[Closed] Emma Thompson: Stuck up cah or what?

Is this one of those threads where Fred bleats on, most folk disagree, but Fred wins by attrition?

[b]You can stand on the beach and try to command the waves like Canute[/b]

Knut didn't try to stop the tide - he was demonstrating that he couldn't. But never mind, the myth is always more important than the fact (that's not me being arsey, BTW, that's what I think).

but that's the point, he did, to demonstrate that it made no difference 🙂 It wouldn't have been a demonstration else!

Thing about teenagers, is that one day they will be adults. And they will have to moderate their language accordingly. The vast majority have no problem with this.

Again, I'm not convinced. From my first post, why do so many graduates, I'd say by far a majority, have huge problems with written English? Enthusiastic new grads join us thinking that the world is their oyster and then get thouroughly demoralised when they realise it will; take them 5-10 years before they are trusted to write a client report...

So, once again, what is my 'type'?

I'm sure such an erudite and educated man as yourself can elucidate what exactly this means. 😉

Is this one of those threads where Fred bleats on, most folk disagree, but Fred wins by attrition?

Well I know I'm right anyway, but consensus doesn't necessarily denote correctness.

, once again, what is my 'type'?

but consensus doesn't necessarily denote correctness.

rarely a truer word spoken. Sense isn't common.

Elfs just bitter than Emma hasn't invited him along to Ton's love in.

When I studied in the US for my post grad one of the English faculty told me that a language changest fastest in the place that it originated. Strangely most of the Americanisms that you all hate are old English - such as like, off of...

Strangely most of the Americanisms that you all hate are old English - such as like, off of...

exactly, a lot of current American usage is actually time-frozen Elizabethan 🙂

The english language needs to be saved and maintained, its just about the only sustainable export we have now.

Slang should have died out with the lower classes, although coloquialisms can be used with peers.

"No it's a moan about snobbishness and prejudice"

There's plenty of reverse snobbishness going on to balance it out.

what is my "type" ?

c'mon Elf you can't hide behind that one, whilst having a go at Ms Thompson, and her ilk.
Assuming of course that you've met the stuck up cah ?

Nothing bleats more than a cockney sparrow who thinks he's risen above his peers and is now owed a favour by the World.

touch paper lit... runs away

ra ra ra were going to smash the oiks

either way as a teenager an emma thompson amada donohoe 3some was well at the top of my **** bank account

😯 😆

although coloquialisms can be used with queers.

tut tut 🙁

FYI IMO it's co[b]ll[/b]oquialism

Kimbers - Good call

Anyway she would not be talking at all if ton and Joolsberger were doing the business 😯 😆

Elfinsafety - Member

Growing up in the East End, [u]I've found[/u] slang fascinating, in [u]it's[/u] origins and meanings. [b]I use a plethora of slang terms in my daily language, regardless of who I speak to. It's what I've grown up with. I'm a product of my environment.[/b]

[b]Granted, some scrote mumbling some inane 'gangsta' toss they've learned off their (c)Rap albums just sounds daft,[/b] but Ms Thompson fundamentally misses the point that a language evolves with and is shaped by the people that use it.

So you're allowed to judge which elements of your 'environment' should or shouldn't influence the way in which you speak, yet she isn't? On a fundamental level, you have no more right than her to say what you think is acceptable and what isn't, yet you somehow feel compelled to do so.

In reality, I'd take far more notice of the opinion of a highly accomplished woman who read English Language at Cambridge than that of an underachieving internet no-mark.

I've long suspected that your lack of formal education has left you with a huge chip on your shoulder, and that you cultivate your silly slang speak in a bid to divert attention from your own linguistic shortfalls.

Speaking the way you do doesn't make you look like an intellectual who embraces the fluidity of the English language, it just makes you look foolish.

I had a look to see what Emma Thompson was starring in next (actors never do these sorts of things in a vacuum, so to speak) and it turns out it's My Fair Lady, where henry Higgins (v clever;) makes E Doolittle speak "proper"

the main thrust of the play is of course that Henry is a complete Snob...

In reality, I'd take far more notice of the opinion of a highly accomplished woman who read English Language at Cambridge than that of an underachieving internet no-mark

except that [b]elf[/b] is in fact quoting the observations of distinguished linguists who actually study the constant development of language 🙂

So you're allowed to judge which elements of your 'environment' should influence the way in which you speak, yet she isn't?

Where did I say that?

I've long suspected that your [b]lack of formal education[/b] has left you with a huge chip on your shoulder, and that you cultivate your silly slang speak in a bid to divert attention from your own linguistic shortfalls.

Ha ha! Somebody have a word with this joker, eh? 😆

Speaking the way you do doesn't make you look like an intellectual who embraces the fluidity of the English language, it just makes you look foolish.

I make no claims to be an 'intellectual'.

I accept 'foolish' though. Why, only the other day my own mother called me a fool! 😀

Right, now that I've stirred up Little England sufficiently, I shall find another playground*.

Toodle pip!

*Although a serious and intelligent discussion about language/culture would be interesting.

fred..........epic fail.

😆

ton........epic fool

🙂

Although a serious and intelligent discussion about language/culture would be interesting.

like fat chance innit bro ?

barnes.........epic tool

😆

Barnes has indeed got an epic tool.

He uses it for his bottomography on his legendary tours of the Lakes and that. 🙂

Toodle pip!

So predictable. AKA "CBA answering your points, I'll say I'm leaving so it looks like I've won."

See you in a few posts...

Although a serious and intelligent discussion about language/culture would be interesting.

Well then next time someone tries to start one, don't just call her a "stuck up cah".

innit?

😆

Ah

The 'other' tactic. Run away with the ball claiming you won anyway. Just as valid as the other tactic of 'last man standing' eh Fred?

Barnes has indeed got an epic tool.

I wish to contradickt this slander. My tool is entirely unremarkable, however it seems to do the job quite adequately :o)

Tootall - wanna kick 'im while I hold 'im dahn?

Elfinsafety - Member
Where did I say that?

On one hand you claim to be proud of how your environment has influenced your language, and are - for some strange reason - proud of the result, yet you scoff at people whose environment has led them to speak in the style of the musicians they listen to!

The reason nobody takes your opinions seriously is that you don't have the intelligence to form water-tight opinions based on the big picture. You simply react to details, going off half-cocked with a limited understanding of the subject and as a result, your views are riddled with inconsistencies.

And yes, I'm quite sure you lack any formal education in English language further than GCSE level. Your inability to use "its", "it's", or to maintain a single tense for the duration of a whole sentence are dead give-aways.
[edit] Reading Eats Shoots and Leaves or Lost for Words doesn't amount to further education

Heh!

Rather than actually engage in intelligent discussion, some of you are wound up to the point of launching ad hominem attacks on me. All sadly very predictable.

Which is why, in the abscess of anything more constructive, I shall take my leave of you for now.

Besides I've got to take me flippin' busted bike to the shop for scrutiny.

yet you scoff at people whose environment has led them to speak in the style of the musicians they listen to!

I find it a bit pathetic that some choose merely to mimic others without adding anything themselves; to passively absorb cultural products without considering their own identity also. Hey ho, their choice I suppose. Yet there are many other aspects of youth culture which are very interesting. However, I'm not so blinkered to think that everything I did as a teenager was 'cool'; a lot of it was bloody silly really. I suspect that most of today's yute dem will come to realise this for themselves, in the fullness of time.

And yes, I'm quite sure you lack any formal education in English language further than GCSE level.

You'd be right there. It's a wonder I can reed and rite at al. 🙄

I'll alert the media.

Fred, you asked me a question in your last post. As you can see, I've answered it in detail.

I'd be interested to hear your comments... 🙄

And yes, I'm quite sure you lack any formal education in English language further than GCSE level. Your inability to use "its", "it's", or to maintain a single tense for the duration of a whole sentence are dead give-aways.

That seems a bit harsh and up yourself or is that up ones self? - I could never get to grips with grammar.

Your inability to use "its", "it's"

I think this distinction is fatuous snobbery 🙁 Say it out loud - any difference ? Spoken language is the definitive form, written a flawed approximation.

That seems a bit harsh and up yourself or is that up ones self? - I could never get to grips with grammar.

Merely pointing out how a slip in standards can make written English ambiguous or difficult to understand.

al - I'm not touching him. He appears to be some sort of common guttersnipe and beneath us both. Perhaps we could pay another manual labourer to rough him up a little?

someone call for me....... 8)

no you were not you were saying he was thick, that he could not form coherent arguments , keep tense or use it's and its correctly.

Fred, you asked me a question in your last post. As you can see, I've answered it in detail.

I'd be interested to hear your comments...

Quite frankly Adam, you're more interested in trying to make yourself look clever, butI'll grant you a response. Because I'm nice like that, you see? 🙂

My initial point, which seems to have eluded several folk on here, was that Ms Thompson suggests that the use of slang is a signifier of low intelligence. Which it isn't. That's the snobbishness and narrow-mindedness I was attacking. At no point did I attack her class or background. My comments have been misinterpreted by those wishing to seek argument with me, rather than actually having a think about what I writed. As per bloody usual on here.

Right, I really must love you and leave you all; I have a dinner date with a lovely young middle class lady.

X

no you were not you were saying he was thick, that he could not form coherent arguments , keep tense or use it's and its correctly.

And your point is? 🙄

Fred, I think someone must have hacked your account, because I could have sworn I just copied this off your original post:

[b]Granted, some scrote mumbling some inane 'gangsta' toss they've learned off their (c)Rap albums just sounds daft, [/b]

Isn't 'daft' another word for thick or foolish? So, to spell this out to you, on one hand you think people sound thick (daft) if their speach and language has been shaped by listening to urban music, yet you think Miss Thompson is a 'stuck up cah', 'snobbish' and 'narrow minded' for asserting pretty much the same opinion.

I'm lost.

I'm lost.

Yes, you are.

Bless.