I know Grahams, I'm now siding with a racist, 😉 . See that Ernie, conflicted soft lefty !
some strange bed fellows in this indeed, I feel dirty being on the same side as the AA Gill 😳
hankfully out in the real world in the U.K. it is not the huge problem that you are making out.
So, why are voters so drawn in by a racist politician??? If not a "real world problem" now, then it certainly will be if Farage gets near the levers of power...
And, please answer this - why has an MP been murdered and a leading Muslim politician massively abused (with race / religious hate comments)?
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.
Former pit village with a fair few social ills...
why do you think we are all guys?
I never said you were.
Yes the MP who was killed by the racist loon would tend to suggest otherwise.
Isolated incident thank god, probably due more to mental illness. But nothing to do with the 90 odd % of good people in this country.
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.Who knew your "insultsights" would be so wide of the mark?
You can only vouch for yourself.
I never said you were.
You called us guys what else did you mean then?
Isolated incident thank god
True but will fall under the umbrella of racist issue as you noted thereby negating your original point - why have I had to explain this?
You can only vouch for yourself.
Unlike you who wants to make pronouncements about where everyone else lives and then not accept when it was wide of the mark and you were wrong.
Not funny, not insightful really not interested.
It will just be more of this wont it 😥
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I never said you were.You called us guys what else did you mean then?
Isolated incident thank godTrue but will fall under the umbrella of racist issue as you noted thereby negating your original point - why have I had to explain this?
You can only vouch for yourself.Unlike you who wants to make pronouncements about where everyone else lives and then not accept when it was wide of the mark and you were wrong.
Not funny, not insightful really not interested.
It will just be more of this wont it
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Sweet did you just say he was a girl ?
Only when he does his silence of the lambs dance in front of the mirror
Jeez , some real amateur dramatics goes on round here . . .
Graham - I think hell may have frozen over as Clarkson is trying to be politically correct 🙂
£100m a week could build 70 (?) hospitals at £1bn each
Then you just need to fill them with staff.
Then you just need to fill them with staff.
Yes indeed. We don't need 70 new hospitals as far as I am aware although the NHS mgmt are all over the place as one minute they say £8bn pa more required then its £20bn - thats a hell of a range
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity.
You're a bit confused - the most strongly "Remain" areas are the ones with most diversity (Lambeth for example) whereas the ones where they assassinate their MPs are the ones with little.
NHS mgmt are all over the place as one minute they say £8bn pa more required then its £20bn - thats a hell of a range
Good old Jamba. As I recall the NHS said they needed 30bn, and the Tories said f*** that, you can have 8, and find the other 22bn from "efficiency savings".
Funnily enough I bet most of you live out in the suburbs well away from much diversity. Laughable.
London Zone 3.
Probably about as diverse as it gets!
Sadly @mrlebowski you are going to have to wait and see, even if we vote Leave we'll be dragged in (via IMF as well as EU) but much less so than if we Remain
#jambafact..
London Zone 3 - how's that for you? Probably about as diverse as you can get....!
Great, yes definitely diverse. I wonder where most of the STW Remainers live though?
Islington, obviously.
That's the answer you were implying, right?
I wonder where most of the STW Remainers live though?
Dunno where most are, but I'm outskirts of Stockport (posh end). 90% English (yep English, not even British). Always been a fairly liberal area though (small l) so I would guess plenty of inners and outers.
Great, yes definitely diverse. I wonder where most of the STW Remainers live though?
Small ex-pit village in the Tyne Valley, about ten miles west of Newcastle. Predominantly middle-class white. Not very diverse.
Straw poll down the pub the other night suggests it is a pretty even split between Breleave and Bremain here.
Bedfordshire here. No idea what neighbours think as i don't really care. Most friends are remain as they all can see the reality of the situation and the economics, does seem to be a correlation with having kids too
Great, yes definitely diverse. I wonder where most of the STW Remainers live though?
Zone 2 here, but less diverse than Lambeth.
Milton Keynes baby !
Formerly Brentford prob a bit more diverse here ?
I see that the handwashing has begun
Cardiff suburbs here. Surrounded by immigrants in our street, and damn proud of it.
Nissan are taking legal action against the leave campaign after they repeatedly refused requests to stop using their logo and misrepresenting their statements.
I wonder where most of the STW Remainers live though?
Reasonably diverse here -
Ethnic Group (2011)
White 57.93%
Asian or Asian British 26.62%
Black or Black British 8.98%
Mixed 4.44%
Other 2.03%
Total 100.00%
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Nissan are taking legal action against the leave campaign after they repeatedly refused requests to stop using their logo and misrepresenting their statements.
As are Toyota and Unilever I think.
And somewhat bizarrely, while she isn't suing (I think), Victoria Beckham is also pointing out that contrary to the 'leave' camps publicity, she favours remaining in Europe.
Not that the last one should really influence anyone.
At this rate Farage will be along to say his views have been misrepresented and taken out of context and he always favoured remaining, pass the claret would you...
Edit: actually I'm being unfair to VB. I've never met her, she's probably a nice person and a dedicated mother, and she is definitely entitled to a) have an opinion and b) not have it misrepresented for political gain. Sorry Mrs B.
I see that the handwashing has begun
Remember Boris being on the fence before this all kicked off? I believe he's using the whole thing as a catapult into a top cabinet position or even PM. Brexit or Remain he's going to come out on top.
Brexit: Pretty obvious, as he fronted it. Cameron will step out, Boris will step in.
Remain: If it is Remain it will be close, hence Boris and his gang cannot be ignored. To placate them they will be handed a few top cabinet positions, with Boris taking the top spot offered.
I'd guess he's hoping for Remain as the ride will be a little less bumpy.
EDIT: Thinking about it, I hardly associate Boris with Leave... Gove, IDS and Farage are much more at the forefront of my mind
Remember Boris being on the fence before this all kicked off? I believe he's using the whole thing as a catapult into a top cabinet position or even PM
No shit Sherlock. You don't think this is about anything other than Boris do you?
Remember Boris being on the fence before this all kicked off?
I seem to remember him being questioned on the fact that he wrote two articles. One supporting Stay and one supporting Leave, before he picked a side and published the Leave one. Basically he just picked the side that is the most politically expedient for him.
No shit Sherlock. You don't think this is about anything other than Boris do you?
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Gove has motivated hundreds of thousands to vote Remain by saying he'll resign from government if the vote goes against him. 🙂
Gove has motivated hundreds of thousands to vote Remain by saying he'll resign from government if the vote goes against him.
Having heard him on the radio this morning he talked me into remain better than anything else I have heard, now he has promised that I'm going to see if I can somehow vote twice.
first one of these Ive seen. interesting, but not unexpected.
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EDIT: HATTIP: Ben Cooper on Twitter
Just remember boys and girls, come Thursday the rules are:
Vote early, vote often
And with regard to that map Stoner, isn't it interesting the places you tend to find 'immigrants' (ie cities) are pro-EU, while quite a few of what I understand to be the net recipients of cash (farming areas, south west England, Norfolk) are anti-EU.
I love the way you can spot Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield and York.
When do the phones open?
Just convinced three guys who weren't going to bother to go out and vote. Years of FPTP have left us with incredible voter apathy. Took a while to explain how their vote counts differently this time to a GE. Three Remains in the bag. (I think anyway... 🙂 )
Just convinced three guys who weren't going to bother to go out and vote
Good skills, I don't think I know many people who aren't going to vote one way or another.
One of the strangest anomalies is within the farming community. Most farmers have little to no contact with migrants (unless employing cheap labour and they would be Remain you might think), and are net recipients of EU money in the form of agricultural subsidies. However, on the British Farming Forum the straw poll is currently 29% remain and 71% Leave. To be fair the main arguments do not revolve around the immigration card but rather the wish for greater self determination. I am guessing it is a kickback against all the restrictions they see are placed on farming because they think that they are over a barrel because of the subsidies they receive. They seem to think that if there were no subsidies they would be free to do things they can't do now. Trouble is most of them have not realised that ALL industries have the same red-tape and restrictions and don't get a penny of subsidy.
I had a farming acquaintance coming up with stuff anti eu recently.
His latest one was about not being able to use roundup as they hadn't decided on if to renew the license.
It seemed to go quiet when i mentioned that there have been links made with various types of cancer in literature and coincidentally one of the cancers linked to glyphosphates was the reason that both my father and grandfather died (both farmers).
I don't object to picking specifics but at least be accurate and acknowledge the reasons
Yet at the same time the NFU stance is Remain. I can see the farmers' view though - especially the little guys who have an increased burden of paperwork.
I can see the farmers' view though - especially the little guys who have an increased burden of paperwork.
One of my drinking buddies is a Leaver and a independent free-range chicken farmer. From his point of view the EU is a lot of red tape and regulations that he has to follow, whilst farmers in other EU countries (apparently) get away without following them and still get to import their eggs at cheaper prices.
I'm not sure how much of that is perception versus reality, but I can sympathise.
But for me (as a non-farmer) that sounds like an issue of enforcement of existing animal welfare & farming regulations within the EU - not necessarily a reason to leave it.
whilst farmers in other EU countries (apparently) get away without following them and still get to import their eggs at cheaper prices.
So what's the solution to that? Enforce the regs in other countries..
2011: The ethnicity of Rutland residents is made up as follows: 97% White, 1% Mixed/multiple ethnic group, 1% Asian/Asian British, 1% of Black/African/Caribbean/Black British and other ethnic groups
The MP flipped from Out to Remain. Most people I speak to are a bit equivocal but slightly in favour of remain. The impact on the stock market rather than migration seems to focus minds.
