What is Malthouse?
Its using magic (well unknown technology) to solve the NI issue.
Some quick fudging and a year added onto the transition and then, when the technology doesnt work, a no-deal brexit.
now looking forward to the prospect of watching working class brexit voters getting totalled by a combination of no deal Brexit and a conservative majority for the next decade.
And you wonder why they voted for brexit?
If this is accurate - there'll be no extension...
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1105797205712093184
Contrasting the statements coming from the EU and the UK Government I know which one I'd prefer to be in charge at the moment. Sound, rational statements, based in fact and reflecting the situation in hand vs UNICORNS!
And you wonder why they voted for brexit?
To stick it to the jet setting ski loving internationally conspiring non elected elites (see PrinceJohn's post).
If this is accurate – there’ll be no extension…
To add to this…
https://twitter.com/j_amesp/status/1104063446105161728?s=21
Let’s imagine there is a huge majority tonight for NOT leaving with no deal. If you were the EU then, would you not be sorely tempted to refuse an extension on the grounds that when pushed into the corner of no deal being the default in 14 days time and no possibility of an extension then the only thing left is to revoke Art 50?
But the law right now is that we will leave on March 29, with or without a deal. Until that law is changed, parliamentary votes on anything are worthless.
They're in a corner from which there is no way out.
At this stage I think it could go either way. They might vote against a no-deal later today but unless they actually pass legislation to either ask for an extension (subject of course to the EU actually agreeing to an extension) or to revoke A50, no-deal is still the default option as per A50 which is currently in place.
I want the Queen to dissolve Parliament, sack the Government, revoke Article 50 and take charge. It'd be hilarious watching the Daily Wail trying to reconcile the Queen of England (who everyone loves and adores) keeping us in the EU (which is against the will of the people).
Or for the end of Blackadder Back & Forth to be true cos right now I'd settle for King Edmund, Queen Marian of Sherwood and Prime Minister Baldrick.
Let’s imagine there is a huge majority tonight for NOT leaving with no deal. If you were the EU then, would you not be sorely tempted to refuse an extension on the grounds that when pushed into the corner of no deal being the default in 14 days time and no possibility of an extension then the only thing left is to revoke Art 50?
Not without either a vote in the commons to change the A50 law they previously voted in, or another Referendum where overturning the A50 law is essentially one of the options (requiring an extension with EU support, and of course for parliament to effectively break said law, because they went and put a date and time on it)...
MPs won't do the first because the Brexiteers will Cry "Betrayal" and if they do the second they're simply breaking a stupid "Law" (that they put in place) which may or may not be overturned as a result of the 2nd referendum, and Brexiteers will still call it a "Betrayal" even if it reflects a "Peoples vote" the only way for MPs to keep most of those those 17m Brexiteers happy now will be to Vote to leave without a deal tonight. Anything else burns them with Moggy, the ERG DM readers and ~1/3rd of the electorate...
Amendment time
What's the Spelman/Dromey amendment?
A bit more on those amendments which we're likely to hear a lot more about over the coming hours.Spelman/Dromey amendment: The amendment from Labour MP Jack Dromey and Conservative Caroline Spelman also changes the wording of the government motion to "this House rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship".
Malthouse Compromise: This amendment sets out the process for a "managed no-deal". It requests:
The government publish tariff schedules
An extension of leaving to 22 May 2019
'Mutual standstill agreements' between the UK and EU until the end of 2021, including payments to the EU
A unilateral guarantee of citizens' rights
It is called the Malthouse compromise because it was put together by Conservative minister Kit Malthouse, but it has been tabled in the name of former Conservative minister Damian Green.It is supported by members of the Brexiteer European Research Group of Conservative MPs and former Remain supporters such as Mr Green and Nicky Morgan.
The Independent Group amendments: One amendment states that "under no circumstances" should the UK leave without a deal, listing the alternatives as revocation of the UK's intention to leave, extension of the Article 50 period or a second referendum.
A second amendment scraps the second half of the government motion, shortening it to: "that this House declines to approve leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship on 29 March 2019"
It has been tabled by the Independent Group, which consists of eight former Labour MPs and three former Tories, who are all supporters of another EU referendum, and who quit their parties in protest at their Brexit policies.
Plaid Cymru amendment: It calls for an extension to the Article 50 leaving process to 2021, or until a future relationship is agreed.The amendment also requests a second referendum to take place, on whether or not the UK should leave with the agreed deal, or remain in the EU.
Cancel Brexit amendment: One final amendment has been tabled by former Tory Chancellor Ken Clarke, Labour's Keith Vaz and the SNP's Angus MacNeil.
It simply calls for the revocation of Article 50 to cancel Brexit.
None selected so far and the order will be critical - IE same people will not want the Plan Bollocks to the lot of you one last
But the law right now is that we will leave on March 29, with or without a deal. Until that law is changed, parliamentary votes on anything are worthless.
This is true - but it does at that point give an idea as to what to do next. If 'we' don't want to leave with no deal, it starts putting remain options on the table, something we've not had since the original ref.
(He says looking at his half full glass)
Top trolling from Donald Tusk.
Posting a kids drawing of a Unicorn on Instagram 😂
Hence amendments are key - my post end of last page
Salvini isn't in a position to veto as he's not an EU leader. I hope others do though. After the vote tonight, the only option on the table for the PM is to revoke A50. I suspect tories and May know this and she'll be thrown under the bus as the leader who cancelled Brexit.
A question for Roberto Azevedo...
"Who are you? I'd never heard of you. Nobody in Europe had ever heard of you.'"
Chancellors Spring Statement leaked
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/economy-doing-brilliantly-if-you-compare-it-to-28-days-later-says-hammond-20180314145883
What a lovable bloke you are. No chance of you being first against the wall come the revolution
The British need to learn some humility. There was a Guardian article a while back saying that we needed a huge blow to the country to bring that about. I was just more direct in the way I said it.
Come the revolution, I'll be in a country with more effective and intelligent leadership - such as the Philippines 😀
What should happen next:
• Quietly revoke Article 50
• Tell Brexiters we left with no deal
• Send them blue passport covers
• Give them special long queues at airports/ports
• Charge them for roaming calls/data
• Give them food and medicine ration books
• Get on with life
They’ll abolish all tariffs, then they’ll cut corporation tax or abolish it completely, then, inevitably, having destroyed the tax base its bye bye NHS, bye bye welfare state, and everything else….
At least we'll be able to tell every brexiteer until the day we die - "how's that 350m a week for the NHS working out for you" whilst laughing from our our private hospital beds.
Or for the aging middle class gammon voters, "how's that non existent minimum wage old age social care working out for you?"
More than enough schardenfreude to last several hundred lifetimes.
A nice counterpoint to the 'it's the remainer parliament thwarting the will of the people'
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/the-brexiteers-have-blown-it/amp/
Thanks Torsoinalake. This is bang on the money..
Brexit was fine until Brexit arrived; it worked better in theory than in practice not least because as a theoretical matter it was all about unleashing a greater Britain whereas, in reality, it has become a retreat. And worse than that, a retreat which has emphasised our smallness, not our majesty. Project Fear? No, Project This Is How It Is and no amount of blather about German car companies or Italian prosecco-makers can disguise or make up for that.
If the above about a conspiracy to remove the option of an extension is to be believed, then that Spectator piece as usual is woefully missing the mark.
A50 revocation or no deal. We're into the endgame, with not many Parliamentary options left. No time to change the government, no opportunity to remove TM as leader.
What should happen next:
Source for that, if anyone cares:
https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1105571463778709504
Some of the comments are interesting. Eg,
https://twitter.com/Wrexit/status/1105589909509885952
Today is fun in the Facebook comments sections - People who want to leave, calling MP's traitors for voting to leave with TM's WA.
I've just checked my copy of The New Oxford English Brexionary and it says:
"Traitor" (noun): Anyone who disagrees with a vocal leave voter. See also, "undemocratic."
HTH.
apparently Theresa May 'understands the voice of the country'
presumably because they are all saying the same thing to her F--- O-- !
So how many MPs are going to vote FOR no deal?
Will a poor showing shut up Duppity Mogg?
I think, when the dust has finally settled on the last nasty few years of in-fighting, belligerence and hatred, history will show that we could have left the EU in 2019, but the MPs who wanted to do so more than any other, were so hellbent on the most destructive, ill suited (for the vast majority of the population) version of it, they actually stopped it happening.
JRM, the postertoff for Leave, knowing that 'No Deal' will be shot down in flames tonight, knowing that once out, we were free to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world at our own pace without doing the UK terrible harm decided that rather than leave in 16 days, voted against it.
It's almost seems that rather than having an issue with the EUs rules, how they distribute money or how they consider how bendy a banana should be - seem more interested in damaging for the UK economy for some reason...
Farage daring the EU to reject any request for an extension. Verhofstadt seems to agree:
Farage's argument literally seems to be "I'm an annoying tit and if you have an extension then you'll have to put up with me for much longer"
Good to see Toadyface is still spouting lies.
I do like the term "Moggmentum" from that Spectator article, that's going to be my favorite descriptor for the ERG from here on...
Farage daring the EU to reject any request for an extension. Verhofstadt seems to agree:
"Gaping chasm"
I was thinking exactly the same thing Nige.
Doesn't he have a channel actually called Moggmentum??
Anyway.. What time is tonight's vote guys??
I do like the term “Moggmentum” from that Spectator article, that’s going to be my favorite descriptor for the ERG from here on…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moggmentum
Apparently it's a thing!
How anyone can think a bloke who's basically the Monopoly Character in looks and manner has their best interests at heart is completely beyond me.
Anyway.. What time is tonight’s vote guys??
7pm same time as always, just a warm up to the footie
I'm going with a slim chance of the sensible properly remove no deal making it through to the live final
Cheers Mike.
Interested to see how all the erg vote....
I think it'll go through unamended, which effectly would be MPs saying they don't want No Deal, but fully except that we're likely to get it, and won't push the government to stop it.
[ another meaningless stitch up ]
Interested to see how all the erg vote….
On the main bill if they step out of line and object to no deal then I expect them to be flogged in the street, it's their objective.
I can wish they get flogged.... Oh, how I wish!
What's truly funny, is how a lot of people voted to punish thems "Jewish bankers" but now there have been a flurry of good articles on how the City is going to weather his pretty well - but the rest of the country isn't.
Ooops.
Did they? 
Did they really say that?
As we head towards the “no deal” scenario, one of our suppliers is German based and they’re now asking for two months order coverage and to be paid up front.
Hey-ho it’s what the people wanted.
don't stop at bankers, almost every category possible of "sticking it to johnny foreigner" is going in approximately the opposite direction to what the brexit voters voted for
How anyone can think a bloke who’s basically the Monopoly Character in looks and manner has their best interests at heart is completely beyond me.
"Rich Uncle Pennybags," fact fans.
If JRM is RUP, he's in the wrong aspect ratio.
Did they really say that?
Anti-globalisation and anti-semitism often go hand in hand - in lexit and ERG/Ukip circles.
But if you take out the Jewish part, it's fairly well known that the vote was partly a **** you to bankers.
