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I don't like that "when you guys elect Piers Morgan", Joey Belladonna gets uncannily accurate premonitions of the future, courtesy of the time chicken in his head.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 2:02 pm
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Yes you can cherry pick areas where we have bright right wingers - no one has claimed they dont exist- but the fact remains thicker folk are more likely to be right wing

half the population has less than average intelligence, do their votes count for less?

If the smart people are left wing, why can't they convince the thick people to vote for them?

the less well educated you are[ thick] the more likely you are to be right wing in general

as most teachers are in receipt of higher education and therefore "not thick" and also therefore "left wing", why do so many children fail in the education system and become "uneducated" and therefore "thick" and therefore "right wing"? Why do "not thick" people create their own political adversaries?


 
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How is this reflected in our highly educated political establishment? We have a right leaning political establishment.

Becaude the upper and political classes have 1000 years of history and experience in how to manipulate oiks - right wing politics is and has always been the best way to make them compliant.

Do you think for a second that people like Boris Johnson believe what they say? Theresa May might but she's a ****ing state school kid.


 
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[quote=convert ]But that was not the question; the question was 'tell me how this is all great.'?

You're expecting mini-Trump to answer the question? 😆


 
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[quote=big_n_daft ]as most teachers are in receipt of higher education and therefore "not thick" and also therefore "left wing", why do so many children fail in the education system and become "uneducated" and therefore "thick" and therefore "right wing"? Why do "not thick" people create their own political adversaries?

Maybe there are other things influencing children's education other than how good their teachers are - such as other people who are also right wing...


 
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Maybe there are other things influencing children's education other than how good their teachers are - such as other people who are also right wing...

who have the same amount of time with the child in a teaching environment? like who?

why can't the "not thick" teaching community counter this existential threat from "thick" right wing people?


 
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Uhhh the parents? Since when did children and parents listen to teachers anyway?


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 2:34 pm
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You're expecting mini-Trump to answer the question?

Yep, I got exactly the response I was prompting for tbh.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 2:36 pm
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Uhhh the parents? Since when did children and parents listen to teachers anyway?

the parents were educated by "not thick" highly educated teachers, why did they turn them into "thick" right wingers with the skills to counter the future influence of "not thick" highly educated teachers of their children?


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 2:41 pm
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How far back with the parents /teacher thing d'you wanna go big and daft?


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 2:43 pm
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as most teachers are in receipt of higher education and therefore "not thick" and also therefore "left wing", why do so many children fail in the education system and become "uneducated" and therefore "thick" and therefore "right wing"? Why do "not thick" people create their own political adversaries?

I believe the relevant phrase is 'you can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter' . Teachers are at best the purveyors of the finest glitter - society and genetics does the rest.


 
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Big and Daft, back in them old days, a lot of teachers were backwards racists with no qualifications as well.

Things are only going to get worse when the Flynn effect inevitably goes into reverse.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 2:49 pm
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I'm a bit confused by big n dafts argument - is he suggesting that teachers should consider themselves failures unless all pupils leave school with an above average education?


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 3:13 pm
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[quote=Northwind ]Yep, I got exactly the response I was prompting for tbh.

Ah - does it count as trolling if you're both doing it?


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 3:15 pm
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No, they should consider themselves failure if [b]their[/b] pupils leave school with a below average education


 
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Ah, so approximately what proportion of teachers do you reckon are failures? Presumably you'd be including the ones who haven't taught their pupils how to correctly use plurals...


 
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I watched the Newslight highlights of Trump's press conference and Evan Davis' interview with Gorka and find myself a little torn. Is Trump's administration playing a blinding - if irritating - game here or are they all just as belligerent and ignorant as each other. On the one hand Trump and his supporters chant "fake news", whilst the opponents chant "alt-reality". Is it all just a big smoke screen or is this really the main feature?

I can understand why a lot of people watching it would have felt that Davis "lost" and Gorka "won", despite my despair at the tactics employed by Gorka. It's either a much cleverer strategy than I'd given them credit for, or just plain luck that will run out in due course.

Fascinating and terrifying.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 3:23 pm
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You can only rate a teacher on the difference they have made to each pupil. A super thick kid will never become super intelligent kid no matter how good the teacher is. Yet a super thick kid could rise up to just thick with the correct teaching.

The fact that all kids of all intelligence are taught the same things and judged against the same things is where the problem is. We have to accept that we cannot all be judged on the same learning.


 
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In equality got us in this situation, I see plenty of well educated 'thick' people who benefitted from the their parents wealth.

On the other hand If you dont have a stable home with good internet access and access to quality education theres a also a good chance you'll end up in shit job mixing with other poorly educated people and confirming each others prejudices.

The brexiters I keep moaning about are the first sort having everything given to them in a plate and they are just thick ****s, their kids are following in their footsteps.


 
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I can understand why a lot of people watching it would have felt that Davis "lost" and Gorka "won".

And this, in a nutshell is the issue. An News interview is NOT about winning or loosing. It's about explaining to your nation why you have done what you did. However, all Trumps (frankly immoral) team do is to shout and wave their arms around. They don't say ANYTHING, it's just become a "who can win more points" s**t throwing activity.

Go back and look at some of Obamas press conferences. You might not have agreed with him or his policies, but he at least treated people (including the questioners) with respect, and attempted to explain his actions.

That Newsnight "interview" and i use the term in the loosest possible sense, was pointless, nasty, and frankly all it showed was that Trump has put in the place the worst possible people you could ever want. And then you go an look at the backgrounds of those people, and they tend to be less than flattering as well (even if <10% of Gorka's history is bull, he's still a nasty piece of work.

On September 11 2001, i watched aghast, as over 3000 people were murdered by terrorists in a country, which at that time, i considered to be our closest ally.
Fast forwards to today, and you know what, i'll be a lot less sad if the same happens again.
This is what Trumps, angry, playground politics does. It just causes anger, and disagreement. Trump and his cronies say "ah but we taking down the system" but they fail to realise that the system is there for very good reasons. The system is the result of hundreds of years of experience on how to run a country with the least possible anger and conflict.

History shows us what happens when individuals try to rewrite the rules. (see Hitler, Stalin, Pol pot, Kimvjung-un, Mugabee and numerous others). All bucked the "system", all resulted in suffering and anger for the people they were trying to protect)


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 7:13 pm
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I'm a bit confused by big n dafts argument - is he suggesting that teachers should consider themselves failures unless all pupils leave school with an above average education?

Hard to beat those damn averages, but never mind, it all evens out in the end.


 
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And this, in a nutshell is the issue. An News interview is NOT about winning or loosing. It's about explaining to your nation why you have done what you did. However, all Trumps (frankly immoral) team do is to shout and wave their arms around. They don't say ANYTHING, it's just become a "who can win more points" s**t throwing activity.

Go back and look at some of Obamas press conferences. You might not have agreed with him or his policies, but he at least treated people (including the questioners) with respect, and attempted to explain his actions.

That Newsnight "interview" and i use the term in the loosest possible sense, was pointless, nasty, and frankly all it showed was that Trump has put in the place the worst possible people you could ever want. And then you go an look at the backgrounds of those people, and they tend to be less than flattering as well (even if <10% of Gorka's history is bull, he's still a nasty piece of work.

But all that works two ways doesn't it? if the news media were reporting in an unbiased fashion, and asking constructive and reasonable questions then it might be different, but we all know that isn't the case much of the time (much, not all), with loaded, leading and and 'trick' questions being laid out because the newsreader thinks they are the new Paxman. It's not like this is purely a Trump complaint, remember not long back when the Scottish were at the point of Lynching the BBC in the runup to the indyref, let alone the ire reserved for the BBC over their coverage of Corbyn in the UK. N
ow, I'm far from saying that there isn't room for critical journalism, but the news medias coverage of Trump can hardly be called unbiased in the runup to numerous recent political events, but particularly in the US election, so this really is a situation of their own making.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 8:14 pm
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so this really is a situation of their own making.

On the subject of people's lack of credibility being a situation of their own making...


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 8:20 pm
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much of the time (much, not all), with loaded, leading and and 'trick' questions being laid out because the newsreader thinks they are the new Paxman.
That's exactly what I thought when I watched that clip. It's often the "when did you stop beating your wife" questioning that leads to an aggressive response.


 
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ISTM that you're complaining there about the BBC being biased against idiots.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 8:21 pm
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indeed Trump is a blameless big bag of honest probity and integrity just like you and your argument 😉

To read you fake news like that about fake news is truly awe inspiring
Admit it you were proud of that double whammy weren't you.

I think we would all agree the media often have an agenda [ not least those he considers to be kind and good like say Fox news] but there is a seismic step from this to what trump is doing and saying they make it all up and really his first four weeks have been the best ever or he got the most voted FACT and the most attended etc as he tries*
This is not spin or agenda its just complete BS

* My favourite is spicer and these are your words when they pointed out Trump said ban in a tweet - its just a lie.


 
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Still tortoise, good points. I felt the same but think the answer is the latter. Truly disturbing.

Q good coverage on CH4 news


 
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To read you fake news like that about fake news is truly awe inspiring

See, you appear to be unable to tell the difference between news, reportage, comment and opinion

Much like the BBC really

By the way, did you follow Gorkas advice at the start of the BBC interview? http://bfy.tw/A9qC


 
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Every now and again I have to remind myself that many many millions of people voted for Trump to be their President. I would love to type an impassioned, informed and eloquent post but, seriously, WTAF were they all thinking?


 
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[quote=scotroutes ]It's often the "when did you stop beating your wife" questioning that leads to an aggressive response.

The trouble is, in this case the aggressive response is coming from somebody who is still beating his wife. It appears that not only do we live in a post truth world, but one in which honest journalists get shot down for challenging lies.


 
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See, you appear to be unable to tell the difference between news, reportage, comment and opinion

Yes definitely me with this problem as everyone knows and admires your posts on here for their perspective, truth, accuracy and non polemic stance.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 9:55 pm
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asking constructive and reasonable questions then it might be different

"What we are concerned about, and what we haven't really heard being addressed, is an uptick in anti-Semitism and how the government is planning to take care of it," Turx said.

As Turx continued, Trump interrupted, "See, he said he was going to ask a very simple, easy question, and it's not."

The reporter said, "It's an important one."

"Not a simple question. Not a fair question. OK, sit down. I understand the rest of your question," Trump said. "So here's the story folks. No. 1, I am the least anti-Semitic person that you've ever seen in your entire life. No. 2, racism. The least racist person. In fact, we did very well relative to other people running as a Republican."

Turx raised his hand again and spoke up.

"Quiet, quiet, quiet," Trump replied. "See he lied about -- he was going to get up and ask a very straight, simple question. So, you know, welcome to the world of the media."


 
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See, you appear to be unable to tell the difference between news, reportage, comment and opinion

One wonders how many Trumpettes voted (Brexshitters too) on the basis of sensationalist Hollywood movies and Daily Fail/The Scum style reporting.
I think that some here actually believe their own bullcrap.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 10:13 pm
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Is Trumps knowledge of Uranium 'news, reportage, comment or opinion' ?


 
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Maybe people would give him a chance if everything he did wasn't a lie or contradiction, off for another golf weekend? See his hilarious tweets about Obama playing golf while the world burns.
It just goes on.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 11:21 pm
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News, reportage, comment or opinion.
Or...the semi coherent ramblings of someone who vocalizes his internal monologue....including all of the other voices he hears.


 
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Regardless of prior opinions about Trump, how could anyone who watched that press conference even consider he was fit for any high office?

F***wit doesn't even get close as a description.

As my fellow teacher wife just commented, "I've seen poorly prepared year 7 students give better presentations".

My willingness to give the benefit of the doubt is wearing mighty thin.


 
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I find part of the issue is that we expect our leaders to be at least decent orators and thinkers. OK, George W lowered the bar somewhat, but Chimp is taking it to an all new low. Chimp makes W look like a frickin' genius.

Chimp can't hold a press conference without taking offence when someone shows up his ignorance, which is a classic sign of someone who knows they are way out of their depth. It's a bit like children picking on the remedial kids at school; only in this case, that remedial kid has somehow found himself as Principal and really has no idea how he got there or what to do now he's there, except for taking his anger out on those who have wronged him.


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 11:39 pm
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I'm going to ask my mates kid t'morn if he knows what Uranium is, he's only 8, coming 9 in April but I bet I receive a more cohesive answer than [i]"You know what uranium is, right? This thing called nuclear weapons like lots of things are done with uranium including some bad things.[/i]

In fact I'd bet money on it


 
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Or...the semi coherent ramblings of someone who vocalizes his internal monologue....including all of the other voices he hears.

As opposed to someone who couldn't function without a Teleprompter, like Obama?


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 11:50 pm
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A Russian spy, a sexual predator and a billionaire walk into a bar.
The bartender says "what can I get you Mr President?"


 
Posted : 17/02/2017 11:51 pm
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That phony Lincoln wrote down the gettysburg address as well

i hate those folk who think about what they want to say and make sure its cogent


 
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[quote=ninfan ]As opposed to someone who couldn't function without a Teleprompter, like Obama?

[quote=Socrates ]The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing


 
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As opposed to someone who couldn't function without a Teleprompter, like Obama?

You certainly have it in for Obama, good job he can take criticism. I assume you never saw him talking without one, or answering questions with actual answers, even putting words into the right order. Seriously what is that uranium answer actually about?
Speaking and communication is a key part of the job. His skills at conveying information are shit. He knows it and tries his best to obscure that with shouting and complaining.


 
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Speaking and communication is a key part of the job. His skills at conveying information are shit.

oh, wow - now then, if only the public had had a chance to come to their own conclusion on this issue before the election, what with Donald craftily keeping himself away from public speaking opportunities during the campaign. Obviously, if he hadn't done this, the people would never have voted for him, would they?

Democracy appears to be a real shitter for lefties at the moment, doesn't it? 😆


 
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none of that even tries to negate the point that he is a shit speaker you sound like trump just saying he won - we know we can count 😉

Its bad but i have to say the humour - your attempts aside- is spectacular. It was the best of times it was the worst of times.


 
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Regardless of prior opinions about Trump, how could anyone who watched that press conference even consider he was fit for any high office?

F***wit doesn't even get close as a description.

As my fellow teacher wife just commented, "I've seen poorly prepared year 7 students give better presentations".

Which hardly surprising - Donald Trump is a showman not a politician. 70 years old, Trump has never preciously held elected office. Indeed it is precisely that fact which millions of people found so appealing about Trump - he wasn't part of the political/Washington elite.

Politician is a dirty word in the US in much the same way as it has become here in the UK. The people got what they wanted - someone who isn't a politician.....and lo and behold he's clueless. What else would you expect?

Donald Trump also isn't a dentist, I can guarantee that he would make a pig's ear of giving someone root canal treatment.


 
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The daily situation in goes like this:

1) Trump gives some rambling, farcical, and non-nonsensical speech about how he's going to make the world great again by doing something or other

2) Nobody can understand what he actually meant to say or what he's going to do (where nobody is both the media and the general populous)

3) People who naturally misunderstand Trumps incoherence, take offence, often not helped by his "i don't give a **** about anyone else but myself" attitude

4) The media, similarly confused attempt to ask questions. Rather than clarify, or explain, trump or one of his cronies just derail the conversation, blame someone else (usually harking back to blaming HillaryC), or just shout "fake news" or "the media are liars"

5) Eventually in the face of over whelming public opinion, being ruled against in the supreme court, and yet more petty blame throwing, Trumps team try to pass off the original statements as "we were given the wrong info" or "we didn't mean to say that" or "you idiots in the media misunderstood us". Yet more winging that the whole world is against them and not telling the truth.

6) Return to 1) and repeat ad-infinitum

I was brought up to treat others as i would like to be treated myself, with respect. From the get-go, Trump has been about conflict, name calling, trying to "destroy the career" (<<<his own words) of people he doesn't agree with. Well you know what. **** HIM. It's about time someone beat some good old fashioned manners into that fat sack of S**t. Treat him like he treats others (including his ridiculous, power hungry, immoral, selfish, lying arse licking, rapist, racist, fascist puppet mouth pieces like that POS Gorka)

Clear enough for you Ninfan??


 
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Oh, and anyone who has to repeatedly say things like:

"Number one, I am the least anti-Semitic person that you've ever seen in your entire life. Number two, racism, the least racist person"

Is quite clearly both a liar, and a See You Next Tuesday of the highest order.

People with True Morality don't need to say things like that^^^^


 
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if only the public had had a chance to come to their own conclusion on this issue before the election, what with Donald craftily keeping himself away from public speaking opportunities during the campaign

Record still broken? We know he won a election (got less votes). We can criticise him though it's called democracy. You certainly seem keen to criticise Obama yet he was elected twice.


 
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Seen a couple of articles suggesting that the Democrats and press use his own tactics against him.

All well and good, but then we are in a proper race to the bottom.

Having said that, not yet sure how you would go about negating the current Whitehouse tactics?


 
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Ernie. Totally agree, but just trying to articulate my struggle to comprehend what is going on in the US right now. I watch the news and am floating between incomprehension, laughter and terror.

All down to the nature of the man himself. This is not about his politics or policy (as to be honest I'm not sure what they exactly are based on his announcements).

And, wouldn't you expect someone you choose as your dentist to at least be competent to fix your teeth, whether or not you like them as a person?


 
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Oh, and anyone who has to repeatedly say things like:

"Number one, I am the least anti-Semitic person that you've ever seen in your entire life. Number two, racism, the least racist person"

You missed out this one :

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I can't help thinking that if Trump believes that "nobody has more respect for women" than he has, then he probably hasn't looked very hard.


 
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On September 11 2001, i watched aghast, as over 3000 people were murdered by terrorists in a country, which at that time, i considered to be our closest ally.
Fast forwards to today, and you know what, i'll be a lot less sad if the same happens again.

GWB was President in 2001 are you sure Trump is much worse than him? Trump is just the latest in a line of horrible US Presidents. Clinton would have been equally horrible.


 
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GWB was President in 2001 are you sure Trump is much worse than him?

Yes, he is much worse. His opening salvo of policy, his open attacks on the judicial system give him that title for now. I don't think Clinton would have spent her first month provoking China and Iran, offending both neighbours, and banning legal residents access to the country. I could be wrong though, I also reckon she knows a bit more about uranium...


 
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Clinton would have been equally horrible.

You don't really believe that do you? If you do, it just shows that if you throw enough shit, some of it will stick.


 
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I don't think Clinton would have spent her first month provoking China and Iran

Probably not as Clinton would be too busy provoking Russia into a military conflict, something which she promised to do as she set out to help her terrorist friends in Syria.

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zones-russia-us-war ]Why Clinton's plans for no-fly zones in Syria could provoke US-Russia conflict[/url]

Furthermore Trump's first month of "provoking" China doesn't appear to have had serious consequences for his business interests there.

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/china-awards-donald-trump-trademark-honour-one-china-policy-taiwan-a7583431.html ]China awards Donald Trump valuable trademark days after he agrees to honour 'One China' policy[/url]


 
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Dwight Yorke refused entry to US (transit via Miami) due to an Iranian stamp in his passport. Regulation introduced by Obama for "that" list of countries

The incident came as controversy continued to rage at the entry ban imposed on citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries by Donald Trump, which was suspended by the courts last week.

However on this occasion, Yorke appears to have been caught by a regulation introduced by the Obama administration.

It ruled that anyone who had visited Iran - along with Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Libya, Yemen or Sudan - were no longer allowed to use the visa waiver programme.

Anyone with an offending stamp in their passport is required to obtain a visa from a US embassy before attempting to enter the country.


 
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Trump = anti-Semitc thing is a bit if a stretch as the Americans would say. Daughter converted and marri d to a relatively religious Jew, administration top team has numerous Jewish appointees and a strongly pro-Israel stance certainly far more than Obama the least supportive President for a long time.


 
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The desperation of Trump's supporters on here, in the face of his increasingly bizarre behaviour, to defend him no matter what simply because he is not representative of their hated "left-wing" politics, is a wonder.

His unguarded comments during the campaign regarding John McCain's war record are coming back to bite him. McCain seems now to be leading the attack from within the GOP against him. I think we will see an accretion of notable Republicans around his lead.

Not only is Trump's "own" party gathering to be rid of him, but when even Fox "News" starts to attack, he must know that it's nearly game over.

In the wings, a well-placed Mike Pence, who is playing a superb game of hide-the-dagger...


 
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Trump = anti-Semitc thing is a bit if a stretch as the Americans would say.
probably why the Jewish reporter went to such lengths to point out that no one had accused Trump of being anti semitic
Like you its the Muslims he dislikes and he attempts to demonise them, as you have, and he uses the race card, as you have, to garner votes/support.

Still I can only imagine your reaction had a rabid lefty [ or even Hilary]got into power and anti semitic attacks were on the rise
For some reason when a leader supported by white supremacists and with KKK links gets in and the attacks on the diaspora rise you remain silent on the issue except to say he is not anti -semitic
The problem is some of his supporters are and some of them are just outright racists ans some of them are white supremacists and he has emboldened them so jewish folk are less safe. as the Donald would say
Sad, this is bad.


 
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GWB was President in 2001 are you sure Trump is much worse than him?

Yes, he is much worse. His opening salvo of policy, his open attacks on the judicial system give him that title for now.

Right, so let's get this straight, Trump criticising some judges is a [b]worse[/b] attack on the judicial system of the United States that GWB kidnapping people from other countries, shipping them to CIA black sites, water boarding them and keeping them locked up in cages indefinitely?

And you wonder why people think the political left have lost all sense of proportion when it comes to Donald Trump!


 
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Only rabid right wingers - or those who pretend for forum fun - think the political left has lost all sense of proportion- tbh many on the right are saying the same thing - though of course John Mccain may have become a lefty in the last few weeks who knows

Actually this is pointless at the time you were explaining the geneva convention to us[ why it did not apply] and how unlawful combatants had no rights and explaining how it was all legal

I think i might change file blocker to simply say

Ninfan said something that contradicts everything he ever said simply to provoke a lefty [ whereby lefty is anyone with morals a soul or cares - heck even THM might be one in your eyes]
PS remember not even he believes the stuff he posts


 
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Right, so let's get this straight, Trump criticising some judges is a worse attack on the judicial system of the United States that GWB kidnapping people from other countries, shipping them to CIA black sites, water boarding them and keeping them locked up in cages indefinitely?

Trump promised to bring back water boarding during his campaign....maybe he already has.


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 10:34 am
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Right, so let's get this straight, Trump criticising some judges is a worse attack on the judicial system of the United States that GWB kidnapping people from other countries, shipping them to CIA black sites, water boarding them and keeping them locked up in cages indefinitely?

You do realise Trump has promised to resurrect that practice, don't you?

As a president, it remains to be seen who Trump will be compared against, but as a figurehead and public speaker, his only direct comparison is to monkeys flinging their own faeces, although I bet monkeys have more empathy.


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 10:34 am
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First US president to get impeached!


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 10:48 am
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depends on whether the republicans think he will do more damage to them in power or impeached


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 10:55 am
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First US president to get impeached!

You can file that alongside Trump's facts about the size of his election win.


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:01 am
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indeed a few have been impeached - or charged- but none convicted

Nixon resigned to avoid the inevitable

IIRC he also went to war with the "liars in the press"


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:05 am
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Junky - so go on then, do it, put me on you file blocker, I dare you, it really would break my little heart.

I just don't understand why you don't just go ahead and do it instead of broadcasting it out to be some kind of major threat

*passive-aggressive attention whore alert*

Go on, do it, do it, do it - block me! You don't need to broadcast it, just do it, less virtue signalling, more action.

Thing is, I bet you keep reading and replying, won't you? You can't not, can you?


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:09 am
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I think he will chuck the towel in, it's all getting too difficult and he is not getting his way. Will announce he tried but the Judges,Media, Congress, Republicans wouldn't let him change things..

Then we get President Pence


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:13 am
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Ahhh it's all gone "handbags"


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:15 am
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The Reps will allow the buffoon to put through as many of their policies as possible before pulling the plug. They know a simpleton patsy when they see one.
Scott Pruitt is possibly the most ominous appointment yet.


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:15 am
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[quote=Junkyard ][ whereby lefty is anyone with morals a soul or cares - heck even THM might be one in your eyes]

As much as it might pain you, I've already claimed him as one of us on this thread.


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:32 am
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THM Is a one nation tory and he does care about the poor/needy/unfortunate
Where we differ on is whether capitalism can cure poverty or whether it requires state intervention. He is just as uncomfortable with suffering as I am but less bothered by unequal distribution of wealth.

Ninfan [ careful now that is the sort of meltdown you are trying to provoke not DO yourself] the reason i appeal to you is despite your scribbles on here you are clearly a bright intelligent and sensitive - your daughter thread for example - who is simply typing things like that for a reaction rather than because you actually believe what you say.

Truthfully I feel a little like luke skywalker to Darth vader[ forgive me but you get the point] - I have seen the good in you so I appeal to your better side in the hope you can be yourself and stop "trolling" just for reactions

Actually scrap that now I know it winds you up perhaps I should use your MO against you as lets be honest who cares what we say as long as it provokes a response in someone preferably one as strong as that in you or should I do the grown up mature thing snowflake? 😉


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:34 am
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The desperation of Trump's supporters on here, in the face of his increasingly bizarre behaviour, to defend him no matter what simply because he is not representative of their hated "left-wing" politics, is a wonder.

One of their character traits is the they simply cannot admit when they are wrong so cannot admit to him being less than perfect for them. Not sure what he would have to do, kill a baby on live TV? (but even then it would be discounted as fake news)


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:41 am
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Nah i think we are misunderestimating him. To his fans it will be great to see him stick it to the media they wont care that he did it in a fake news way and he was more guilty of all the claims than they are

they will just see one of them sticking it to the man and all the attacks are proof of how much power they have and how they attack folk

the problem he has, longer term, is POTUS needs to lead a country not lead a protest group and he has to try and build consensus on the hill and in the country he seems uninterested in either of these choices

Essentially he wants the adulation of being popular but not the tough choices and compromises that inevitably come with being POTUS


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 11:51 am
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My realisation is that he is in a period of celebrating his victory, as if that is all that it was actually about. His constant reference to his victory, the exaggerations, the bullshit, the references to how crap Clinton was. He expected the adulation of the press, he just wants to read how awesome the MSM think he was. His narcissism can't see past that.

Now however we have the next phase, an extension of that victory. He speaks to those who voted for him as the beneficiaries of his largesse. He's doing what they want, what he promised, and he's using the prejudices they and he fervently believed when things don't fit his plans ( if you can call them plans.) His popularity is born from what is happening now, except the pointy headed ****-wits who get their news from the conspiracy theory sites are now being fed giant-sized portions of confirmation bias, live on TV.

Anyone who didn't vote for him is an irrelevance. Look at the transcript of his references to Obamacare:
"Obamacare is a disaster, folks. It is's disaster. I know you can say, oh, Obamacare. I mean, they fill up our alleys with people that you wonder how they get there, but they are not the Republican people our that representatives are representing."

So if you aren't on team Trump, take a hike.


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 12:22 pm
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As it was pointed out before some people who voted for him voted Republican not Trump. They won't support him for long.


 
Posted : 18/02/2017 12:28 pm
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ninfan
Junky - so go on then, do it, put me on you file blocker, I dare you, it really would break my little heart.

I just don't understand why you don't just go ahead and do it instead of broadcasting it out to be some kind of major threat

*passive-aggressive attention whore alert*

Go on, do it, do it, do it - block me! You don't need to broadcast it, just do it, less virtue signalling, more action.

Thing is, I bet you keep reading and replying, won't you? You can't not, can you?

And Trumps PLAYGROUND POLITICS finds it's true home.


 
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