brain surgeons.
So where do you intend to get the workers from?
as for the numbers Switzerland is currently 25% immigrants, and don't even look at Singapore or Dubai!
Just the publication of all this pro-EU information that demonstrates that remain's campaign was lies and false issues
& the Leave campaign, on the other hand, was the very embodiment of truth & honesty??
Thanks . already got a tan . and a temping job for now , and a permanent job offer in July .
Why are the Irish leaving too?
Interesting question there, official language of Éire is Gaelige not English, so even though English is more widely used and spoken....
Why are the Irish leaving too?
Ireland have notified previously that their official language is (Irish) Gaelic.
Not that it'll make much difference, AFAIK, EU stuff hasn't been translated into Gaelic as the language would need a whole raft of new words to accommodate legislation (especially technical documents). The Irish simply said they'd be happy enough to read it all in English.
English is also an official language of Ireland (although Irish is the national language and the first official language). English won't be dropped as it is the preferred second language of everyone.
1) The Government will set the agenda in responce to business
Says it all really. Business is the only important thing to some people.
1) The Government will set the agenda in responce to business
So that is Brexit scrapped then as that seems to be the general opinion of most businesses.
1) The Government will set the agenda in responce to business amd service need
More clamouring for state control. Some people just love increasing beurocracy.
English is also an official language of Ireland
Ireland has previously notified that its official language is (Irish) Gaelic.
Of course English won't be dropped.
You obviously don't want to come over, so don#t bother, I am sure we will survive.
I don't, but some people I'd like to see are less fit to travel a thousand kms than me.
If I go along the airport taxi rank to find a taxi that replies "remain" to "leave or remain?" how many do you think I'll have to ask? And will I end up on the bus?
Interestingly the London cabbies (a watchword for liberal tolerance) I spoke to prior to the vote were split 50:50 - strangely often for equally xenophobic reasons.
I'd like to see English dropped as one of the three procedural languages once its no longer one of the official languages. It would after all be bizarre to give English a higher status than any of the languages of (edit) 25.
Edit: 50:50 - taxis will be include in my travel plans then. Anyone know about bus and train drivers?
A friend of a friend works for the EU and one of his projects was replacing English. His report was apparently recently dusted off....
It would after all be bizarre to give English a higher status than any of the languages of the 27.
Why it is preferred second language of pretty much every country (other than Russian in the Baltic states). When I worked advising European companies in the Netherlands, English was the de facto business language, dealings between companies were pretty much universally in English.
I imagine dropping it will be a thorny issue for the Irish who would have a veto, as I would be surprised if all their civil servants and politicians can speak Irish. (No doubt it is higher than the population at large but I would be surprised if it is 100%)