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Nothing to do with medicine or the dedication of the doctors and nurses who treated him apparently.
“Today is a miraculous day. I am thrilled to be alive, to be well, and to be reunited with my family,” he said. “[In Liberia] I prayed that in my life or in my death, that [God] would be glorified. I did not know then, but have learned since that there were thousands, maybe millions of people around the world praying for me that week . . . I cannot thank you enough for your prayers and your support . . . I serve a faithful God who answers prayers. God saved my life.”
[url= http://time.com/3153434/ebola-atlanta-americans-discharge/ ]http://time.com/3153434/ebola-atlanta-americans-discharge/[/url]
I have a touch of Ebola but cheap whisky and stones ginger wine will see me right!!
And it's the stupidity and ignorance like this that'll help to spread the disease like wildfire as some people will actually believe that praying to their imaginary friend upstairs will cute them so they'll be less careful about becoming infected.
It is funny how they always give god *and* the proper science-y medicine a go together isn't it, rather than just saying "Don't bother with the meds, Little Baby Jesus is on my side".
Of course, it could be that those who only pray and do the jesus don't stay round long enough to thank him.
[i] I serve a faithful God who answers prayers. God saved my life [/i]
But he's a doctor?, with genuine verifiable intelligence?…… my feeble brain cannot compute with the two extremes………..the only way to be sure it was divine intervention by God is to dump him back in the middle of the outbreak zone and tell him that God will save him, not interventionist medical drugs.
And as for [i]Samaritans Purse[/i]?, might as well call it [i]God-Fearing baw-bags r us[/i] 🙄
not fussed if anyone is upset, get over it ya religious nut jobs.
Funny how he is never blamed for making people ill...only praised if he makes them better. I think it must be because he moves in mysterious ways or something??
I think it must be because he moves in mysterious ways or something??
I think it's that lady in the U2 song that 'moves' in mysterious ways. God apparently 'works' in mysterious ways so we're told.
Just saying... 😉
He must have thanked the doctors at some stage during the press conference. I pray to god he did. Media spun crap.
I think it's that lady in the U2 song that 'moves' in mysterious ways.
well God is the only hope for any African that has Ebola
[url] http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Liberian-doctors-to-get-US-experimental-Ebola-drug-20140812 [/url]
no profit drivers for the pharma industry
If you're a godist and that way inclined, it's quite easy to square the circle. God sent and trained the doctors.
no profit drivers for the pharma industry
Plenty of ebola treatments are being developed by pharma companies, if charities then want to buy those drugs and donate them to Africa then they can. If they aren't willing to do that or can't because of cost and you don't personally donate a **** tonne of money to MSF, can I ask you to shut up? Not to mention that Mapp Biopharmaceutical is a relatively small recently founded company, doing more good than you ever will.
Tom_W1987 - Member.... can I ask you to shut up?
as you pointed out the economics of the situation ....yes, but next time say please
Sorry, I had a sense of humor breakdown antigee. I get tired of the same old fashionable arguments being bandied around. MappBio are not part of big bad pharma, the small biotechs trying to produce low cost treatments to relatively rare diseases are the good guys. They are your steel frame builders/BTR's of the biology world, often run by people who have a genuine passion for the cause that their research and products relate to.
Yup, and they're staking their entire subsistence on getting it right. One bad result in a pre-clinical trial can be millions and millions down the pan. Thank God (irony) for the little guys.
Source: used to be toxicological support for pre-clinical trials.
I think that far from having a go at these "religious nut jobs" we should be grateful they they have got the "baws" to go into these desperately poor countries with scant resources and are trying to provide much needed care for the sick and the dying, putting their own lives at risk in the process.My understanding is that, what is considered relatively standard medical support routinely available in the affluent west, offers the best hope of survival to Ebola sufferers at present.
Aye, because going into the middle of Ebola Central with only a misguided sense of religious duty is going to prevent the rapid spread of a frankly terrifying disease.
The most dangerous thing about this whole outbreak is the dismissal of science in favour of faith in a "god" that allowed such an awful disease to happen in the first place. We've seen the same with AIDS. Honestly, never has "survival of the fittest" been a more apt conjurance.
So how come God didn't bother saving the rest of the infected souls then? 🙁
I think that far from having a go at these "religious nut jobs" we should be grateful they they have got the "baws" to go into these desperately poor countries with scant resources and are trying to provide much needed care for the sick and the dying, putting their own lives at risk in the process
Anyone who does that is worthy of respect, however there are plenty of people who aren't "religious nut jobs" who do the same thing.
So how come God didn't bother saving the rest of the infected souls then?
Well I suppose the corollary of the initial claim is that they all deserved to die.
Is it just me that finds it a bit odd that the West has got a "experimental" ebola treatment on hand for its citizens or when it looks like it could spread.
Is it just me that finds it a bit odd that the West has got a "experimental" ebola treatment on hand for its citizens or when it looks like it could spread.
I don't think it's that odd, one lab was only part way through testing and the other had a stockpile from a shelved project.
Experimental, as used by the media, just means it hasn't been signed off by the FDA.
Seems to work too, on the westerners. Wonder who was testing it? Why shelve a project on something that works?
not so sure about that.seems to work too
Although we don't know who got exactly what, there's at least 1 Spaniard dead and I think another worker too. If they all received the same stuff then that's 50%, which is barely better than the "untreated" rate in this outbreak.
[url= http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1409817 ]This is a decent read[/url]
God cured me...nothing to do with medicine or the dedication of the doctors and nurses who treated him apparently.
There's no pleasing some people.
Seems to work too, on the westerners. Wonder who was testing it? Why shelve a project on something that works?
My best mate is a boffin in a lab in San Diego. He seems to spend more time trying to win/maintain/renew grant funding that he does experiments. He's had more than one grant pulled part way through development/testing. Presumably those providing the funding are looking to commercialise the drug, so if their view or priorities change they just dump it and move on to something else. Must be incredibly frustrating.
So how come God didn't bother saving the rest of the infected souls then?
They didn't pray hard enough. And, if you were going to be picky here.... a lot of them were the wrong colour, and didn't possess an American passport.
Fastest drug development program I've ever seen. Obviously God works through recombinant chimeric antibodies, but it is a great outcome. If only my drugs could be proved in N=2 trials!
And this drug really was experimental. I don't think it had an IND - which means no human trials have been authorized. Since it is an monoclonal antibody, the risks are lower than small molecules.
For such deadly infectious diseases, drugs are normally tested for safety in humans and efficacy in animal experiments I anthrax is a good example. So it really is unusual to go straight into a human with the infection of interest. Just wonder how they decided the dose (my day job)
You fail to understand how deeply christianity is embedded in the American psyche. I know a few Bible belt dwellers, and though they are really nice people they are religious to an extent you wouldn't believe possible, as well as having a uniquely americentric outlook.
Here is another Christian view on Ebola.
Nut jobs the lot of them.
A bit Naive not to accept Ebola has already long since been weaponised to serve their God. Hence there being an antidote quickly to hand...
Yes I watched the Outbreak movie as well. 😉
A bit Naive not to accept Ebola has already long since been weaponised to serve their God. Hence there being an antidote quickly to hand...
I'm a bit disappointed that jivehoneyjive's not managed to link ebola to Jimmy Savile yet.
[b]Important PSA[/b]
The power of prayer works best if the patient is in quarantine, as otherwise people nearby may inadvertently soak up some of the prayer to cure their own minor ailments, which might otherwise respond well to homeopathy.
Also, medical staff must be careful not to get any of their cynicism on the patient, as it interferes with the prayers. This is why they are all wearing those suits.
Please continue with your prayers at this time. And thank you.
My best mate is a boffin in a lab in San Diego. He seems to spend more time trying to win/maintain/renew grant funding that he does experiments. He's had more than one grant pulled part way through development/testing. Presumably those providing the funding are looking to commercialise the drug, so if their view or priorities change they just dump it and move on to something else. Must be incredibly frustrating.
And ebola being so infrequent and small scale would have 0 commercial interest. Would have to be gov funded research. I would imagine ebola is high on the list of potential terrorist threats.
God apparently 'works' in mysterious ways so we're told.
not anymore, thanks to chickenman, in my world (or today at least) bigG will move in mysterious ways.
Thanks ScaredyPants - that article is very good.
Is it just me that finds it a bit odd that the West has got a "experimental" ebola treatment on hand for its citizens or when it looks like it could spread
Youve not been watching Utopia, then?
I dont watch telly thats how they control you 😉
Some world class selective quoting and context dodging on this thread. Having heard the guy on R4 yesterday he was gushinh about the medical staff that treted him and the teams he was working with in Liberia, as a doctor, delivering medical assistance to people suffering from ebola.
I think his thank god bit was about of the people who get ebola x die and x live and after hydration and general nursing care there's a not a shitload medicine can currently do (new drugs excepted) to determine who dies and who doesn't. But still big slow hand clap to all you smirking sneering tossers. (Atheist before any asks.)
^^ +1
Aye, because going into the middle of Ebola Central with only a misguided sense of religious duty is going to prevent the rapid spread of a frankly terrifying disease.
They didn't, in fact they were doing the exact opposite! They were providing much needed medical support to Ebola patients in a country with limited resources and where sufferers are reluctant to enagage with the medical authorities and choose to remain in the community thus increasing the chance of the spread of the disease.
Athiest also.
...old saying. 'they all want to go to Heaven,but none of them want to die'....