My realisation is that he is in a period of celebrating his victory, as if that is all that it was actually about. His constant reference to his victory, the exaggerations, the bullshit, the references to how crap Clinton was. He expected the adulation of the press, he just wants to read how awesome the MSM think he was. His narcissism can't see past that.
Jesus, what a heap of amateur cod-psycho-analysis
Why don't people actually see what's in front of their noses
Listen to the last minute of the Gorka interview - he actually tells you exactly what is going on!
TRump won the election by cutting the media out of the loop and speaking directly to the electorate, they have learned that lesson and made it direct policy. As long as he keeps doing that, the media don't matter.
So instead of going through the press which will question their lies, they're going to lie directly to the public through other means. That sounds pretty accurate.
There's definitely no precedent for that being a bad thing.
Seems like the biggest problem with Trump is that everyone is OVERestimated him - including himself. That's the problem, Actually, that's not true, or at best only partially - the problem comes when everyone wakes up to the fact.
ninfanListen to the last minute of the Gorka interview - he actually tells you exactly what is going on!
You know what i got from that 'interview'? (and i use the word loosely because it was really just a pointless avoid answering the question type affair) What i got was the fact that after just 2 mins of watching that Gorka chap talk, i wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him. Who knows if what he said is true or false, but you know what, i don't even care. He came across as a spiteful, aggressive, Joseph_Goebbels type puppet.
And there's the rub, the nub of the situation. Trumps selfish "me first" attitude may have won him the election, but when it comes to actually doing something, you need friends, not enemies. Every single one of Trumps team come across as horrible people, people who've long since cast aside any moral decency in the name of power and furthering their own selfish aims.
As far as i am concerned, they can all go jump in a lake! (hopefully full of hungry crocodiles who don't GAS about that 'fake news' or 'we're not racists' bull)
So instead of going through the press which will question their lies, they're going to lie directly to the public through other means. That sounds pretty accurate.
If the press had anything approaching a shred of credibility anymore that would be a fair point, but the thing is that they have screwed their own pooch, their complete lack of impartiality in the runup to the election, the election night forecasts with a 99% chance of Clinton winning. It was all utter garbage. How on earth do they expect to be believed in anything ever again?
Get this, the Trump administration is viewed as [b]more[/B] trustworthy than the media - how utterly f***ed up is that 🙂
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/318514-trump-admin-seen-as-more-truthful-than-news-media-poll
The Daily Mail, Breitbart, and its ilk have not a shred of credibility.
The people who staff the NYT, the Washington Post, the New Yorker and others are highly intelligent, responsible professionals who work exceptionally hard and have fact-checking processes they follow. It saddens me to see honest people denigrated by shameless charlatans.
The poll was conducted Feb. 5-6 with a sample of 617 registered voters and a margin of error of 3.9 percentage points.
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What's the truth behind this?
Anyone have more info? I'm struggling to believe that this is actually happening, and hoping there's more to it.
It can't be right can it?
I won't click that link Ninfan. I don't support Nazi propaganda.
I think the damage trump does to the environment alone will be a legacy that Americans are going to regret bigly. His idiot policies and political damage to the country can be fixed with time but bending over backwards for oil and coal beacuse they have money is unforgivable. His actions in the past are questionable, his actions in the present are disgusting but his effect on the future may be irreversible.
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Ah, future doom predictions, fantastic
Again, Haha, very funny eh.
No not if it's you or your family who are forced to drink and wash in polluted rivers, streams and oceans so that some rich bloke can get a bit richer:
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That ^^ is reality, not some stupid cartoon drawn by someone rich who lives in a nice house
Yes, because Donald Trump [b]literally[/b] said it was OK to be a rapist didn't he?
You know what else? I heard that if you say his name three times in front of a mirror he will appear, and that if you play the Macarena backwards it says his name!
That ^^ is reality, not some stupid cartoon drawn by someone rich who lives in a nice house
You may have noticed that those photos of pollution is actually already taking place, in the counties where Trump wants to bring American factories [b]back[/b] from. [b]Not[/b] doing that is endorsing that pollution continuing, just because it's in another country.
Over 4 million women marched world wide having considered that to be the case, in one of the largest peace time rallies ever held.
But why would degenerate selfish and immoral people like Trump and his supporters care......
ninfan -You may have noticed that those photos of pollution is actually already taking place, in the counties where Trump wants to bring American factories back from...
It's OK to pollute your own country then is it?
Over 4 million women marched world wide having considered that to be the case, in one of the largest peace time rallies ever held.
You appear to make the assumption that those four million women are rational, sensible people 😉
It's OK to pollute your own country then is it?
I'm beginning to think that you may well have joined them on their march...
Answer the question: [b]Do you consider it OK to pollute your own country.[/b]
The answer can be either
"YES"
or
"NO"
As long as he keeps doing that, the media don't matter.
haha you wish.
He's already started losing Fox, A Republican President! while some of his more tinfoil hatted supporters might not watch mainstream media, you can bet the vast vast vast majority of the US population is doing exactly that. Mom and Pop america aren't ever going to look at Breitbart or Indfowars, they're going to watch Wake Up America and CNN and Fox, and guess what, they're all saying the same thing, Trump is a loon.
someone close to him, better tell Trump he's not wearing any clothes...
TRump won the election by cutting the media out of the loop and speaking directly to the electorate, they have learned that lesson and made it direct policy
He is still a shit talkie liar though. He can't speak without contradiction OK anything as his twitter finger is so hot.
@maxtorque, you answer mine first, after I asked before you did:
[i]"Yes, because Donald Trump [b]literally[/b] said it was OK to be a rapist didn't he?"[/i]
The answer can be either
"YES"
or
"NO"
and in reality ninfan are you a trump die hard or a pathetic troll?
The pres of the US is a man who cannot take criticism, will never admit defeat, has contempt for the US constitution, has no respect for the law, has no real policy on anything. When challenged instead of being able to defend or debate he hates on those asking legitimate questions.
At this point I will assume I am being dismissed as a bleeding heart liberal. I put myself as business center right and socially left (ie left and right are bollox in modern political discussion)
If you want to be liberal and no regulation then gay marrige and who pisses where is not an issue.
If you want to be progressive on tax to make US manufacturing work then paying for peoples health care regardless of your pro life religious BS makes sense.
I assume this will result in the ban hammer bur ninfan of all the pathetic trolls you are the worst, you have no logic to rely on, you just disagree for sport. At least chewkw does it with no random meaning and poor jamby just hates islam, You seem to be doing it as some kind of non league sport trying to play premier league.
There is a flip side to that, he's probably the most watched/ridiculed president in history. So we are all guilty for giving him this platform.mikewsmith - Member
and in reality ninfan are you a trump die hard or a pathetic troll?
The pres of the US is a man who cannot take criticism, will never admit defeat, has contempt for the US constitution, has no respect for the law, has no real policy on anything. When challenged instead of being able to defend or debate he hates on those asking legitimate questions.
We really should stop playing the game.
Some people actually say (and believe) he's an other hitler with a straight face! 😆
Maybe but claiming that we cannot complain about Trump as he was elected while complaining about Obama is rank hypocrisy which needs calling out.
Also part of the Trump plan is to normalise lies. This needs to stop.
I'm not complain because he was elected, he'll do what he does, tbh doesn't particularly affect me anyhow, my only real concern is how much influence he will have on UK/European politics(the later looks like zero(guess could be more, depends how europe develops down this path), the former is more concerning considering our own bams.).
But by platform, I mean give him attention. Someone mentioned earlier having his press conferences/ briefings completely empty. Seems like a fine idea to me, purely report on his actions, not the words of this presidency. (While hopefully others get their arse in gear for when this charade is ready to run it's course. I'm doubtful about that though, most likely it'll just be some other faction of corporate arseholes.)
[quote=Junkyard ]THM Is a one nation tory and he does care about the poor/needy/unfortunate
Where we differ on is whether capitalism can cure poverty or whether it requires state intervention. He is just as uncomfortable with suffering as I am but less bothered by unequal distribution of wealth.
I'm sure I don't need to point out that I'm somewhere between the two of you - I can see merit in both of your POVs (and I don't see unequal distribution of wealth as a bad thing per se - I'd argue the important point is the level of wealth and standard of living of the poorest and if that is improved 10% whilst the bloke at the top doubles his money then that's actually a better situation).
[quote=ninfan ]You may have noticed that those photos of pollution is actually already taking place, in the counties where Trump wants to bring American factories back from. Not doing that is endorsing that pollution continuing, just because it's in another country.
Good point well made. Trump wants to bring all that back to the US, and removing environmental regulation is one part of doing that. Welcome to the race to the bottom.
You appear to make the assumption that those four million women are rational, sensible people
You're right, probably a good portion of them have blood coming from their wherever.
Someone mentioned earlier having his press conferences/ briefings completely empty.
Indeed. He is nothing but a troll. A lot like his "supporters" on here.
and in reality ninfan are you a trump die hard or a pathetic troll?
Are you new around here?
I think starting next week, as an experiment, I will act like trump at work and see what happens.
Could be interesting, will I get a fat pay rise for making the company great again or get my p45 for being an arsehole.
So trumps approval rating after a month is the lowest ever, he must be doing something right. 11 points below Clinton who previously held the record.
I think starting next week, as an experiment, I will act like trump at work and see what happens.
You say that as a joke. I had the misfortune to live in the US through the Reagan years, and I definitely observed an increased acceptability of just telling lies among my colleagues and others. Heaven knows what the Trump effect will be.
So we know that 'going straight to the people' or cutting the media is rule#1 in the facist dictator handbook and we know that Trump and his communicstion team are liars and we know that Miller and Gork are unhinged psychopaths but theres still some people who think we may not have a problem here?
#delusional
I think starting next week, as an experiment, I will act like trump at work and see what happens.Could be interesting, will I get a fat pay rise for making the company great again or get my p45 for being an arsehole.
As long as you are CEO of the company then you can give it a go. Being a narcissistic dictator only really works if you own or run the company. Watch the employment laws as not as easy to sack someone in the UK though.
Thirty years in corporations, I can tell you lying is common place and quite often the best strategy.
BTW, you still haven't answered my question.
[url= http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-navy-secretary-nominee-on-the-verge-of-withdrawing/ ]the finely tuned machine might have slipped another cog[/url]
BTW, You still haven't answered mine, you simply dumbly repeated fake news.
Has teacher not called the children in yet?
And for god's sake will someone answer ninfan's question. He asked it first and his dad is probably bigger than yours too. And your mum smells.
I know his pants are on fire, but...
If i ever meet you Ninfan, i hope you've got good medical insurance.
Why?
And why give him what he wants?
Only if you let him.
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I disagree there Tom.
A tool is useful.
thinks that it is acceptable to assume that [u]all[/u] women that you grope who don't fight back are up for a good bit of pretend rape.
More #FakeNews - you're stuck in the extrapolation cycle again.
Well that's one explanation.However, i'd suggest that most people reading what he wrote considered it to be very different.
Generally in popular culture saying "your mum" is a crash way to basically insulate that they have had sexual relations with your mother.
Well done, you've accepted you were wrong. Go on then, apologise.
No trump just eyes them up as kids and waits until they are 10 years older and never say no.....
I can see why Ninfan admires someone so classy
And I'd suggest you need to wind your neck in, take a chill pill and bone up on your English language comprehension before assuming other folk can't read the written word either.However, i'd suggest that most people reading what he wrote considered it to be very different.
Edit: I can't believe I'm defending ninfan.
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Scot, I'm not sure why you are defending Ninfan, but of course you have every right to do that. But in all seriousness, can you see why his reply, which had no explanation and the intonation of which is impossible to get from the typed word, could easily be considered abusive and inflammatory?
Read the replys from other forum members immediately after his post. It's clear a lot of people considered it to be just that.
Absolutely not. I simply took it to mean that you're acting like a child - hence him suggesting you need to ask a grown up. As for what other folk are posting I can only suggest it's a Saturday night and some have been on the booze since lunchtime.Scot, I'm not sure why you are defending Ninfan, but of course you have every right to do that. But in all seriousness, can you see why his reply, which had no explanation and the intonation of which is impossible to get from the typed word, could easily be considered abusive and inflammatory?
Ok, that is indeed one possible explanation. As i believe in democratic representation, shall we have a vote on it?
I took it as used in the parlance of our times, as maxtorque did.
4 hours and no one's posted?! What's happened?
So as we're all allowed back in why don't we kick off with trumps rather strange and ego-stroking media rally he's currently holding in "The Southern White House", his description not mine btw.
It's all quite surreal as he continues to ramp up his [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39018096 ]tirade against the fake news press reporting [/url], does he really believe that if he repeats the phrase enough times that his followers/acolytes will believe him?. Surely this is beginning to do irrevocable damage to the Republican Party?, much as I dislike and disagree with many of their policies their continuing support of [i]leader/spokesman/orange tinted bawbag[/i] is akin to playing pass the parcel with a grenade minus the pin, it's going to go off at some point and those who align themselves with him are going to get shredded.
Or am I just a wounded snowflake leftie who should [i]man-up[/i] and act like a dick every now and then?
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Only if you let him.
This post did make sense at the time. Honest.
At least before the thread was censored by the mainstream media...
(If I used smileys, there might be some here now).
[quote=aracer ]Junkyard  » I'd argue the important point is the level of wealth and standard of living of the poorest and if that is improved 10% whilst the bloke at the top doubles his money then that's actually a better situation).
of course but them doubling their money and him having 10% is even better
Where i differ form a traditionalist communist * is i dont really care who own what I care that it is fairly and evenly distributed - certainly vastly more so than now
Personally I find it disgusting that we have people worth billions when we have folk unable to get clean water and them and their children dying of preventable causes such as malnutrition. The things can be ended easily but, and how many more centuries would you like to run the experiment?- not under the current model.
I accept you both have a social conscious and a RW economic ethics hence...natural Blairites the pair of you[ or as i call it right wing] 😉
* I am not one though I can see why fok think it. I like society and think together we can achieve more by collective action and regulating the impulses of the avaricious and making them share as they sure as hell wont give it up despite the odd notable philanthropist **
** I dont mean BONO.
Alpha1653 - Member4 hours and no one's posted?! What's happened?
The thread was put in the naughty corner and a load of posts removed.
Ahhh....it all suddenly makes sense. I tried reading the posts which are left to see what happened but it makes even less sense than usual, probably because a load have gone AWOL!
And still it makes more sense than a Trump press conference.
Anyway today we have his biggly uuuuge rally to deal with. It's as if he is actually trying to push the dictator image out there.
And as if to push that further if you have ever said anything bad about Trump your not getting a job. Kind of narrows down the applications
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So with ninfan off on his hollibobs, and chekwk fulfilling the fun drunk role, who is going to fight the good fight?
Risk of becoming an echo chamber with no consenting voices.
so like the Corbyn thread but for the lefties 😉
Getting back to alternative facts, Trump at his rally yesterday claimed something Muslim/terrorism happened in Sweden yesterday, it didn't, nothing untoward happened. A complete lie.
aracer » Junkyard » I'd argue the important point is the level of wealth and standard of living of the poorest and if that is improved 10% whilst the bloke at the top doubles his money then that's actually a better situation).
Didn't The Spirit Level say exactly the opposite?
Glad to see this thread is back.
Stay cool, argue till you puke.
It can take a lot of work cleaning up a big thread when a few turn it bad, we also have to work out who the culprits are. So it was closed while we did just that as we have better things to do on as Saturday night.
Right back to work on Trump folks.
That may be the case, Drac. But without being able to read your minds most assumed it had just been shutdown for good.
Bit like the EPA will be soon.
Is it fairly obvious to everyone except trump that he's being used as a distraction while policies are pushed through and once he gets too embarrassing he'll get dumped?
True Jamie but I'm pretty sure everyone survived to post another day.
True Jamie but I'm pretty sure everyone survived to post another day.
They did indeed.
Thank you for your service.
Is it fairly obvious to everyone except trump that he's being used as a distraction while policies are pushed through
Whats been pushed through though? He still doesn't have a cabinet to push policy, another nomination just withdrew. He is sacking people already and departments are light on numbers.
It's a truly dysfunctional government at the moment.
His speech yesterday was very light on any kind of policy, there was talk of getting rid of stuff etc and lots of taxes but no sign of action.
It's also becoming clearer that he is toxic to a number of the republicans and their campaign bank balances.
and cheers to the Mods for slogging through all of this!!
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Getting back to alternative facts, Trump at his rally yesterday claimed something Muslim/terrorism happened in Sweden yesterday, it didn't, nothing untoward happened. A complete lie.
What does a president actually have to do to get impeached? Is directly lying to the population of you country sufficient?
No, otherwise all politicians would be kicked out. However, Trump does seem to enjoy taking lying to new levels.
What does a president actually have to do to get impeached? Is directly lying to the population of you country sufficient?
Treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdeameanours. Lying is unfortunately not enough.
And also annoy whoever controls the House of Representatives.
(The Republicans at the moment).
Is it fairly obvious to everyone except trump that he's being used as a distraction while policies are pushed through and once he gets too embarrassing he'll get dumped?
Nothing pushed through yet but Bannon and Pence are waiting for the right moment to throw Trump to the wolves before trying to roll the clock back to the 30's or 40's.
Errr, yes, sorry about the post with the naughty 'word' in it. I 'may' have got home from a birthday party having imbibed a little and decided that dropping a c-grenade into this thread was a good idea. 😳
If it is any defence, it is the word that I associate most with Trump.