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Theresa May has been warned of "dire" electoral consequences for the Tories if she persists with her Brexit plan.
Yep, we can see what the real issue is there.... It's job security for the Tory Party
Did anyone else see this? Looks like we're going to get bitch slapped when we try and join the WTO as well, by not only Argentina and Spain - but our extra special friends across the pond as well!
Watching the worlds of chest thumping empire loving brexiters crumble around them is going to be good fun. Turns out, no one likes Britain and there is **** all we can do about it!
Someone in the express comments today said that thier human rights would be violated if there wasn't a no deal scanario.
I was almost tempted to sign up just so that I could point out that the human rights act is based on European law and that they wouldn't have any human rights if it were not for the EU.
But I thought it would be a wasted effort.. if you've ever read the comments on there you'll see they are a bunch of dribbling flag waving morons..
Noone, politically at least, is talking about problems with WTO membership. Just accepted as a done deal
The absolute state of politicians in the UK.
https://twitter.com/OwenPaterson/status/1049199778742063104
I was almost tempted to sign up just so that I could point out that the human rights act is based on European law and that they wouldn’t have any human rights if it were not for the EU.
Just as well you didn't, you avoided making a fool of yourself.
Just as well you didn’t, you avoided making a fool of yourself.
How so in the daily express context of no more European anything ..?
The human rights contained within this law are based on the articles of the European Convention on Human Rights. The Act ‘gives further effect’ to rights and freedoms guaranteed under the European Convention. It means:
- Judges must read and give effect to other laws in a way which is compatible with Convention rights.
- It is unlawful for a public authority to act in a way which is incompatible with a Convention right.
The ECHR is separate from the EU, for instance members include Russia, so when we leave the EU we will still be a member.
Noone, politically at least, is talking about problems with WTO membership. Just accepted as a done deal
That is because historically, even as late as 2003 - Britain has been used to being able to get it's way geopolitically. There has been a steady decline in our relevance since the collapse of the iron curtain , that has now come to an acute head. Mainland Europe has more power relative to us than it ever has - while the rest of the world still dislikes us due to empire etc. Our only friends were the yanks and Aussies and even they aren't reliable partners now.
Our politicians typical PPE education seems to equip them for the economic and political landscape of the 18th century as well - I should imagine a good understanding of game theory and thus how the newly developed world now operates and responds to British interests, is well beyond them.
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The ECHR is separate from the EU, for instance members include Russia, so when we leave the EU we will still be a member.
Well that's not true is it. Leaving the EU won't make us leave the ECHR but that doesn't mean we'll remain a member. At the moment we're compelled to but a lot fo the far right brexit headbangers want to drag us out, and while May has committed to staying in even she accepted she has no commons majority to do so.And all through the campaign people used the ECHR as an example of things we need to turk back control of.
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If there is no Bill to leave the ECHR she doesn't need a majority because there will be no vote, the status quo will be maintained, leaving the ECHR is not an automatic consequence of the passage of any of the Bills going through parliament (or Acts already passed.)
Hopefully the EU will tie in ECHR membership to any deal they offer the UK… because May made plenty of noises about getting out from under it when she was Home Secretary… and there are plenty in her party that feel even stronger about it. Even though the ECHR is a huge success story for the UK… it looks like we may require other countries to make/encourage us to stick with it.
Now, back to business …
The absolute state of politicians in the UK.
https://twitter.com/propertyspot/status/1049261111340687360?s=21
It's a "bait-and-switch" con job.
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leaving the ECHR is not an automatic consequence of the passage of any of the Bills going through parliament (or Acts already passed.
Nobody here suggested otherwise, as you well know.
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Nobody here suggested otherwise, as you well know.
I do and therefore I wonder how they are comfortable with saying my initial post is untrue.
The National Audit Office absolutely savaging Brexit this morning.
But of course, Brexit supporting MPs need no help in savaging themselves. Who votes for these people?
Peter Bone, the Conservative Brexiter, goes next,
He says Morse is being unusually frank for a civil servant. He is answering questions.
Morse says he isn’t a civil servant. He works for the House of Commons. (The NAO reports to parliament, not to government.)
Wow, that is a little blunt there, of course we all know what we think of experts. To the unicorn farm batman!
Wow, that is a little blunt there, of course we all know what we think of experts. To the unicorn farm batman!
Meanwhile, headline news at the BBC is "Gay Cake!"
DUP now threatening to vote against the budget, if May signs up to an Irish backstop that's acceptable to the Irish government. A circle that's hard to square.
Cross fingers … some circlesquaring … that may help keep DUP onboard … but then there's the ERG … multiplayer chess … of course it fits with Corbyn&Co's policy so far (because his position really does matter) …
https://twitter.com/peston/status/1049989093814398976?s=21
theres either an epic fudge or an epic flounce coming
Who was looking for Brexit positives? Here's one. Well.. a potential one...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/10/brexit-leaving-eu-farming-agriculture
ah the moon boot getting on in on farming again, in other news....
Farming subsidies can be crazy but the irony is leaving the EU does not give the UK power to unilaterally change them. Any subsidies would have to be agreed in WTO if we go that way. Obviously New Zealand would like to see no subsidies for lamb going to any farmers in the UK and no tariff for import of their product.
long term it might work out well but in the short term because the government is not organised in any way many people will get screwed
... and zero tariffs on meat would destroy the UK farming industry inside of a week.
Sorry, that's probably "project fear" again, isn't it.
Hell of a weapon those leavers have got there to dismiss any predictions or warnings that they don't like. I wish we'd thought of it.
Well.. a potential one…
Not really. Remember the British government had plenty of influence on the farming subsidies. Admittedly not as much as the French but in terms of how it was used in the UK with the massive upside for the big landowners, or tory peers as many are also known, a lot was down to UK implementation decisions.
A little while ago, someone was trying to defend the BBC as being not really biased about brexit. Someone else posted on Twitter a list of all the MEPs who had been invited on to question time in the last 5 years. 35 in total, 33 from ukip and twice hannan who might as well be a member. Not a single MEP from any of the other parties, not a single MEP to defend the European parliament or EU more generally and explain what it does for us.
The question would be were the UKIP lot on (farage) because they were mep's or because they were a handy representative of leave. Whereas there were plenty of non mep's to defend the eu.
I thought QT always had a token nutter on the panel to rant about something topical, so UKIP would have been a perfect fit over much of the past N years. If it was all people with moderate views it'd be a bit beige.
We need a bit more beige at the moment.
We need A LOT more beige at the moment.
Assuming beige means politicians with policies based on facts and issues not fear mongering, unicorns and sunlit uplands.
That £1bn bribe to the DUP looking mighty foolish right now, especially as barnier showed no sign of budging on cu cu proposals yesterday.
With Italys populists throwing a tantrum the EU have to make exit look tough or they'll be conceding on (& weakening) the SM/CU alll over the place.
With Italys populists throwing a tantrum the EU have to make exit look tough or they’ll be conceding on (& weakening) the SM/CU alll over the place.
Leaving has had to look bad enough (look but not necessarily be) that if you are not France/Germany you risk collapsing. Italy are always on that point anyway so it should not need to be so much to discourage them...
Assuming beige means politicians with policies based on facts and issues not fear mongering, unicorns and sunlit uplands.
Yes that is the sort of beige I had in mind. Perhaps it would be more acceptable if we rebranded it Magnolia.
Assuming beige means politicians with policies based on facts and issues not fear mongering, unicorns and sunlit uplands.
Oh yes, wall to wall beige would be nice for anyone actually making a decision (or likely to). The nutters do make for entertaining telly though, in a 'shouting at the screen with disbelief and waiting for someone to challenge the frothing nonsense spewing from their mouth' kind of way.
"there will be no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside" David Davis, 10 October 2016
10 October 2018
An unhappy Tory MP…
https://news.sky.com/story/mp-tom-tugendhats-fury-over-no-deal-brexit-plan-for-m26-motorway-11523504
(edit : sorry, that's pretty much a duplicate of your link @kimbers)
The nutters do make for entertaining telly though,
Poiltics as entertainment.
Look where it is taking us.
It is all going so well :
and
https://news.sky.com/story/obr-likens-no-deal-brexit-impact-to-three-day-week-11523664
if youre a subscriber, fascinating insight into how the negotiations have gone
https://www.ft.com/content/a7298efa-cc1c-11e8-b276-b9069bde0956
if youre not, to summarise...
that Olly Robbins has been the only grown up on the UK side
USA taking every opportunity to squeeze us, while the EU keeps backing us on international trade matters… as we Leave them…
…yet most UK media still painting it the other way around.
another evisceration of the brexiters from Ivan rogers here
long read but goes into detail about just how deluded many MPs still are about it all
Next batch of "Protect and Survive" guides are out.
Lights might be going out all over NornRland, come March.
Britain's space industry "success story" might need the prefix "former".
IT companies might be able to transfer data into the UK from the EU if its written in the contract. And the EU doesn't get petty.
Blimin' 'eck, we really need the grown ups to come charging in on the spitfire winged unicorns. Soon as.
Edit: Ooops! Two were from September...
next batch, and shock horror. No more eurotunnel in a no deal situation.
and because no one ever thinks about it.
Dublin Belfast train service, is that also shut down?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1050774444740882432?s=21
What is our government doing to help companies here prepare? Beyond writing notices that basically say "ask someone else about it, we don't really know" and keeping its own preparations secret 'till the last minutes?