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But you have gotta love Arlene talking about 'dodgy' deals 🙂
Do these people have absolutely no sense of honour?
Do these people have absolutely no sense of honour?
They are the DUP.
They will tear down anything to preserve their position. Anything. Really. Anything. Present company excepted, it's no bad thing that everybody on the mainland is getting to see just how they operate.
I really can’t stress this enough, but if you voted for Brexit you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. The damage you’ve done to this country should rest squarely on your shoulders, but sadly those of us with an ounce of common sense are going to be dragged down with the absolute shit show that’s really starting to unravel now
If you’d have asked who were the last people on Earth you’d with the power to hold the U.K. government to ransom then the DUP would top the list, closely followed by the hard right lunatic fringe of the Tory party.
The fact that these two groups of headbangers are now dictating policy is absolutely terrifying!
Christ only knows where they’re going to take us! Nowhere good, that’s for damn sure!
Do these people have absolutely no sense of honour
where have you been? All they care about is their own narrow spiteful interests. The majority in the north voted against brexit, but **** it the anti- everything party will stand firm ,no surrender, etc, etc
Do these people have absolutely no sense of honour
LOL I've been misreading that as humour, as it works just the same.
Pack of dogs basically, the DUP ERG really dont like each other, then you have the middle ground Torie brexitters looking after themselves, then the Tory remainers.
Four packs of dogs with varying sets of teeth and numbers of dogs. The DUP will get taken out by the other three packs at some point as will the ERG.
The real question is who will vote for Mays dodgy deal.
The real question is who will vote for Mays dodgy deal.
If May gets a deal they will all vote for it due to brown trousers
Whoa there, this one might get some traction
<h2>Spotify and Netflix</h2>
It also emerged on Friday that consumers may not be able to access online services such as Netflix, Spotify and Amazon Prime when travelling to the EU on holiday in the event of no deal.Regarding the “portability of online content service”, a notice published on 24 September but previously unreported said: “The portability regulation will cease to apply to UK nationals when they travel to the EU.”
My Netflix account is based on the US... I can still use in the UK and Europe... each location has unique catalogs
downloads don’t play from UK to USA but seem to in Europe
I am absolutely appalled by the DUP. They won't stand for any difference in trade requirements across the Irish sea, but are quite happy for a different approach to same sex marriage and what decisions a woman can make about her own body.
They supported Brexit from the beginning and get what they deserve in my book. What did they expect? Also, they seem more willing to have extra checks at a beefed up border with ROI which shows the lack of sanctity of the Good Friday Agreement.
May is in a very week position, but she should cut them loose.I am sure Foster has said that a deal which sees border checks in the Irish sea is unpalatable and could spark the breakup of the UK. If a deal May can get is stifled by this small band of idiots she certainly risks greater chance of a break up of the UK from a different flank.
May is in a very week position, but she should cut them loose.I am sure Foster has said that a deal which sees border checks in the Irish sea is unpalatable and could spark the breakup of the UK. If a deal May can get is stifled by this small band of idiots she certainly risks greater chance of a break up of the UK from a different flank.
This.
I would rather leave the Protestant Northern Irish to the Catholics and RO and keep the Scots.. Cut 'em adrift I say.....
May is in a very week position, but she should cut them loose.
And with the being the Government. She is not PM without them.
Today good old DD called for a revolt over her Brexit proposal, she doesn't even have control of her own party now. It's a huge mess and I at this point the only way out is to force her out.
If she cuts them loose then the government collapses. Then what happens? Chaos! Absolute chaos like we've probably never witnessed in this country. Finding ourselves with no government at the most critical point in this countries history since the second world war?
And then what?
The optimists like to think that a Corbyn government would be elected and we'd then have a more sensible approach to Brexit, but if the last ten years history has taught us anything, its that in times of crisis people are looking to the right, not the left for answers.
Unbelievable though it seems, I can only see what emerges out of the smouldering wreckage of this present administration (such as it is) would be even worse!
I'm going to dig a big bunker and start stockpiling spam and hend grenades
but if the last ten years history has taught us anything, its that in times of crisis people are looking to the right, not the left for answers.
Yeah, how is that austerity stuff going...
And then what?
Not much really. Things carry on, people go to work, kids go to school, we drink booze at the weekend. There are many instances in other countries where there has been no functioning government and the world didn't fall in. Belgium went 589 days without a government. Northern Ireland has gone longer. Seems to me politics in this country, at least on the tory side, has become a proxy for upper class men to exercise their public school feuds. We can probably do without it.
Also if we had no government then brexit would almost certainly have to be delayed or suspended. Even if a new govt was to be elected, assuming it was different to the current one, they would want time to review and restructure everything. For instance if labour came in, they'd probably want another year at least to negotiate on their terms.
Yeah, how is that austerity stuff going…
Nobody said the right solves the issues, just that is who people perceive as being able to make tough calls on things like the economy.
See also the belief that one side spends more than the other etc. it's not rational.
Doesn't make it less true Kerley, look at America, the Philippines, Brazil etc - then look at history - Zog, Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Heydar Aliyev, Ilham Aliyev, Aleksandar Tsankov ,Kimon Georgiev, Boris III, Kiril, Ante Pavelić, Nikos Sampson, Konstantin Päts, Philippe Pétain, Theodoros Pangalos, Ioannis Metaxas, Georgios Tsolakoglou, Konstantinos Logothetopoulos, Ioannis Rallis, Georgios Papadopoulos, Miklós Horthy, Ferenc Szálasi, Benito Mussolini, Joaquim Pimenta de Castro, Sidónio Pais, Óscar Carmona, António de Oliveira, Salazar, Marcelo Caetano, Francisco Franco and the one and only - biggest **** of all time, not to be bettered - Adolf Hitler.
Yeah, how is that austerity stuff going…
Its been the disaster that those of us with anything between their ears always knew it would be.
But we all knew Brexit would be a disaster too. And yet people still voted for it. And would probably do so again.
What makes you think that all of a sudden, common sense would prevail this time around? I have zero confidence in that happening. They'll probably elect Rees Mogg as PM. The ****ing morons!
On Radio 4 at the moment they're interviewing Euro MP's about Brexit. Evan Davies asked the following question
"Theres a perception that Brussells is punishing the UK for voting Brexit?"
The answer from a Dutch MP:
"Why would we bother to do that? The UK is making a good enough job of punishing itself"
They're obviously surveying whats happening here with total incredulity. And who can blame them. But there has been a possitive for the EU. All those fringe parties in Europe who were also on about leaving the EU have had to STFU in the wake of this shambles. Theres nobody going to vote for that any more.
The damage you’ve done to this country should rest squarely on your shoulders
Actually not sure this is true. After the vote, we could have had years of public debate, investigation, planning and theorising. We all could have learned a lot more about the EU and what we want from it Vs what we get. We could have then put forward several proposals and had an informed vote.
Instead, the idiots in power pulled us all off a cliff with no idea what was at the bottom. But the key thing is they are government, they should be the ones who know how to run a country.
Yeah, how is that austerity stuff going…
Very nicely for those ideological types who are dreaming of a hamstrung state which wont get in their way.
Doesn’t make it less true Kerley, look at America, the Philippines, Brazil etc – then look at history – Zog, Engelbert Dollfuss, Kurt Schuschnigg, Heydar Aliyev, Ilham Aliyev, Aleksandar Tsankov ,Kimon Georgiev, Boris III, Kiril, Ante Pavelić, Nikos Sampson, Konstantin Päts, Philippe Pétain, Theodoros Pangalos, Ioannis Metaxas, Georgios Tsolakoglou, Konstantinos Logothetopoulos, Ioannis Rallis, Georgios Papadopoulos, Miklós Horthy, Ferenc Szálasi, Benito Mussolini, Joaquim Pimenta de Castro, Sidónio Pais, Óscar Carmona, António de Oliveira, Salazar, Marcelo Caetano, Francisco Franco and the one and only – biggest **** of all time, not to be bettered – Adolf Hitler.
Petain was a stooge following a fascist invasion not the choice of the people, I'm not sure you can argue that Franco was the choice of the people in times of strife being the leader of a military coup. I'm going to take a gues that plenty more of th jams you've quoted aren't the choice of the people looking for hope but dictators and stooges
Even if a new govt was to be elected, assuming it was different to the current one, they would want time to review and restructure everything. For instance if labour came in, they’d probably want another year at least to negotiate on their terms.
Its not the EUs fault that Parliament decided to allow one small group to be in charge of the negotiations. The fact Labour have not insisted they should be on the team does not mean they get a reset...
We are not only doing a f stupid thing but we are doing it in a f stupid manner
Petain was a stooge following a fascist invasion not the choice of the people, I’m not sure you can argue that Franco was the choice of the people in times of strife being the leader of a military coup. I’m going to take a gues that plenty more of th jams you’ve quoted aren’t the choice of the people looking for hope but dictators and stooges
True....
They usually have some kind of popular legitimacy though, even those who are the best at being dictatory don't last long once they lose popular support or ruling class support.
Humans have a long history of wanting and being lead my strongmen, the periods in which which thoughtful men have led people are notably fewer.
There's a good thread on Petains support here https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=166477
Paxtion 'Vichy France' & Jackson 'The Dark Years' describe it as poplar as long as the interests of the individual matched the government policy. The middle & upper classes saw the chaos of the 1940 defeat as nearly the worst thing possible, with its contiuation as the worst thing. Both groups sought a return to prewar conditions & had zero supor for continuing the war in the summer of 1940. This was reflected in the Chamber of deputies where only about 80 members of over 500 actively supported Renauds effort to move the government to Algeria. In the summer & autum Petain & Laval set forth a policy of completely ending the war with Germany & negotiating a peace treaty before the end of 1941. That had popular support, amoung the leftist parties as well. Everyone wanted a end to the war & the Armistice/occupation.
As 1940 ran out the left wing parties, working classes, and academics found themselves at odds with Petains conservative views. The suppresion of the left wing political parties, end of representative government, and inclusion of extreme rightwing & Facist leaders disturbed a large portion of the population. From 22 June the left lost all support for the Vichy government & German policies.
The middle classes & businessmen took longer. The retention of French PoW in German work camps made amny poeople unhappy. As long as the PoW was a 'Socialist' or maybe a Jew that was fine, but the conservatives found it was difficult to get their friends out of Germany as well. The German demands for French skilled laborers to work in Germany, the continued looting of French industry, and the bad German fnancial policy towards the ccupied nation had made in difficut for the average French businessman to do anything. This was aggravated by a few favored French profiting immensely from working with the Germans. Over 1941-42 mainly the threat of war & social disorder returning to France kept the middle class in support of the Government.
The aftermath of the Allied Torch operation showed the French middle class clearly the failure of the Vichy governments policies. The failure to get a peace treaty from Germany after two years, loss of the remaining French army without a noticeable fight, the occupation of all France, economic collapse, put the middle & upper classes in a worse position than before. It was also clear from very early in 1943 the Allies had the upper hand & might actually win. As 1943 progressed only the most conservative Frenchmen remained interested in the Vichy government, The mass of the politically active searched for alternatives. By the end of 1943 the remaining supporters of Petain & Laval were affiliated with the far right wing organizations. Even the police were more supportive of the Resistance than of the government, still drawing pay they increasingly aided the Resistance & interfered with German activity.
The same kind of people who ask this question are the ones who say they love France but not the French.
So France is not just 60 million people but cities, universities, gardens, culture, museums, castles,language, music, a way of doing things.
Almost all the physical damage done to France in WWll was by British and American bombers and by British and Communist led sabotage.
The more I read about life in Paris during the occupation the better it sounds.
It was clear that Churchill was prepared for the physical destruction of France and Italy if it furthered the Empire.
It was Churchill who had the French Navy attacked and sunk.
The French upper class' attitude toward Hitler was the same as the Chilean upper class' attitude toward PInochet: if we make a deal with this thug we will preserve our property and get democracy back later, if we let the communists take over we will loose our property and democracy and never get them back.
If you talked to some French aristocrat who votes for the Front National, he would probably say that the German occupation of Paris did less damage than American fast food and American tourists.
I found the above quote rather enlightening.
You think corbyn, with his lifelong Euroscrptic views would be much better than the present shower?
It’d just be role reversal. A fiercely pro-EU membership and MPs against a leader, and close cabal., who want the opposite
Party unity would be in the same place as the Tories
we’re truly ****ed
Actually not sure this is true.
We're ultimately all to blame. We've voted these hopeless ****s into power.
Hopefully in future people will pay more attention to who they are voting for, and not boil it down to 'I must vote Conservative/Labour'. Problem is it's possibly too late - once this power grab is over chances are we will be able to vote for anyone we like as long as it's the 'Glorious Empire' party.
DUP will collapse the government.
So I'm hearing rumours that Raab's meeting with Barnier collapsed. Announcement allegedly coming tomorrow that we're leaving with no deal
It’d just be role reversal. A fiercely pro-EU membership and MPs against a leader, and close cabal., who want the opposite
Except that, as the party members have a democratic say, surely the leader has to do what they want anyway?
So I’m hearing rumours that Raab’s meeting with Barnier collapsed. Announcement allegedly coming tomorrow that we’re leaving with no deal
Well in that case all bets are off.
Announcing no deal would be a bit of a bombshell wouldn't it? What would the response be?
What would the response be?
Would the last one to leave please turn the lights off?
Also I imagine given the level of competence so far something like this
Good rundown of what went on today.
An absolute Omnishambles. They’re talking about Davis replacing May FFS!!!!
They’re talking about Davis replacing May FFS!!!!
Davis, as apt as the vid above is.... Davis is the Arnold Rimmer of the Tories
DUP will collapse the government.
And thus themselves?
Not so sure.
it all sounds very desperate on the UK side . surely a no deal tomorrow would collapse the £ and the economy !
DUP will collapse the government.
The EU negotiators are possibly smart enough to hold off on announcements until after the magic budget is passed to prevent anyone having an excuse to vote it down and precipitate a GE
Johnson is now bemoaning the fact we'll no longer have any say in the EU after march.....
https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1051579932323794944
So… May successfully gets a big concession from the EU ( namely that the Irish backstop can involve all of the UK being within the Custom Union 'till replacement deals are in place, rather than just NI ) only to then get her win torpedoed by Brexitiers in her own party.
I fully expect to read tomorrow how this is the fault of Remainers, or the EU, or the French, or civil servants… but not those Tory Brexitiers, obviously.
what a mess
Well it's certainly a good job the Royal couple of been getting it on, timed for a perfect royal baby distraction in the spring!!
The leader of our democratically elected government is fulfilling the wishes of the people. A handful of tory gammons don't like it so are going to vote it down.
Surely that's as undemocratic as me wanting a second referendum?
Seeing as the government seem to be refusing to do so, has anyone else made any practical plans for when we crash out on March 29th next year?
Myself and Mrs Binners we’re discussing it yesterday and we’ve decided we’re going to go away for the week. We’re thinking Scottish Highlands, and a news blackout? Let this shambles play out without us. I’m going to book it this week.
Anyone else?