its the outcome we dont want but the one we are heading for
still at least Brexit has settled the Tories internal europe conflict once & for all 🙂
Jezzers truly is a prat looking at that graph.
The Guardian on Corbyns performance today....
Profoundly uninspiring. There are times during national crisis when parliamentarians rise to the occasion. But there was no sign of that in those PMQs exchanges. Jeremy Corbyn was absolutely right, of course, when he said that Theresa May’s plan has been decisively rejected, but he did not get very far in challenging May to adopt Labour’s plan and he sounded relatively unengaged considering the seriousness of what is at stake. Although he highlighted some of the horrors of a no-deal Brexit, if anything he probably understated the potential problems, and sounded less passionate about the extent of the mess than he does when he is talking about issues like, say, homelessness or poverty. He restated the case for Labour’s Brexit, but he did not sound like someone poised to drive it through the House of Commons. Still, he had a a better case than May who, partly because of the problems with her voice, was literally pitiful. She had a carefully crafted soundbite (I may have lost my voice, but I understand the voice of the country), but it was not enough to restore her credibility. In the past, May has frequently accused Corbyn of wanting to stop Brexit (a surprise to those who have actually studied his record). But, interestingly, today she seemed to have dropped that line of attack, criticising him at one point for not restating his referendum policy yesterday and at another point highlighting his own Eurosceptic credentials
Anyone know what amendments have been selected?
Interested to see how all the erg vote….
I'm more interested in how Corbyn votes.
The data doesn't correlate with the title in that graph. The title says "vote against no deal" but the data shows no deal vs leave with a deal. Two very different things, and aside from anything else it effectively rules out the ability of remain voters to vote against it.
I bet a vote asking "should no deal be removed as a possibilty? [yes | no]" would have yielded a somewhat different result.
It's becoming more and more clear that today's vote is just pretend democracy, tabled by a time wasting PM. An utter waste of time. Another day knocked off.
but he did not get very far in challenging May to adopt Labour’s plan and he sounded relatively unengaged considering the seriousness of what is at stake.
An article in the Observer by Andrew Rawnsley a few months ago said that when asking those around Corbyn about his attitude to Brexit 'disengaged' was the one that was used repeatedly. He's just happy to let the Tory's get on with it, unopposed, and try and avoid being saddled with any of the blame for the fallout.
https://twitter.com/OwenSmith_MP/status/1105740294006427650
Anyone see the Emily Maitliss video on the Guardian where she looks like she is going to lamp Berry Gardiner?
I think I'm in love.....
Spellman amendment pulled… so there is now no chance for MPs to vote to stop No Deal. Another wasted day.
He’s just happy to let the Tory’s get on with it, unopposed, and try and avoid being saddled with any of the blame for the fallout
If that's the case, either he thinks his remainer base is thicker than his brexit base and won't see through him or he has some kind of early onset neurodegenerative disease.
Corbyn is on borrowed time now.
It must be fairly apparent to any sentient being that we're heading for No Deal. I just can't see any other outcome, as any other outcome would have to involve a degree of political courage and competence.
Anyone see that as likely, right now?
Spellman amendment pulled… so there is now no chance for MPs to vote to stop No Deal. Another wasted day.
Stolen from another source
Looks like the amendment will
Still be moved but the govt will whip their MPs which could see remainer resignations if they want to vote for it. High drama.
On the spellman amendment
speaker John Bercow says she can't withdraw her amendment and it hasn't been moved, and it is now in the hands of the House of Commons. He makes clear that other signatories can move the amendment later this evening.
Dafuq?
It must be fairly apparent to any sentient being that we’re heading for No Deal. I just can’t see any other outcome, as any other outcome would have to involve a degree of political courage and competence.
I'm just wondering where the easiest deal in history has got to?
I'm also wondering why none of the Leave camp are questioning that or indeed any of the other patently bollocks claim that were made and thinking "hang on a sec, if they lied to us over that...."
Oh I know; it's all the fault of the EU and the Remoaners. Ah, that's cleared that up then...
The BBC are reporting that the runmour coming out of Westminster is that the Maybot intends to brazen this out, let the clock run down and then put her unamended shitty deal back to for a third vote on the 26th of March, on a 'vote for it or we crash out' basis.
That has been obviously the plan since November.
Keep looking busy while the clock ticks down.
Tick. Tock.
Yep maybots has no other plan for months
Did I read that bercow might not allow a MV3 vote though as it's just the same thing again?
If it's the only way the government offers to avoid No Deal in the final days… and MPs have voted to say they don't want No Deal, but have not voted to stop it… then Bercow will have to allow MV3, as the only way to stop No Deal.
It's a trap!
Ah the Malthouse amendment that is incompatible with the EU and basically a meaningless way to no deal by another name will all be the fault of the EU when they point out it's no good. Another tory idiot on the BBC.
Do we know if the Ken Clark one is on the list?
Found the answers - Place your Bets
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/deal-or-no-deal-place-your-bets-now-special-odds-one-night-only/
Well the DFDS Liam Fox is enjoying his time at the dispatch box, he might need a ministerial red box to help him leave the chamber without more embarrassment.
Anyone find it funny how it's never legally binding unless they win it.....
Despite Caroline Spelman's wish not to move her amendment on a no-deal Brexit, the Labour MP Yvette Cooper - a co-signatory - has decided to move it herself.
Expect the result in around 15 minutes.
It's awwn!
Anyone find it funny how it’s never legally binding unless they win it…..
Sadly, no.
Whilst many have talked about how our 2 party system is broken, what's become apparent for me throughout this farce is how broken the parliamentary process is. Full of needless pomp and ceremony with grown adults behaving like toddlers. It's not fit for purpose in a modern society and needs massively overhauled.
🙂
Thank **** for that.
Passed by 4
Bloody hell, that was close!
Needs a second vote only 4 votes in it lol
Who would have ever thought that parliament tv is more entertaining than Netflix
Needs a second vote only 4 votes in it lol
Sadly, no.
Whilst many have talked about how our 2 party system is broken, what’s become apparent for me throughout this farce is how broken the parliamentary process is. Full of needless pomp and ceremony with grown adults behaving like toddlers. It’s not fit for purpose in a modern society and needs massively overhauled.
Maybe if I had used fishy
Get. In.!
So now we have reality vs fantasy, certainly the noise level doesn't sounds like enough want the Malthouse amendment through. Another 10 mins to wait on this one.
I did not think it would be that close, almost half the MP's are OK with no deal.
Tories lost this against the whip too
This is more exciting than the rugby! 😀
How many Tory remainer resignations tonight?
Yep time to find out which ministers are going to resign
Is the so called 'independent group' about to get a lot bigger?
Adler good on the beeb at the moment - pity about the human toad on the other side of the conversation.
what’s become apparent for me throughout this farce is how broken the parliamentary process is. Full of needless pomp and ceremony with grown adults behaving like toddlers.
I dunno. Parliamentary process might get us out of this. The blame lies with May. Not opening up a public debate on what Brexit should be allowing the negotiations to proceed was unforgivable. Why the hell should we all have her version of Brexit forced upon us? She says she's giving the people the kind of Brexit they want. We weren't asked, how the hell does she know?
