. In reality, we got at least two to three more years before we leave,
Or ten days, if the present competence of our political classes is maintained.
Well if you think about it, you would appreciate that we are not remotely *.
I read a report that trucks of food delayed by French customs in their "Brexit dry run" strike are being sent back unloaded as the contents are rotting. I'd call that well on the way to being *.
It's groundhog Day!
But my thread got closed
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-much-will-may-lose-by-tomorrow/
I reckon lose by 59
But in which case May won't put it for a vote for another few weeks, assuming there's an extension.
And she might just squeak it by then if it looks like a 2nd ref is on the cards.
The Tories have turned us into a joke.
In a few years time 'to brexit' will come to mean any act of self harm born of stupidity.
She might as well wait for EU summit on Thursday and see what type of extension she will get.
But in which case May won’t put it for a vote for another few weeks, assuming there’s an extension.
And she might just squeak it by then if it looks like a 2nd ref is on the cards.
That certainly needs preempted by Labour offering support if it's put to a Deal vs Remain ref vote.
However is there any way she can actually survive if we go past the 29th?? Is that not the point where somebody else needs to take the lead.
You may be right, Mike - the terrifying thought is that none of the front-runners appear any more competent...
Is that not the point where somebody else needs to take the lead.
Well Boris has been to the barbers and asked for a PM haircut.
The thing is that Brexit has caused every single previous parliamentary and political convention to be torn up, set alight too and then pissed on. So no-one has a bloody clue what is going to happen. If the normal rules of politics applied pretty much everyone from both main parties front benches would have had to resign by now, or been sacked.
When you look at the record of her almost daily humiliations, her complete clueless incompetence and her total absense of even a shred of authority, how she's still there is unbelievable.
I truly think the only reason she is is because if you take even a cursory glance at the potential replacements, then she still (somewhat unbelievably) looks like the least worst option.
Can you imagine the mess we'd be in if Boris was doing the negotiating? We'd probably be at war. His ridiculous, nationalist, populist posturing would be a route to total econmomic and political disaster, probably within a couple of days
I think even the vast majority of Tory MP's know this. Hence the Maybot still being there. Because the alternative just doesn't bear thinking about
Well if you think about it, you would appreciate that we are not remotely ****.
I appreciate that you're trying to be optimistic, but you did see the Brexit Sec (the man who's job is actually is to make sure we don't get screwed over in these "negotiations") not only voting against his own Party's whip to delay brexit, but doing so after making a speech in the house exhorting MPs to do exactly the opposite? And He still has his job...This is a govt so ****ed it can't actually control a 3 line whip of it's own Cabinet. It is these clowns who we're relying on to not to "remotely **** it up". I think we can all agree that particular ship has sailed.
Can you imagine the mess we’d be in if Boris was doing the negotiating? We’d probably be at war. His ridiculous, nationalist, populist posturing would be a route to total econmomic and political disaster, probably within a couple of days
If that were the case we may have been at war, bu I think that Boris would have been very, very rich too.
I think I've figured it out. The plan was to demonstrate beyond all doubt that the British government was irredeemably incompetent, to the point that the UK population rises up as one and begs the Germans to invade us.
So no meaningful vote unless Govt. thinks it will wim but given the arthimatic, its never going to be reasoanbly certain. So what haooens? The whole thing is ludicrous
Bercow needs to kick these repeated attempts into the long grass.
I think the Maybot is probably curled up underneath her desk, sobbing.
Less than two weeks to go and nobody has got a ****ing clue whats going on, or what, if any, arrangements are going to be in place at zero hour
I've been saying it for ages that I can't see anything other than a no deal, purely due to the sheer biblical level of incompetence presently on display by the total bunch of clowns in parliament. No Deal is the default, so thats exactly what is going to happen
And parliament passing a motion ruling out no deal is like me passing a motion to say I can't be run over, then going for a stroll down the outside lane of the M62
Third enquiry this morning asking if I can supply deliver before the 29th...takes us a month to manufacture
Looks like the last batch was literally the last I can send before we have some semblance of what's happening
I think people there are worried too about where this is going.
I still think she'll scrape a deal through at the last
......... then we get to repeat the last 3 years on steroids because you can bet a shiny brexit 50p coin that no brexiteer has the vaguest clue how to make the much tricker future rlationship & trade deals work either.
this farce has a long way to run yet
the ONLY thing we know for sure is that it will be the fault of everyone, but those that voted for it
[i]"the ONLY thing we know for sure is that it will be the fault of everyone, but those that voted for it"[/i]
Yep.
Europe were mean to us. The "Remainers" are unpatriotic. Various "Leave" politicians have been misquoted. The general public are being "too literal" in believing that everything was going to be easy.
I have no idea whether Brexit will be better or worse for the UK. Only time will tell. What I do know is that this whole thing has been a disgraceful sack of deliberate lies from start to finish. Shameful.
I do know that the gammons will moan whatever happens.
Any jobs lost will be because it wasn't a hard enough Brexit.
The reason we're in this mess is because our useless politicians have spent decades using the EU as a handy scapegoat for their own numerous failings. It wasn't us! Honest guv! It was them lot over in Brussels
I can't see that changing any time soon. Can you?
Is that no vote 3 then ?
Just here to laugh at Bercow's decision.
They can do it in a different session apparently.
Don't put it past them ...
... and the rudderless drift towards the cliff edge continues...
It's interesting that no one seemed to no this at the time.
(Or has a minister flagged this.)
They can do it in a different session apparently.
Don’t put it past them
As the current session runs until the Summer. That means September at the earliest.
We now need a GE or new ref to get an A50 extension or it’s no deal.
Has anyone asked Jezza if he thinks it's the time to push for a second referendum yet?
Alistair Campbell didn't think so yet. Last minute when its second ref or no deal was his view. Still - he cannot be wrong being a blairite can he?
For ****s sake - I have Brexit to thank for learning so much about how parliamentary procedure works. 😆
Couldn’t it just have been fox hunting or something else less contentious?!
John Bercow: An Apology.
The Guardian wishes to apologise to Mr Bercow for describing him as a pompous, entitled, **** every month for the past 20 years, and now states for the record that he is one of the greatest statesmen of the age. We regret any confusion this may have caused.
For **** sake – I have Brexit to thank for learning so much about how parliamentary procedure works
Looks the same for Teresa too.
The gammons are going to go mental! I can just see tomorrows Daily Fail headlines 😀
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Bercow needs to kick these repeated attempts into the long grass.
He just did sort of.
Oof.
https://twitter.com/iandunt/status/1107677345907908608?s=21
Although it is interesting to see that the headbangers are all up to blow smoke up Bercow’s arse.
The gammons are going to go mental! I can just see tomorrows Daily Fail headlines
You think? They hate the deal just as much as us. To them no deal is the only thing they want and at the moment that is exactly where we are heading.
I voted remain but accepted the leave vote.
The deal offered is worse than what we already have. Why leave with a worse deal?
Just leave with no deal and sort trade out deals. End.
Just leave with no deal and sort trade out deals. End.
Is this a serious comment?
You think? They hate the deal just as much as us.
Theres a gammon Tory MP on Five Live now saying he's voted against Mays bill the last two times but still demands his right to do so again. And then suggesting dissolving parliament
You really couldn't make it up
To them no deal is the only thing they want and at the moment that is exactly where we are heading.
Or May has to go and beg for an extension to Article 50?
I have Brexit to thank for learning so much about how parliamentary procedure works.
Is it like homeopathy?
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
Or May has to go and beg for an extension to Article 50?
And if she doesn't or the EU says no? Don't get me wrong I think something will change before the 29th but the current law says we leave on the 29th, which is one week on Friday!
I voted remain but accepted the leave vote.
The deal offered is worse than what we already have. Why leave with a worse deal?
I agree with the first part, but why is May's deal worse than no deal ? Is it the back stop, it would only be worse if the EU cynically tried to trap us in the backstop to prevent us leaving !!! But that makes no sense at all 🤔. Totally understand Bercows rulling but it could go horribly wrong for those hoping to remain, or those looking for a deal to make the best of a bad job.
why is May’s deal worse than no deal ?
Why is May’s deal better than no deal (other than the soundbite of her saying it is)?
Genuine question. From this side of the fence it looks to us like economic ruin, we'd love to be reassured to the contrary.
Because, y'know, even if you take it out of the current political situation, when in the history of ever has no deal been better than a poor one? The sentence itself is self-evidently abject nonsense.
Is a bad deal in a divorce settlement worse than leaving with nothing? Is getting an orange for your birthday worse than getting no presents at all? Because that's what's on the table here, make no mistake. We can leave with a bad deal (which is actually a pretty good deal in reality, arguably better than anyone expected we'd get) where we still get to keep a bunch of benefits, or we can leave with absolutely nothing. How in the name of your deity of choice is "nothing" better than "something" or "anything"?
Is getting an orange for your birthday worse than getting no presents at all?
If you have a severe orange allergy it is.
Context is everything.