[Closed] Emma Thompson: Stuck up cah or what?

Thought you'd gone [s]to crack one off whilst fantasising about middle class women[/s] on a date?

I'm just going to log on Amazon to buy that book: "Rants, Shouts and Leaves" by Padded Fred.

Where's Mark_Datz when there's a real need for a comprehensive, beautifully articulated thread closer that renders us all open mouthed and awestruck?

Ms Thompson suggests that the use of slang is a signifier of low intelligence. Which it isn't.

Emma: "Just don't do it. Because it makes you [u]sound stupid[/u] and you're not stupid."

Elfred: "some scrote mumbling some inane 'gangsta' toss they've learned off their (c)Rap albums just [u]sounds daft[/u]"

What is the linguistic difference between "low intelligence", "daft" and "stupid"?

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Oops, looks like Graham's lost too! 🙂

no you were not you were saying he was thick, that he could not form coherent arguments , keep tense or use it's and its correctly.

And your point is?

Junkyard, I've never claimed to be a particularly nice man. 😉

What is a 'cah' anyway?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cah

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What is a 'cah' anyway?

first you have to decide if you're going to use language as a tool for communication or status. Then the answer becomes clear.

What if, as in Elfs case, status is one of the subtexts that you wish to communicate?

What if, as in Elfs case, status is one of the subtexts that you wish to communicate?

I don't think that [b]is[/b] the case 🙂

I'm sure, despite his reportedly fragile grasp of peristeronic English, that he actually knows how to spell [i]"cow"[/i]. 😀

So presumably he choose to say [i]"cah"[/i] to convey (or at least imply) his status as a good, honest, mockney working class type?

(Whereas I wish to convey my middle-class intellectual elitism, hence my casual use of the word "peristeronic")

So presumably he choose to say "cah" to convey (or at least imply) his status as a good, honest, mockney working class type?

is that the only possible reason for affecting a different accent ?

is that the only possible reason for affecting a different accent?

No, but as we were discussing, the listener/reader makes judgements based on the words/slang used. I see the spelling "cah", put that with my knowledge of Elfred's location, and I [i]hear[/i] it in a nice Ray Winston style accent.

If that was his intent, then he [i]was[/i] looking to convey status.
If that was not his intent then it is a nice demonstration of failing to communicate correctly when using slang.

If that was his intent, then he was looking to convey status.

I don't associate Cockerney with any particular status...

If that was not his intent then it is a nice demonstration of failing to communicate correctly when using slang.

or contrariwise with your comprehension ?

I don't associate Cockerney with any particular status...

How very PC of you. I wonder if Elf would agree?
Wikipedia certainly says "[Cockney] refers to working class Londoners, particularly those in the East End."

However I was using "status" in the more general definition: i.e. "information about a current situation", rather than just social standing. So by affecting an accent I am saying that he is providing additional subtext to his statement.

I'm sorry, I don't speak unemployed.

So by affecting an accent I am saying that he is providing additional subtext to his statement.

I wonder what that means ?

I'm sorry, I don't speak unemployed.

wonderful. Given the current situation that's a large chunk of the population beyond the pale 🙁 I think it's saddening that people should be so defined by something many hate!

I wonder what that means ?

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Not sure which bit is hard: by choosing to affect a particular accent, Elf is (in my opinion) communicating additional information that is not discernible from the meaning of his words alone.

Hence, why in considering your statement..

first you have to decide if you're going to use language as a tool for communication or status. Then the answer becomes clear.

..I concluded that Elf intended communication of meaning and status.

Clear?

Now perhaps you could expand on how his choice of vernacular influenced your own understanding?

Now perhaps you could expand on how his choice of vernacular influenced your own understanding?

I assigned no particular significance to it, other than humour

Do any of you actually read what you write before you click "send post"???

I assigned no particular significance to it, other than humour

So it communicated nothing, but somehow made it funny? Interesting. 🙄

Do any of you actually read what you write before you click "send post"???

I don't even read what I write when I'm writing it. I just open my brain and let the words fall out.

Is it too late to ask for a threesome with the delightful Miss Thompson and the fragrant Eddi Reader?

(Whereas I wish to convey my middle-class intellectual elitism, hence my casual use of the word "peristeronic")

Does your elite intellect know the differenece between 'pidgin' and a 'pigeon'? 🙄

Does your elite intellect know the differenece between 'pidgin' and a 'pigeon'?

that's a good one 🙂

Does your elite intellect know the differenece between 'pidgin' and a 'pigeon'?

Yes thanks, well enough to make a pun.

yes it is but he had to google and it took a while to reply. I like the original line , very funny. I suspect Graham was mocking us even further with his amusing misuse that went way over the heads of the illiterate plebs
EDIT: Damn I look silly now thanks to writing whilst you posted 😳

Quite right Junkyard.

Though, truth be told, it was actually a word that I only learned yesterday from this comic:

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So really it was ****ing peristeronic as shit

Yes thanks, well enough to make a pun.

Hmm... Convoluted puns. Whatever next. 🙂

Anyway, where is the cockney troll? Feeding the peristeronic park life?

Take your sesquipedalophobia elsewhere Shibboleth. 😀

(the irony of someone with your name complaining about obscure words is not lost on me)

I love nothing more than an obsure word Graham. But surely "sesquipedalophobia" is the verbal equivalent of pulling the legs of flies. A bit like making [s]dislexic[/s] [s]dyslactic[/s] [s]dilspleptic[/s] dyslexic so difficult to spell.

Here I am! 🙂

Are you all having fun?

Excellent!

Right. I'll reiterate my original point, which seems to have been somewhat lost amongst all the bickering and silliness...

Behind a fairly valid point about the erosion of certain aspects of our language, is a sneering resentment towards others. Narrow-minded insular cah.

Note that I acknowledged the 'fairly valid point'. See that bit? That's important that is.

Then, notice the 'sneering resentment towards others' bit.

That's the bit I'm getting at. And at this stage, I really must thank AdamShibboleth, TooTall, Cap'n Flash and others, for actually demonstrating my point in a far better manner than I could have managed myself, what wiv my por edukashun an evryfink.Thank you gentlemen for proving me right, that there is a fascism of language and culture that exists in our country, where certain groups assume themselves to be the principle social actors, and that everything else is merely secondary annoyance.

Of course, we find things that fall outside of our own individual cultural experience strange, and sometimes amusing. Some of the things teenagers do to look 'cool' make me laugh, they look 'daft'. Like that wearing your trousers round yer knees nonsense; I am aware of the origins of the 'style', and can see how portraying a 'tough' image is somewhat important to teenage lads, but it is, to me and possibly others, a bit silly. I find the desperate attempts of insecure young men to look big and tough pretty funny, as it reminds me of my own ****less youth. Same as sticking a safety pin trough yer nose to prove that you're anti-establishment; just a bit daft. Who on here, that might have been punks when they were kids, goes about like that now? We grow up, and slowly conform to the norm.

Because we need jobs. We need to be respected as adults in an adult world. We quickly leave our teenage foibles behind and move on.

I see the spelling "cah", put that with my knowledge of Elfred's location, and I hear it in a nice Ray Winston style accent.

If that was his intent, then he was looking to convey status.

See, it's this thing of 'status' that I don't get. Yes, I'll use the vernacular which I am used to, for effect. It's just a joke. Maybe some just find it 'daft'. Whatever. But as for 'status'; I don't see myself as being any higher or lower than others. A person should be defined by their individuality, not their bank balance or what school they went to or whatever. I must say I do find the attempts by TooTall and AdamShib to demean me, to reduce me to some sort of lower status being, very amusing. I think that says more about their particular insecurities and failings than it does about mine. Just exposes them as judgemental snobs. Making assumptions about my character based on very little information, and no knowledge of who I really am. 🙂

Well there you go.

Play nice now...

Isn't 'daft' another word for thick or foolish?

No. It's not. Deffo not thick where I come from, at any rate.

You can easily be intelligent and daft at the same time, in fact one usually follows the other IME. I knew a bloke that had a Masters in Biochemistry that couldn't change his wiper blades on the car, and threw the new ones in the bin.
Which was clearly a daft thing to do.
He was clever, but not wise, in that instance, if you catch my drift

A mate's mum was a teacher. When she got her first microwave, the first time she tried to use it, she wondered why it wouldn't just warm the plates for Sunday dinner. Daft woman!

Making sense yet?

(As an aside, my grandmother's maiden name was 'Daft'. Hilda Daft in fact. Seriously)

my grandmother's maiden name was 'Daft'. Hilda Daft in fact.

😆

(Runs off to change name by Deed Poll)

Who one here, that might have been punks when they were kids, goes about like that now?

**COUGH!**

A typical Fred filibuster. You must have been up all night.

I think that chip on your shoulder is causing you to list slightly. I can think of no other explanation for your cockeyed interpretation of her comments.

Sneering resentment? The only sneering resentment I can see seems to be emanating from yourself!

Oh yeah.

APART from PeterPoddy, who on here....

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I think that chip on your shoulder is causing you to list slightly. I can think of no other explanation for your cockeyed interpretation of her comments

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Pot calling Kettle! Pot calling Kettle! Come in Kettle, this is Pot and you're looking rather black!"

HaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

BUSTED!!!!

Oh, that's made my day has that.

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WooooHooooo! He's shut up at last!

There's no point in arguing with an idiot Peter, you'll only drag me down to your level and beat me with your vast experience. 🙄

Sneering resentment? The only sneering resentment I can see seems to be emanating from yourself!

From a a man who comes up with such delightful ejaculations as this:

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I would certainly never employ anyone with visible tattoos. It's a judgement issue - if they're stupid enough to deface themselves, they're not sensible enough to work for me.

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FoxyChick/Angela = The kind of woman who carries a rape alarm purely to boost her own ego.

Those in glass houses....