Germany going to get a few more jobs I see.
https://electrek.co/2016/11/08/tesla-location-gigafactory-2-europe-2017-both-batteries-and-cars/
Have we done this yet. Sign me up.
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i don't need this
but it is a good idea, for those who want to keep their options open and the way the press is, who can blame them!
Well, we just had our first few redundancies this week following the downturn after the vote (and to be honest a month or so before as people put things on hold to wait and see what happened). Pre-construction, so we tend to get hit early by any sort of downturn, but it doesn't exactly bode well.
If we could opt in to the EU as individuals, then we could become economic migrants 🙂
Hindu sacred cows on the High Street of Hartlepool would be quite funny though.
Hindu sacred cows on the High Street of Hartlepool would be quite funny though.
They'd probably hang them as spies.
After what they did to that monkey?
Edit: too slow!
Re: O'Leary.
He's a bit like an ex-boss (Stefano Pessina) of mine, he does stuff for a reason. You might not see why now nor in the future, but that's why he's a CEO of a very successful business, and we're not.
but it is a good idea, for those who want to keep their options open and the way the press is, who can blame them!
Seems fair enough to me.
Got to love the views expressed by Jayne Adye in that article though:
Jayne Adye, director of the Get Britain Out campaign described the proposal as divisive and said it was "totally unacceptable" for British people to retain the advantages of EU membership."This is an outrage. The EU is now attempting to divide the great British public at the exact moment we need unity. 17.4 million people voted to Leave the EU on 23 June and as a result the UK as a whole will get Brexit," she said.
Okay the 17.4 million have spoken, but why deny the 16.1 million the option to keep some [i]personal[/i] EU membership if they want? Obviously the practicalities of that are fairly limited - no one is going to offer a free trade deal on a personal basis - but, as suggested elsewhere on this thread, I wouldn't be averse to paying an EU membership fee to continue with my right to free movement within Europe and some form of representation within the EU.
At least she didn't call anyone traitors I suppose - though I'm sure that wouldn't take long if this actually went ahead.
The response to that is just marvellous isn't it. It's like a child complaining that the other kids aren't playing [i]properly[/i]. We're playing brexit and if you don't play brexit exactly how I want to play brexit it'll all be RUINED.
"It's unfair and discriminatory to offer people I choice I won't take myself! Just like the way that restaurant discriminates against me by offering dishes other than the one thing I like"
Amazing the response of her to the article.
Oh well if i get the chance at having personal membership then brand me a traitor, i know that if job offers come up in Europe with my company then those with free movement will do better
I know I said earlier that entries for **** Of The Year had ended I think we can let Ms Adye in.
Who needs Tesla and India businesses when you have got tea, scones and jam!
The EU is now attempting to divide the great British public
Lolz no, the referendum did that.
It's surely a win/win. Those who want out are out, those who want in can be in. Simple.
This doesn't seem to be before the EU Parliament yet - so can I write to my MEP or not?
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-one-awkward-fact-about-blue-passports-campaigners-have-forgotten_uk_57d93307e4b0a32e2f6d598b ]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-one-awkward-fact-about-blue-passports-campaigners-have-forgotten_uk_57d93307e4b0a32e2f6d598b[/url]
how about that! Brexiters want to be issued with refugee passports....
That associate citizenship idea looks great. I'd apply straight away - as a contractor it'd be a no brainier allowing me to freely work anywhere in the E.U. for anyone. I'd even quite happily pay, you could administer it like the optional church tax in Austria. As it happens I'm safe with Irish citizenship in the pipeline but I'd be minded to apply anyway just to irritate the brexibunch.
Giving people more options is unfair, discriminatory and divisive.
Double yew tee eff.
As regards the idea of selective EU membership… something like that IS required for those already working in EU… interesting idea to extend it further to any UK subject, but unlikely to be passed in that form.
The response from "Get Britain Out" is a great insight into how some people's minds work… desperate to deny people opportunities that they happen to not want themselves. Sums up Leave voters to me. Vindictive.
Of course associate citizenship is a great idea. Ability to work in any EU country and free of charge, no budget contributions etc. Quite literally a free option, you take those all day long. Quite why the EU would agree to such a thing is beyond comprehension.
b r agreed, done for a reason and quite counter intuitive offering lower prices as a result of Brexit. My question was a genuine one as it's a fascinating move.
Of course associate citizenship is a great idea. Ability to work in any EU country and free of charge, no budget contributions etc.
The idea suggested earlier on the thread was that "associate citizens" would pay membership fees, so the EU would still get a budgetary contribution.
I'd like retain my EU citizen rights, but if I have to pay for them, over and above my 10 year EU passport, then it's a commodity, not a right, only available to those who can afford it?
This is the crux of the anti brexit argument, my rights are being taken away by an unelected PM bypassing parliament. That is illegal in UK law.
Where does this paying for EU citizen rights/associate citizenship come from? One of the 26 countries that will decide? I suspect it breaks a few conventions in existing treaties.
unelected PM. That is illegal in UK law.
Facepalm. In this country we elect an MP, the party with the most MPs forms a government and chooses a PM. We do NOT elect a President/PM
And referendums aren't binding, parliament has the final say. 8)
as predicted the BNP & EDL plan to march with [s]Oswald Mosley[/s] Nigel Farage to try and intimidate the judges of the High Court
I suspect it will be home grown, the uk gov will put some charge on upgrading your degraded uk passport to EU status. Current EU passports held by UK citizens will probably be reverted to UK citizen status.
Those that want proper victorian colonial blue passports will probably be charged as well.
Facepalm. In this country we elect an MP, the party with the most MPs forms a government and chooses a PM. We do NOT elect a President/PM
And that's why we have courts and parliament, to prevent a renegade gov/pm from doing something daft. For example a ****less self serving gov that's just going through the motions to save face.
Look, the EU passport thing is a nice gesture, but don't think for a minute that it has any hope of coming to pass. The EU parliament simply doesn't have the power. The only way to retain EU membership is for the UK to remain in the EU...
This been done? EU passports for Brits who want to stay in the EU??
Sign me up, Britains had its day.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-freedom-of-movement-passport-how-to-keep-parliament-live-move-abroad-a7405196.html ]EU passports for Brits who want to stay in EU[/url]
Err.. Yes.. That is literally what we were talking about in the previous post 😀
I'd sign up (and I suspect my wife would) but more importantly I'd sign my children up to preserve their options for the future.
Cool, wasn't sure because I don't come in this thread very often.
Ability to work in any EU country and [b]free of charge[/b]
Or perhaps, paying taxes and providing skills and labour.
Not everyone sees workers as the enemy because they were born elsewhere.
Genius idea - I doubt the MEP who proposed it is operating on his own... nicely undermines the Brexit stance - which is why Jayne whatserface is so angry - same as Farage threatening violence - they're being well out-manoeuvred and they know it.
Interesting that Scottish and Welsh governments now making their voices heard.
On the two sides of the debate we now have:
1. A minority of Tory MPs
2. Possibly the PM (although possibly she's a shill... time will tell)
3. A minority of the electorate
4. Nigel Farage and a few colleagues who have no higher power than members of Councils (+ the ex-Tory MP)
5. A few of the UK papers
On the other side we have:
1. Most MPs
2 House of Lords
3. Welsh and Scottish governments
4. Most of the electorate
5. Financial sector (have a LOT of soft power)
6. Big business - a lot of soft power
7. Big chunk of the media incl national broadcaster BBC - more soft power
8. USA - for now the most powerful country in the world and our ally
9. Most European Heads of State
10. The EU bureaucracy
11. Bank of England
In terms of power, resources, ability to influence it's not really a fair contest. I suspect behind the scenes there's a solid plan to undermine the entire Brexit campaign... there's more than a few different strands which seem to be coming into play at the moment...
The only way to retain EU membership is for the UK to remain in the EU...
Or for an EU country to offer dual citizenship. Hence the rush for Irish and German passports for those eligible. No reason the EU couldn't allow member states to widen criteria for citizenship to "people from countries that have left the EU", either selectively for key workers, or people already working or having worked previously in the country, or even to anyone applying (agree this is unlikely). The UK government could stop something like this, but why would they, other than to please the vindictive anti EU people who'd be against something like this.
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I'd sign up (and I suspect my wife would) [b]but more importantly I'd sign my children up to preserve their options for the future.[/b]
that for me would be the important thing
3. A minority of the electorate
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The UK government could stop something like this
Depends what it involves.
If the EU decided that UK citizens could pay a membership fee to get some benefits of "the club" then how could the UK stop them? Obviously those benefits wouldn't/couldn't interfere with any UK law.
e.g. I don't think the UK could force me to need a French Visa if the French said I didn't need one.
brooess, I don't see there's any grand conspiracy, there certainly isn't the need for one. It just requires the penny to drop with enough people...there simply isn't a reasonable brexit solution, no approach to leaving the EU will satisfy more than a small minority and all alternatives to the status quo are markedly worse than what we already have.
Honestly, if there was a sensible plan for brexit (ie, if such a thing was possible), don't you think someone would have worked it out by now? Getting on for 5 months later and we haven't got past the vacuous slogan "brexit means brexit".
Honestly, if there was a sensible plan for brexit (ie, if such a thing was possible), don't you think someone would have worked it out by now? Getting on for 5 months later and we haven't got past the vacuous slogan "brexit means brexit".
I 100% agree sadly I think the momentum for brexit has almost reached no going back stage no matter how (hard) dissatrous it is shaping up to be
it doesnt help that the 3 clowns are incapable of delivering....
how could the UK stop them?
Well, they could change the law so that you rescind your UK subject status if claiming dual citizenship with an EU country. Lots of countries have similar limitations as regards dual citizenship with certain countries. It would be petty though.
Would the dual nationality restriction apply to Russian/ Indian billionaires or just us enemies of the state?
Of course the answer is that we have to apply for exit visas.
