They'll be loads of regular Americans looking at their 401k funds tanking who will be wondering what they voted for
It'll be spun into a win an there will be plenty of people who lap it up.
Trump's entire MO is he sees himself as a dealmaker
Is this based on anything other than the usual Trump delusion?
Is this based on anything other than the usual Trump delusion?
According to the guy who Trump claims 'ghost wrote' The Art of the Deal, when interviewed on Five Live recently, he said he wrote the whole book with no involvement at all from Trump, who just couldn't be arsed. He just put his name to it.
Of the small amount of time he actually spent with him, he said the only thing that struck him was the fact that he just lied constantly about pretty much everything to pretty much everyone
Of the small amount of time he actually spent with him, he said the only thing that struck him was the fact that he just lied constantly about pretty much everything to pretty much everyone
Please paste that onto the Boris Johnson thread too.
Cheeks.
Same.
Arse.
Trump said on his platform today:
"To the many investors coming into the United States and investing massive amounts of money, my policies will never change,"
"This is a great time to get rich, richer than ever before," he adds.
So yes, the rich will get richer, which is all he is really interested in.
You have to wonder about the level of evil of someone making a political point on the back of the poorest people on the planet
I watched an old clip, probably 1980s, of Trump explaining to Oprah how he'd impose high tariffs on the friendly countries rather than the unfriendly ones. His rationale being that it's easier to get the friendly ones to agree because the unfriendly ones would hit back ..Don is clearly a full on Russian asset, tasked by Vlad to bankrupt and destabilise the west, it's the only explanation 😉
It reminded me of a bully I knew in school. Lots befriended him in the hope of avoiding his quick fists. But they actually got hit the most because he felt safer hitting them than other kids he didn't know as well and wasn't as confident of not getting hit back.
So, where does all the money "go" when there's a huge sell off of stocks?
Even if both large and small investors sell off share and stick the resultant funds in a high interest savings account in the Nationwide, the Nationwide has got to "invest" those funds to, at least, cover the interest due.
(All of which is a roundabout way of asking who is making a shit ton of money during this great sell off, and how?)
So, where does all the money "go" when there's a huge sell off of stocks?
AIUI they largely lend it to the government by buying bonds.
the nobber has lost me 2.5% on the value of my pension
Currently, I'm down about 18 months worth of pension...having said that, my pension has done pretty well over the last couple of years so it's "only" a paper loss at the moment 🤷
(I've been fairly heavily invested in a US index fund for about 15 years so it's been a rollercoaster...)
(All of which is a roundabout way of asking who is making a shit ton of money during this great sell off, and how?)
Short sellers will be doing well if they got in just before.
The main way though is if you have plenty of cash available for long term investments then buying as the market craters will generally result in good profits in a few years time. Although previous performance blah blah may be very relevant with Trump setting fire to everything he can find.
If this isn't the clearest example of why almost unlimited executive power is a Bad Thing, I don't know where else to look.
So, where does all the money "go" when there's a huge sell off of stocks?
Someone will buy the dip and keep hold of them until they recover.
Yes Trump is a liar, that is an undisputable fact. It doesn't however mean that American voters don't know what their experiences were during Trump's first term. If they found a job after being unemployed for a period of time, or saw their wages increase in real terms, or were lifted out of poverty, or/and saw friends and family members experience the same, then that is likely to have affected how they voted.
That was before the Tangerine Mussolini had full control of the government, and he didn’t have Elonia as his First Lady as an enabler, and before they started to shut down vast parts of the government and sack tens of thousands of workers, many of whom will struggle to find jobs, the destruction of America’s health systems will almost inevitably result in large numbers of unnecessary deaths, and the repercussions will be enormous right across the entire world.
I doubt many of those ordinary blue-collar workers will have had the slightest comprehension of the colossal shitstorm that’s coming their way.
Weather forecasts will be poorer, the help given by the government after huge storms and floods will be vastly reduced, because of course, all that money is being wasted on a bunch of losers who nobody cares about.
Diaper Don needs to be arrested and impeached, however, with the control he has over sections of the government involved with security, like the FBI and NSA, it’s hard to see who would have the balls to arrest him.
Seems like this is all part of his grand plan to tank the entire economy, in order to make everyone rich…
So, where does all the money "go" when there's a huge sell off of stocks?
Someone will buy the dip and keep hold of them until they recover.
They will still probably be paying dividends no?
They will still probably be paying dividends no?
Oh yeah, some will. The volume of shares I've ever owned barely factors into my ownership calculations though.
So, where does all the money "go" when there's a huge sell off of stocks?
Even if both large and small investors sell off share and stick the resultant funds in a high interest savings account in the Nationwide, the Nationwide has got to "invest" those funds to, at least, cover the interest due.
(All of which is a roundabout way of asking who is making a shit ton of money during this great sell off, and how?)
For someone to sell,.someone else has to buy at the same value.
So, where does all the money "go" when there's a huge sell off of stocks?
Someone will buy the dip and keep hold of them until they recover.
'Timing the dip' is another matter entirely... I think we will see further global stock market losses over the next few weeks as countries place counter-tarrifs on the Trump regime.
I suspect there will also be a long slow recovery, several years or more, rather than a 'bounce back'.
All those tech Bros that donated millions to trumps 'inauguration' fund must be feeling a bit foolish right now theyres seeing billions wiped off their value caught between china & usa in a trade war
lols
wonder gow vance is taking it as hes been their link to trump
Errrrrrr hello, wakey wakey...
The era (century!) of US exceptionalism has just ended. There is currently no good reason to be holding US equities, and there are an awful lot of people heading for the door. My recommendation would be to join them whilst you still have some profits.
Short of a motorcade through Dallas is there a process to get rid of him ?
Don is clearly a full on Russian asset, tasked by Vlad to bankrupt and destabilise the west, it's the only explanation 😉
It reminded me of a bully I knew in school. Lots befriended him in the hope of avoiding his quick fists. But they actually got hit the most because he felt safer hitting them than other kids he didn't know as well and wasn't as confident of not getting hit back.
Thats what wrong with trump, and those of his ilk. He needs the mother of all kickings, given the chance (15 years ago) I’d very happily put myself forward for the job of rearranging his face
Well obviously Trump is very pleased with this, although obviously the small increase in unemployment will be ignored
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/04/labor-department-us-jobs-report-march
The US added 228,000 jobs in March, far more than expected
"GREAT JOB NUMBERS, FAR BETTER THAN EXPECTED. IT’S ALREADY WORKING. HANG TOUGH, WE CAN’T LOSE!!!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.
The era (century!) of US exceptionalism has just ended.
Unless this presidency is brought to a swift end, or Trump stays in post but is reined in with his madcap antics, I'm inclined to agree with that.
Looking from the outside in, the US looks absolutely in the toilet from where I'm sitting.
It *could* be a good thing in the long term, that nations need to work between themselves without the US looming large and intervening, however there are one hell of a lot of risks.
I really, really feel for sensible reasonable folk in the US right now. Must feel a lot like just after the Brexit vote did for me - ashamed of your own nation and what it had become
Does "jobs added" mean individuals who were previously unemployed, are now employed in FT roles? So a net gain in overall employment?
Call me sceptical but I'm not sure I'd fully trust any federal government statistics under the Trump regime...
(And note that ADP has the number at 155k, not 228k, for March, though ADP only cover private sector. So, unless the individual States have been in a hiring frenzy to offset the huge number of Federal employees being terminated, something seems amiss...)
the unemployment rate actually rose to 4.2% which is joint highest since 2022 and higher than expected
Which means more people in work, but more people looking for work
the figures only included 4000 in federal worker losses, with another 250k plus announced by musk's team , so Aprils figures could be grim im sure he won't mention that!
meanwhile biggest stock crash since COVID is hard for even trump to pretend is all part of the plan
Im just waiting for China to use this chaos to finally make their move on Taiwan!
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Does "jobs added" mean individuals who were previously unemployed, are now employed in FT roles? So a net gain in overall employment?
I think it just means extra jobs, so say a firm that was previously employing 100 people and since March has been employing 110 people this has added an extra 10 to the total.
By all means be sceptical of the figures provided by the US Bureau of Labor statistics but I don't think that anyone is doubting them. And if they are being manipulated in Trump's favour then they will certainly have their job cut out in a couple of months time when the shit hits the fan.
Here's more detail from the news provider Trump loves to hate, CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/04/economy/us-jobs-report-march-2025/index.html
is there a process to get rid of him ?
Potentially - he can be impeached (but that’s very hard to do - you need a smoking gun and outrage even among his own party, I don’t think there is actually either) or he could be found mentally unfit for office which whilst I think there is a strong argument for I think getting that through would be almost as hard as impeachment!
BUT if you displace Trump you don’t get a new election, you get Vance.
So impeach JD Vance as well !
Vance must surely also be a candidate for treason.
the line of succession just gets worse, i think mike Johnson is next, somehow you'd end up with musk or hulk higan
I've just engaged a work colleague - who has never once shown any interest in economics past how much his health insurance costs - about his questioning "why do 170 countries have tariffs on the USA?"
I'll report back with insights into the thinking of a full-blooded MAGA
If this isn't the clearest example of why almost unlimited executive power is a Bad Thing, I don't know where else to look.
They should have created two other branches to keep the executive in check.
Oh.....
You know how archaeologists dig up previous great civilisations and try and piece together how they lived and why they collapsed?
In 2000 years, the next Howard Carter will be digging through the USA. Hopefully just the USA.
Maybe this is just another historical reset.
Hopefully said archaeologists will find a large orange man with a 9 iron around his neck.
Short of a motorcade through Dallas is there a process to get rid of him ?
Probably more likely in NY or San Francisco.
In another reversal of what should be acceptable norms...
Woman I know is taking part in a mass Anti Trump day of action today across every State , wonder what the turn out will be like and if it will get any coverage over here ?
They should have created two other branches to keep the executive in check.
Nah you dont need that. Remember we have the NRA willing to stand up against tyranny with their pimped up AR-15s.
Any minute now they will be leaping into action.
right?
ermmm ok maybe they are having a teabreak/waiting for some cash from Russia but they will soon.
Woman I know is taking part in a mass Anti Trump day of action today across every State , wonder what the turn out will be like and if it will get any coverage over here ?
I doubt it will get much coverage. We seem to be determined to brown nose and appease wait and see at all costs. Especially to our dignity.
If the protests are large and significant there won't be a conspiracy by the media in the US and the UK to ignore them.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/protests-against-trump-musk-planned-055013141.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/antitrump-protests-us-b2727985.html
https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-doge-protests-hands-off-472c574303260cbac315367cc808960d
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/05/anti-trump-protests-hands-off
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/05/us/politics/trump-protests-hands-off-saturday.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5232514-nationwide-protests-trump-administration/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/05/trump-protest-rallies-hands-off/82868543007/
