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oldtennisshoes
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They ebb and flow a wee bit, but haven’t significally risen, and those that are in hospital are generally younger and have a better prognosis than the folk we had in hospital at the same stage of wave 2.I hope you’re right, but I’m not convinced. At least the numbers in ICU look pretty flat though.
Tbh as crass as this sounds. There's going to an acceptable level of hospitalisation.
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Overlay of hospitalisations v cases is looking pretty decent eh?
Let's hope it doesn't trigger changes up in level. Borders is showing cases on the rise schools are closing/isolating classes yet folk still breaking rule 1.
Party at weekend 4 +ve cases several lads not answering numbers their phones don't know in case it's t'n't as they're in London for the football.
Aye but the link seems to be broken and we're only at 50% vaccination, so it seems better to come mibbe.
Indeed.
Just disappointing that there is such a rise.
My bet for the coming two weeks - schools aren't going to mess around and risk isolation for the coming holidays. We're going to see whole yeargroups and schools just shut up shop, to ensure the staff get to thier much needed holiday healthy and not isolating. I also bet hundreds of parents withdraw kids for same reasoning.
Overlay of hospitalisations v cases is looking pretty decent eh?
That looks good 🤞
My bet for the coming two weeks – schools aren’t going to mess around and risk isolation for the coming holidays. We’re going to see whole yeargroups and schools just shut up shop, to ensure the staff get to thier much needed holiday healthy and not isolating. I also bet hundreds of parents withdraw kids for same reasoning.
I recon many people have given up on proper isolation anyway. We were fining people parking ticket values for gathering outside, but no sanctions against those with confirmed disease who didn’t stay at home. My guess is people will still go on holiday even if told to isolate but not actually sick.
The only problem with the divergence of cases and hospitalisation is if long covid gets the young, unvaccinated people but doesn’t put them in hospital...
I wonder how many new cases will arise from the thousands of fans travelling to Wemberrlee for the game today?
Aye, it'll be awrite, they're fine as they're not wearing Rangers tops, it's the good old jolly tartan army doncha know! 😂
Tossers.
Are there any numbers on long covid yet btw? Apart from folks on here, I don't know anyone who seems to have suffered from it.
In terms of schools, loads of schools round here have had full years isolating, daughter regularly has single figures in her class. We were told last Monday she was to isolate as she was a close contact. From the previous Thursday. Aye, brilliant.
Even a positive PCR test wouldn't allow allow her back to school. Utter nonsense.
Are there any numbers on long covid yet btw? Apart from folks on here, I don’t know anyone who seems to have suffered from it.
I know one personally - normally very fit and healthy 50 yr old, running 5/10K most weekends for years. 12 months unable to even walk 1K without stopping, and has only just made it back to walking about 3k on a typical day - still not running at all, some days so bad doesn't leave the house. One of our other company sites has someone who's been off since contracting covid in Jan, never hospitalised, starting to talk about phased return now, probably won't be back full time this year.
I don't think there's good data though as there's no easy diagnosis. Some data was saying not fully recovered after 5 weeks = long covid, but I think that's probably a bad definition as if 6/7 weeks you are full fighting form that's very different from 12 months not sure if you'll even get back to work.
Even a positive PCR test wouldn’t allow allow her back to school. Utter nonsense.
You'd hope not! I assume you meant a negative PCR test. Thing is she can be pcr neg mon and pcr pos by wed; and the test may be very reliable but the swab/sample is not so test to release is a dangerous strategy. There is a study going on to see if daily testing can be used to allow temporary release from quarantine but its an unknown.
Lol, head scrambled this morning, I meant negative! 😂
Cheers Poly.
Are there any numbers on long covid yet btw? Apart from folks on here, I don’t know anyone who seems to have suffered from it.
I have a friend with it and know of someone at work that got it bad.
In terms of schools, loads of schools round here have had full years isolating
The academy got a massive hit with end of term shenanigans that wiped out most of the P7 as well. Off now so we'll see what the numbers do.
Today has been spent with three teachers and met multiple other teachers and schools while out DofE'ing.
Transpires that Dunblane Primary and Nursery, and High School, and Football club, and.... All have CV19 cases, lots of isolation.
And lots of people saying (to paraphrase) "stuff it, I'm not losing my holiday, we're not going to school/nursery this week...".
And lots of people saying (to paraphrase) “stuff it, I’m not losing my holiday, we’re not going to school/nursery this week…”.
I have a list of names...it is not a short list.😀
Just heard a son of someone I work with has tested pcr positive.
Guess where he was Friday, traveling public transport and is apparently one of the lads not answering T'n'T calls late last week.
Knobby McKnobface.
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I think the king of the North is planning a war north of the wall due to the ice queen banning Mancunians from Scotland, bit rich given the overall infection rate in Scotland.
Well, it's happened.
The day before they break up and the teachers & educators head off for thier booked holidays, a child has tested positive and they all have to isolate for 10 days...in two settings.
Even better in one school the child's family had already been asked to isolate as older sibling had tested positive, but the family decided to continue to go to work and send younger children in....
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Doesn't matter how much you try you'll never escape stupid folk
As the examples of the muppets going to London "cos we are the tartan army." Shows; stupid and selfish remain strong in the gene pool.
A cluster of 13 (so far) up here from someone who's been sooth to the mainland has had one primary shut this last week before the holidays.
We're off down to see family in North Yorkshire the back end or next week, but have out lateral flow tests to take and will be self-isolating if they show positive. My wife and son have been taking them a couple of months now for school and work with all negatives, which is reassuring as we were worried about false positives.
We're now on holiday but I heard that one of the secondary schools had 196 kids and 16 staff isolating.
One of our support staff is spent first 10 days of holiday isolating which I suppose means that given the department she's in that's a few kids and staff too.
Of course if this is your first booked holiday in 18 months, and there won't be any movement on being able to postpone, I wonder how many are going regardless?
Watch for a spike in rural places over the next fortnight?
Absolutely, mind you Matt; we are near Braemar with Bronze/ Silvers next week and Knoydart the week after that so I am wondering if that makes us part of the problem as well.
Very true...
We’re now on holiday but I heard that one of the secondary schools had 196 kids and 16 staff isolating.
One of our support staff is spent first 10 days of holiday isolating which I suppose means that given the department she’s in that’s a few kids and staff too.
Local primary school 'McCrone' teacher tested positive a couple of weeks back, said teacher had worked in almost every class that week, as is the role, pretty much full school isolating.
tbh I wonder when we'll bin isolation, cause we're well on the way to exponential infections anyhow, again. It's crunch time really to see where hospitalisations/deaths go in the week or 3.
Some jump over in infections the last week.
Also seems that glasgow punters can look at edinburgh punters with disapproval for a change! 😆
I'm also wondering if we're almost at a peak due to the football and folk gathering to watch it? Next 3 weeks are going to be interesting.
Looks to me like Scottish infections are levelling out or even beginning to drop.
https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
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Yeah, it does that 🙏🏻
2nd vaccine today up at Castlemilk. Place was absolutely deserted. Zero queues and about 5 other folk in at the same time as me.
Lady who administered mine says hundreds of people every day aren't turning up for their scheduled appointment 🤦♂️
Lady who administered mine says hundreds of people every day aren’t turning up for their scheduled appointment
some of these will be appointment letters that have gone to the wrong place ie people have moved or people who have been jabbed from one system getting appointments from another
i have seen 4 appointment letters here for long gone tenants and I got offered a jab via the usual process when i had already had them via work.
Na, most of them will be tickets that think covid is over.
BoardinBob
Full Member
2nd vaccine today up at Castlemilk. Place was absolutely deserted. Zero queues and about 5 other folk in at the same time as me.Lady who administered mine says hundreds of people every day aren’t turning up for their scheduled appointment 🤦♂️
I was yesterday up in fernhill for my 2nd, had changed it online from last week, as I couldn't be bothered travelling to the arse end of EK again. But aye, place was deserted.
I do think it was always going to get a bit more difficult getting the younger age groups vaccinated, it's been sold as an old persons problem more than anything else. So many won't be in any great rush.
Reboot!
Great to see that Calmac are going to normal operating capacity as of monday, hopefully get some much needed cash into some of the communities that rely on tourism.
Screw that. Maybe the islanders will be able to go to work, on holiday, visit relatives etc.
Don't forget the hospital appointments as well, there should be no need to contact travel coordinators etc to make sure you can get on the ferry from next week onwards
Hasn't been an issue on my local ferries Gord, always kept back space for such instances, the lack of 2nd ferry has been the worst for them. As SR, on Arran tourism IS the work for the majority.
So, as long as you are doing one of the 3 D's in a nightclub (dancing, dining or drinking) then you don't have to wear a mask:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58114122
In that case would it be okay not to wear a mask in my local supermarket if I danced all th way around it whilst picking up my shopping?
No, that would be silly.
Swinney covered it perfectly yesterday, it's unreasonable to water a mask in those circumstances, in the supermarket, it isn't.
If you don't want to wear a mask, batter in, it really doesn't bothere to wear one.
I mean, you could try but people would probably think you're an eejit. It's also your choice whether you want to go to a club, I'd say I'll be waiting to see what happens but the truth is I'm a sad **** that won't be going out anyway regardless of covid.
Great to see that Calmac are going to normal operating capacity as of monday, hopefully get some much needed cash into some of the communities that rely on tourism.
Might make the 5 ferries this year after all! Can't be any worse than the 3 ferries 😢
Lol, aye, nightclubs way doon the list! What happened to you on the 3F?
If I get a T shirt printed with 'Double vaccinated, Tested and Available' would my chances improve in this club?
What happened to you on the 3F?
The head of Loch Striven. The climb out of there was brutal, wasn't prepared for it, was also a scorcher of a day which didn't help.
Cases appear to be on the rise again
Will need to see if the hospital admissions reflect it
https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
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Cases appear to be on the rise again
Weather related?
/Big Brother voice
Daaay 2 in the Scottish secondary school, and we have a covid case and letter home to parents....
/Big Brother voice
Middle_oab at work at CV19 testing station is (anecdotally) reporting a rise in customers for testing, slowly and steadily over last two sets of shifts.
So, an autumnal game of whack-a-mole ahead?
Inevitable rise given more mixing. Let’s hope the hospitals are ok.
Well I've just had a positive PCR test result this afternoon. I reckon I've picked it up from Bloodstock festival last week.
I thought I had the normal festival lurgy, runny nose, sore throat and a headache but did a lateral flow test anyway and it showed positive so PCR booked yesterday.
Just had a nice chat with a lassie from NHS Grampian test and trace.
Looking at Traveling Tabby's site it's definitely on the rise.
As per the expert on radio Scotia today (sorry, name escaped me), he's not even looking at cases now, hospital admissions, how long they're in for, and deaths.
Makes sense, it's hard not to pay attention to case numbers though!.
Yeah cases are definitely rising at a fair old rate but as long as hospital admissions stay low it shouldn't be a problem.
Fingers crossed anyway 🤞🏻
I know loads of folk who went to Bloodstock.
Many of them now have covid
Well, we live down near Bloodstock and are now in Edinburgh for the Fringe. Just spent an hour rammed into a pub basement for a stand up show, think you might be getting your revenge.....
Current hospital trends look ok but that'll be for folk that got I'll weeks back.
All schools back this week or next, plus a large return to the office (I know at least a few major Scottish employers have ordered a 100% return as of next week).
Not feeling hugely optimistic, feels like best case it's a winter from hell for the NHS, worst case is a new variant and square one. But everyone seems to be pretending it's 2019.
Nobeerinthefridge
Free Member
As per the expert on radio Scotia today (sorry, name escaped me), he’s not even looking at cases now, hospital admissions, how long they’re in for, and deaths.Makes sense, it’s hard not to pay attention to case numbers though!.
cases numbers will still have a relevance, it's just at the minute we don't know where the actual connection is until hospitalisations and deaths start rising. tbh, hopefully we never find out.
Three of my mates are positive, which tbh, is the first I've heard of in a while. But with things opened up, and schools back now. We'll probably see substantial risings.
2 double vacced up, and 1 single vacced, seem to be fine barring mild symptoms, but they are reasonably young, 1 late 20s, 2 late 30s.
More than likely, got it from the pub or fitba, or weans. probably the former 2, since schools are just back.
Schools going back has definiteluy had an affect on rising case numbers.
Friend/near neighbour works in a Primary school and she's just tested positive.
Our oldest had Covid 2 weeks back, thankfully we were on holiday so dodged that bullet.
Although it does seem only a matter of time before we catch it, which will most likely be passed to us by our youngest daughter who returned to secondary school on Tuesday.
aye cases are going to rocket soon I reckon, no doubt, but who knows what lies ahead in terms of restrictions, just hope we've broke the back of it, cause stuff another winter like last year.
Schools going back has definiteluy had an affect on rising case numbers
Generally takes a couple of weeks to start seeing effects of changes, vast majority of schools have only been back a few days.
cause stuff another winter like last year.
Too ****in right.
cases numbers will still have a relevance, it’s just at the minute we don’t know where the actual connection is until hospitalisations and deaths start rising. tbh, hopefully we never find out.
I'm in Israel at the moment and cases have been steadily rising for a few of weeks, and the daily new case rate is very, very close to what it was during the 1st and 2nd waves. A *very* rough estimation from the numbers is that deaths are ~25% of those recorded for the same case rate during earlier waves, so this is somewhat promising.
Interestingly it seems that the vaccine does absolutely nothing to prevent catching the virus. I know anecdote <> evidence but 4 out of 5 of our chemists have caught it, and 13 out of ~100 people in total, and only 1 or 2 of these were unvaccinated. Nobody seriously ill with it thankfully - I guess that's what the vaccine is good at - but enough to be taken away and put in a quarantine apartment for 10+ days.
More folk at school (and work?) means more Lateral Flow Testing and thence more OCR Testing. It could be that we're just seeing an increase in testing coming through and that the actual infection rate itsn't increasing.
OTOH I said a couple of weeks ago that relaxing restrictions just as the schools returned seemed brave/optimistic but also that maybe the Govt is simply reacting to the general publics weariness. So I'll repeat; short of a more deadly variant emerging, I think we're finding out now just how many deaths is "acceptable" from a social and economic viewpoint. I'll suggest that anything up to 25 per day will be dismissed as inevitable. 25-50 will be "concerning". Above that and public health measures will be reinforced. Of course, how the NHS copes is a further question.
Sadly I think you are right scotroutes.
It could be that we’re just seeing an increase in testing coming through and that the actual infection rate itsn’t increasing.
The ONS survey results are surely the best measure, although admittedly it lags behind a week or so. Latest update (w.e. 7th Aug) showed around 1 in 190 people in Scotland tested positive, a reduction from 1 in 120 the week before.
I've always been a bit puzzled why this data doesn't seem to be used more widely. A comparison against the 7 day 'normal' case rate would surely be quite revealing about the number of asymptomatic / unreported cases, but I don't think I've ever seen it used for that purpose ?
Is anyone heading back in to the office yet?
My company, to be fair to them, have been great up with it all up until now: working from from home as default, felt pretty safe any time I have had to come to the office etc
But they’re now bringing us all back in next week and I just can’t understand why. Even the Scottish government website suggests that while a gradual return to the office is fine, working from home should still be encouraged
I could understand them acting like this if we’d been wfh for only a couple weeks and we hadn’t yet settled in to it but we’ve managed just fine for 18 months now and case numbers have literally never been higher! What’s the point in rushing back in?
Not sure i want to stick my neck out and cause a fuss but if I had the choice I’d be going nowhere near the office right now
Ask to have a copy of the mitigation measures they have in place? distancing, masks, air movement ETC?
My company has also been very good. They have been saying that we're welcome to come back in to make the most of the facilities, but not to move back permanently. In fact, over the last week they've even toned this down quite significantly to try and help with the spread of cases
I'm back on the office, though with my job I'm out on site at times too. WFH wasn't working out with my circumstances so I requested to go back.
There are a few others back in our floor 2-3 days a week, but most ( was 32 staff) are still WFH and happy to stay there, which suits me as it makes it easier for me being back in.
I have windows open,mask on when moving about the building and obviously washing hands/sanitising etc. A guy goes around the building wiping down handles through the day too.
I far happier than at home being out the house and easier to do my work. As far as I'm concerned I'm at far greater risk going shopping at the super market.
@tjagain yeh they do have all of that kind of stuff in place. Again, up until now they've been brilliant clearly laying out that stuff and following all the rules. But an office holding almost 100 people, even if well ventilated and with a one way system, is still more risky than my desk in the spare room
That definitely seems the sensible approach @mashr , just can't understand their reasoning behind this
As far as I’m concerned I’m at far greater risk going shopping at the super market.
One of our managers said this as well which I can definitely understand and agree with. But I'm not in the habit of spending 40 hours a week in a supermarket so kinda a moot point...
We're all back, came a bit out the blue. It's better than I feared, feel like it's given me a bit of boost work wise and seem happier at home now that I'm not there all the time.
Overall mood seems to be negative about it, and I suspect long term almost everyone will want some degree of flexibility.
I think if you have a long commute or trying to juggle school / childcare dropoffs then w@h can be a huge benefit. or if you bought a dog in lockdown. Certainly some people are very unhappy.
Well no, but in my situation the most that have been in an office previously holding 32 staff is 4 of us, all spread out, all fully vaccinated and not people who are at festival, footy or out in pubs. I'm contracted to 37 hours, but I can usually guarantee a third of that I'll be out the office.
Guidance is still work from home if you can, but more are thinking of 2-3 days a week in the office and it seems there will be less push back from management for those who want it.
This all very different to being told you have to go back to the office, which is definitely not the way of thinking at my place.
It's up to me to make our office suitable for a return. Not easy and not something I'm exactly rushing into. Approx 80 desks, open plan. It's the IT aspects that are proving the biggest hurdle: pre-March 2020 we used Citrix on Win7 desktops but early in lockdown we moved onto 365, rendering the desktops utterly useless...
Mixed comments from staff I've spoken to. Some desperate to return, others desperate to stay hidden. Personally I'm happy enough WFH but realise some things it'd be easier being in the office for. Hopefully a mixed approach long-term going forward.
My team has got quite happy working from home now and want to carry on doing so, with the odd day in the office. So that's what we'll do. Looking more to reducing office space than putting people back in it. We'll meet up from time to time, but that's likely to be the long term solution.
Is anyone heading back in to the office yet?
Hybrid of home and office. It works well - we have 4 maximum in office for 11, windows open, masks in public (shared) corridors, lots of own mug/handwashing ect.
I have just been looking at my update of figures across UK, for work as we are in schools and early years.
Scotland is now showing an uptick this last week in serious (hospital and death) cases, a week or two behind the surge in infection rate. Still less than last winter and spring, but a real concern still.
saynotoslomo
Its a tricky one. If they have good mitigation measures in place ( and I don't mean stuff that is there to look good I mean proper measures) then its hard to argue going back into the office really is more dangerous. thats why I suggested actually looking at the mitigation in place and comparing it to the guidence
Is it possible for you to speak to HR / occupational health / your union first?
Its a tricky one. If they have good mitigation measures in place ( and I don’t mean stuff that is there to look good I mean proper measures) then its hard to argue going back into the office really is more dangerous. thats why I suggested actually looking at the mitigation in place and comparing it to the guidence
No doubt it's tricky. I'm still WFH with the odd very limited day in the office and i don't think we will be back FT anytime soon. I work in O&G industry and even with everyone tested pre-mob and proper mitigation measures in place, we are still seeing cases getting out there in numbers.
If you apply the same to an office which doesn't have pre-testing, i'd argue against going to an office unless necessary.
I sympathise with all the concerns above, but you should come into a school. If schools are "safe", everywhere else is too.
I predict some sort of lockdown announced for Wednesday. Tomorrows figures will be so bad in terms of infections and hospitalisations that there will be no choice. The fact that Nicola said "no circuit breaker" even gives strenght to it in my eyes....
I know so many people who have it/had it now its scary, all of them careful types who wont have been fast and lose (myself included)
Canny announce any form of serious lockdown without tory funding(which just isn't going to happen). Best you'll get is stern warnings and recommendations.
Plus I doubt it's warranted yet anyhow, we'll be running with it as is and any form of lockdown will only come from a public reaction, which will take some going I reckon, it'll take some going for public opinion to want to repeat last winter. Collective opinion is a big F that at the minute.
Fairly obvious the rise is mostly in the unvaccinated population largely too.
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So I'd expect the vaccine message to get pushed as the main theme.
I am hoping that this current rise falls away just as quickly. I have been kicking the arse out of the bikes this summer and travelling a fair bit to do so. Not ready to stop yet ,especially while the good weather lasts. PS That travelling has been with no overnight stays, no bevvy, and meals sitting outside cafes/pubs.