[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Yes it contains some facts, that make a compelling case for leave.

Gove on Radio 4 this am - sticking fingers in ears going la la la to the market forecasts of a 15% Sterling drop on Friday 🙁

What are they on.
At least have the credibility and conviction in their views to say "it's going to be a bit shit for a while*, but we regard that as a price worth paying to 'take back control'".

Just dismissing the views of almost every expert is just delusional.
Farage is was the same on R4 yesterday - sound bites from gobshites

Charlatans and snake oil salesmen

It was interesting to hear him dismiss them all then pull on the one expert who did agree with him and then do an [ incorrect ] appeal to Delores authority, I also like the way he slagged of [EU} politicians in office as unable to say the truth[ so all liars] without any hint of self awareness about his own position.

TBH , shit that he was in actually being intellectually rigorous and honest, he did the interview well

THat is a shocking damnation of the fact they dint answer the questions and the interviewers don't just rip them apart for being hypocrites

Not just a Gove point but it was all that was bad in politics.

rkk01 - "from a friends FB share"
. . .The source of all credibility. Silly.

Silly me.

I thought I'd be honest about where I got it from - but of course, that's not the game here is it...

I actually read the content and thought - yep, that's a good summary.

As others have said, feel free to challenge the factual content - as there's not much point challenging the source because I've been honest about where it came from

Gove on Radio 4 this am - sticking fingers in ears going la la la to the market forecasts of a 15% Sterling drop on Friday

Short term noise. I'll be making some reasonably substantial moves back into Sterling if that happens.

Anyone running a country on the basis of short term fx predictions is a fool. In any case the euro is screwed so its incoveivable to me the pound will be worth less vs euro in the medium term

Who gives a monkeys about £:€, apart from holidays / folks with multiple homes.

£:$ is what effects our trade / competitiveness / prices

As others have said, feel free to challenge the factual content - as there's not much point challenging the source because I've been honest about where it came from

I wouldn't hold your breath - the content was unpalatable but the source was an easy target..

Short term noise

Maybe....

But it was a very LOUD noise wasn't it..

[quote=rkk01 ]Who gives a monkeys about £:€, apart from holidays / folks with multiple homes.
£:$ is what effects our trade / competitiveness / prices

everyone who exports to europe?

Stop Press.

Golden Balls is voting Remain.

Gosh. Wow.

rkk01 » Who gives a monkeys about £:€, apart from holidays / folks with multiple homes.
£:$ is what effects our trade / competitiveness / prices

Folks with multiple homes would make a (paper) profit from falling GBP, eg asset has gone up £50k equivalent so an extra £1k on servicing costs is not an issue. Also of course anyone with a foreign property who rents it out when they are not using it as income in that foreign currency

As above falling pound is good for exports and we have a trade deficit thats important, we should be exporting more, importing less

Ooh! Does that upset you or something jamba? Or are you concerned that if it doesn't go the way you want all your carefully crafted plans to make money out of this huge bunch of arse go south?
All about me isn't it

I believe Gerry Adams is going to be at the next STW meet up, on his Ragley, meeting his new STW buddies.

Folks with multiple homes would make a (paper) profit from falling GBP, eg asset has gone up £50k equivalent so an extra £1k on servicing costs is not an issue. Also of course anyone with a foreign property who rents it out when they are not using it as income in that foreign currency

I believe Gerry Adams is going to be at the next STW meet up, on his Ragley, meeting his new STW buddies.

???

Stop Press.

Golden Balls is voting Remain.

Gosh. Wow.

Alas most of their big names are no longer with us.
Pol pot, mussolini, enoch powell, and am resisting godwins law 😉

sound bites from gobshites

I'm stealing that 😀

The obsession with "balance" in the media is a lot to blame for the current confusion a lot of people feel. The BBC report that "the Leave campaign say that we send £350M to the EU every week, the Remain campaign say those figures are false".

Have some guts, do some journalism yourself - don't just report "he said, she said", report that you've investigated the £350M figure yourself and it's bollocks.

The problem is - and I've found this talking to Leave-leaning people - is that no-one believes anyone. If you report everything as a clash of personalities, not facts, then the issues are judged on whether you like the personalities on either side.

Which, in this case, means we're stuffed as the personalities on both sides are pretty horrible.

Ooh! Does that upset you or something jamba? Or are you concerned that if it doesn't go the way you want all your carefully crafted plans to make money out of this huge bunch of arse go south?
All about me isn't it

I have posted on this frequently. Best short term gain for me is increased house proces in the event of Remain. I am voting Leave for the medium and long term benefit of the country. I'll probably be retired by the time the economic benefits really kick in.

If pound drops after a Leave I am a buyer as I think its an overshoot and I think Europe is totally ****ed, only a matter of time before Greek/Soveriegn debt crises comes home to roost.

falling pound is good for exports and we have a trade deficit thats important, we should be exporting more, importing less

SO one sided its amusing in a tragic way.

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-fake-revolt-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite ]Brexit is a fake revolt[/url]

That list keeps on growing, doesn't it? Are you finding it the same in the Leave camp?

Yes indeed. 2 friends last night confirmed they have decided on Leave as I posted. Celebrety ensdorsements aren't really my thing but I'll take Ian Botham over Golden Balls all day long.

2 more days to go

You are all wrong. 😉

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Alas most of their big names are no longer with us.
Pol pot, mussolini, enoch powell, and am resisting godwins law

Long time dead most of those thank god.
You've got Warmonger Tony Blair and also Gerry Adams supporting remain though . . .

only a matter of time before Greek/Soveriegn debt crises comes home to roost

Is that that Eurozone bailout you're talking about again?

The one we have nothing to do with?

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/page/150#post-7783932 ]BBC FACT CHECK[/url]

[i]I'll probably be retired by the time the economic benefits really kick in.[/i]

Retired?

[b]We'll[/b] be dead, as in 'not in our lifetime'!

@slowoldman - Paul Mason has that @rse about face. Remain is the establishment elite campaign and option. What's more elitist than an unelected commission running the show and sticking two fingers up at democracy ? He should get himself over to Athens with that line of argument and see how it goes

Is that that Eurozone bailout you're talking about again?

The one we have

Sadly @mrlebowski you are going to have to wait and see, even if we vote Leave we'll be dragged in (via IMF as well as EU) but much less so than if we Remain

@br, 🙂

So the likes of Gove and Johnson are not elitist? They are going to save us from dishonest politicians and faceless bureaucrats?

What's more elitist than an unelected commission running the show and sticking two fingers up at democracy ?

I know this one it unelected Lords with a head of state decided by birth right
THE COMMISIONERS ARE ELECTED BY THE MEPS unlike the lords and the Head of state. You are telling porkies again.
You must not have nay pants lefts seeing as you say such barefaced lies constantly 🙄

All the elected commissioners can do is propose laws the other two BOTH must pass. Given this how are they "running the show"

Abuse directed at Warsi

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-baroness-warsi-defect-islamophobic-abuse-brexit-supporters-remain-leave-a7091076.html ]Low[/url]

This, particularly unpleasant:

One message read: “typical MUSLIM ! Lie ,cheat,lie ,cheat ,lie ,good job your in a country like the UK otherwise you'd be stoned by now FACT

British stocks would be the best-performing equities in Europe should Britain vote for Brexit in 10 days time, according to a note sent to Deutsche Bank clients ... But to digress the referendum is principally about culture - prosperity is a byproduct of culture ..

So the likes of Gove and Johnson are not elitist? They are going to save us from dishonest politicians and faceless bureaucrats?

Same tired old argument. They can go after we rid ourselves of the EU.

The abuse directed at warsi - Its actually making me impressed with our education system that people that thick have computer skills to allow them to post that

I wouldn't want to be reminded of things I did as a teenager - but then, I'm not a politician...

[url= http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/after-his-nazi-propaganda-poster-people-are-resharing-the-shocking-letter-where-one-of-nigel-farages-teachers-calls-him-a-fascist--Zkb587Ow4b ]Farage marches through Sussex singing Hitler Youth songs[/url]

Who new that under the bon hommie of the pub drunk lurked the sol of a right wing racist

he has certainly hidden it well

he has certainly hidden it well

closet fascist.

You guys are obsessed with racism. Thankfully out in the real world in the U.K. it is not the huge problem that you are making out.

Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.

The real heart of the matter:

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So about 1bn UK shall we devide that by 350 Million 100 Million and see how many weekly insatllments that is

Who finances infrastructure over 10 months ? Certainky not the Australians. £100m a week could build 70 (?) hospitals at £1bn each

@GrahamS 🙂

He's no chef either, his fish filleting was diabolical !

You guys are obsessed with racism.

Thankfully out in the real world in the U.K. it is not the huge problem that you are making out.

Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.

I imagine this particular Celebrity Endorsement will leave Singletrackers on both sides feeling a bit mixed 🙂

I live in the suburbs, our street more diverse than when we lived in a not so nice bit of that London

I imagine this particular Celebrity Endorsement will leave Singletrackers on both sides feeling a bit mixed