Ah I see that issue is important enough to warrant its [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/toblerone-is-nothing-sacred ]own thread[/url] 😆
Good to see where our priorities lie 🙂
As regards the trial… nothing will come of it…
• The Leave campaign used the "cost" of the EU as a main plank of the campaign, and yes, lied about the figures.
• The Remain campaign used predictions of the "cost" of leaving the EU as a main plank in their campaign, and the (inevitable) lack of accuracy of those predictions is seen as "deceit" by most people.
These are seen as equivalent "lies" by voters, and no legal decision will change that. Especially as we can never compare the difference between in/out levels of prosperity and costs over the next 10 years… unless there is a parallel universe somewhere in which 2016 happened very differently…
[I]unless there is a parallel universe somewhere in which 2016 happened very differently…[/I]
not sure about that, but there IS a parallel universe of what Britain was like before we joined the EU, or at least there must be based on some of the comments I've seen 🙂
not sure about that, but there IS a parallel universe of what Britain was like before we joined the EU, or at least there must be based on some of the comments I've seen
It was idyllic. Kids were polite or else the village bobby would clip them round the ear, shopkeepers in brown coats sold English spuds and there was Butlins for your summer hols.
not sure about that, but there IS a parallel universe of what Britain was like before we joined the EU, or at least there must be based on some of the comments I've seenIt was idyllic. Kids were polite or else the village bobby would clip them round the ear, shopkeepers in brown coats sold English spuds and there was Butlins for your summer hols.
And you didn't have to watch your P's and Q's because all the darkies knew their place
..and we had......The Austin Allegro (but could have got my dates wrong there)
And I had hair.
Ahh, the 1970s, IMF bailouts, overweening trade unions, the sick man of Europe, the rise of the National Front - happy days.
Yeah but I was a student on a full grant so didn't care.
Ahh, the 1970s, IMF bailouts, overweening trade unions, the sick man of Europe, the rise of the National Front - happy days.
Indeed a series of diasterous left wing Governments. Heath took us into the EEC as it was a free trade zone which put the reigns on the left. Ironic now that centre keft (not Corbyn et all) want to keep us in the put the reigns on the right.
Put the reigns in the left... national front...
Want to re-read that?
Says the man forever telling us the 'data' is good for a post Brexit UK economy! If it's too early to talk about the failure, it's also too early to talk about signs of success, as you have continually since June!
DarkSide that is indeed a far point but eventaully I felt the need to respond. What is clear is that the result of the Referendum is far more positive than project fear from Cameron/Osbourne/IMF/OECD/Obama etc would have had us believe. The Remainers are doing all they can to paint a picture of doom and gloom and to derail the A50 process.
I say again the problem with Remain is even they think the EU is cr@p - as Miller said on Marr she is a "Remain and Reform" person, except we have all seen that the EU's idea of "reform" is more and more EU integration. Thats why Remain lost. Even it's supporters don't really support it.
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Another 10 years of austerity, thanks to Brexit, will have the prisons on a par with the 1870s
Binners thats brilliant, even a model with a French name. We had an Allegro with the squarish steering wheel
@Edukator noted. Socialists want Jupe as he is more elft than Sarko and they'd prefer to vote for him in the run off versus Le Penn. That was partly my point as many in UMP may vote Le Penn in that run off scenario. Yourself and cchris will have a far greater understanding than I as you'll uderstand much more of what is said. I am looking more from the outside but as we have seen in the South many on the hard left now vote FN. Much like Brexit.
Another 10 years of austerity, thanks to Brexi
Well the odd thing is Hammind has eased "austerity" as a result of the Referendum
Well the odd thing is Hammind has eased "austerity" as a result of the economic fallout from the Referendum
Fixed that for you. You seem to have forgotten some words/facts.
random double post
Looks like Scotland wants it's say on Brexit with a vote in Scottish parliament.
What could go wrong?!?
This is so much fun!
What is clear is that the result of the Referendum is far more positive than project fear from Cameron/Osbourne/IMF/OECD/Obama etc would have had us believe.
Just stop making things up. It's getting tedious.
How long before they say - We've screwed up, let's forget it and start again?
never .
How long before they say - We've screwed up, let's forget it and start again?
It was over 40 years last time. 😀
What is clear is that the result of the Referendum is far more positive than project fear from Cameron/Osbourne/IMF/OECD/Obama etc would have had us believe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37902922
🙄
Is that £25bn additional borrowing per annum by 2020, or 'just' an additional £25bn extra borrowed - or something else?
Not quite clear, at least to me anyway - any expert know better?
Well the odd thing is Hammind has eased "austerity" as a result of the Referendum
I think you mean Osborne abandoned his goal of balancing the books by 2020, because he realised that we'd need to splash around a bit of cash to ease the pain from Brexit. Yes?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/01/george-osborne-scraps-2020-budget-surplus-plan
Hammond is just "reiterating" that the goal was dropped
http://www.hl.co.uk/news/2016/10/3/hammond-confirms-break-with-osborne-by-dropping-uk-fiscal-goal
He also seems to have misplaced Osborne's goal of dropping corporation tax to 15%:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/philip-hammond-ditches-george-osbornes-15-corporation-tax-cut-target-a7342771.html
I can't tell either. The [url= https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/bns/BN188.pdf ]actual report[/url] looks a bit wooly.
It was over 40 years last time.
😀
He also seems to have misplaced Osborne's goal of dropping corporation tax to 15%:
That was just Osbourne shooting his mouth off after the Referendum in the full knowledge he was going to be sacked.
@Pigface £25bn by 2020 is far better than the Remain scenarios. I read it as cumulative. In any case it's an IFS projection against many unknowns. As per the report @hot_fiat the IFS is EU funded 😉
So can anyone provide an explanation as to why Brexit means RyanAir are CUTTING prices ?
My only thought is its an agressive stance from O'Leary to maintain/increase passenger numbers against what he believes will be reduced demand for flights given lower £ - ie fewer Brits oitweighing more foreign tourists ?
[i]My only thought is its an agressive stance from O'Leary to maintain/increase passenger numbers against what he believes will be reduced demand for flights given lower £ - ie fewer Brits oitweighing more foreign tourists ? [/I]
Sounds right.
b r 🙂 I was hoping others may have a theory rather than just saying mine is credible, but thanks anyway !
Ryanair flights are very often subsidised by local regions they flight to. I remember a case in France Where Air France took legal action.
And they are renowned to lock their fuel purchase prices for a long time.
Indeed a series of diasterous left wing Governments. Heath took us into the EEC as it was a free trade zone which put the reigns on the left. Ironic now that centre keft (not Corbyn et all) want to keep us in the put the reigns on the right.
Jamba. you can blame it on right or left, but the fact is that the UK was collapsing and had been for decades, What was the point of the UK in the 50's 60's 70's etc. The empire had gone, no one owed us a living anymore.
The problem will still have as is clear from many of the brexiter comments is that their is a belief that the world owes us something. Times change the world is no longer individual countries rather it totally connected. What ever happens next the UK is not and can not be in complete control of its destiny.
It will need to trade, it will need to compete, and this means being good at something. The comments coming from Westminster are deluded on so many topics.
My only thought is its an agressive stance from O'Leary to maintain/increase passenger numbers against what he believes will be reduced demand for flights given lower £
In their position as the low cost provider, they can increase market share even as total volumes fall due to rising prices. Even as their prices rise.
Times change the world is no longer individual countries rather it totally connected.
Has any country in the world actually deliberately REDUCED its integration with other countries, since the war?
@molgrips you'll have to spell it out mode simply. Why are they cutting prices, if what you say isntrue they could achieve that holding them constant as ofhers are forced to raise.
@cchris yes agreed with all of that, however I don't see that as why they are cutting prices. As an aside fuel hedging is interesting and I worked on that quite a bit when in Singapore with regional arlines there.
Has any country in the world actually deliberately REDUCED its integration with other countries, since the war?
No where else in the world has a political integration project like the EU, so the demand / requirement isn't there
So can anyone provide an explanation as to why Brexit means RyanAir are CUTTING prices ?
Reduced demand for a given supply will reduce prices (assuming the costs - such as fuel - are locked in as mentioned above), i.e. you'd expect busy flights to cost more. The article suggests that supply of UK flights will be reduced in the future though, leading to higher prices...
So I don't think you can spin that O'Leary article as a plus point for Brexit...
Rod definitely not trying to spin it, just trying to understand his ploy. You cannot say he isn't shrewd, he has for example bought up most of what was the spare future production of fuel efficient aircraft to stifle competition.
No where else in the world has a political integration project like the EU, so the demand / requirement isn't there
No but there are many trading blocs, agreements and so on.
Just wondering if anyone has reduced their level of integration/co-operation rather than increased.
Both Clinton and Trump have spoken of unwinding large parts of NAFTA. He would do it, I suspect Clinton is just all talk.
Just wondering if anyone has reduced their level of integration/co-operation rather than increased.
best example?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakoku
Japan shut itself down to the world to prevent christian missionaries from corrupting the country
It allowed the shogun to bring peace and stability and develop what had been a very fractious, warring country, there was limited trade but practically no one could emigrate or immigrate, it did however leave them vulnerable at certain times:
There were 154 famines, in the period, of which 21 were widespread and serious.
It ended when the Americans rolled up and blasted the crap out of them and enforced capitalism with the barrel of a gun
But they managed to avoid the horror of Christianity. Sounds like a win.
and if you want other examples, north korea, cambodia, cuba and most of the warsaw pact to varying extents.
those all turned out well
Both Clinton and Trump have spoken of unwinding large parts of NAFTA. He would do it, I suspect Clinton is just all talk.
Would you see this as a good move?
Another huge success for Enola.
Wot no Empire anymore.
Another huge success for Enola.Wot no Empire anymore.
is this a surprise to anyone?
