Lets be clear now, it isn't grown up politics to keep working with the US and Trump, it is capitulation and cowardice.
Take back Panama canal? That’s in Panama. Surely it is up to Panama to charge as they wish?
You missed that bit about "territorial expansion" then?
I was struggling to sum up the speech in a word and ended up with "Putinesque". I never said it had to be real word.
Lets be clear now, it isn’t grown up politics to keep working with the US and Trump, it is capitulation and cowardice.
If he starts on some of these proposed policies - and it is an "if" with him - then "normal" governments, for want of a better word, are going to have to have clear lines in the sand. Quite what NATO does if it needs to withdraw support for it's biggest backer, who knows. Quite what the UN does when it's host country goes rogue, who knows.
I'd love to laugh at the damage Trump could do to the US, but he'll drag us all down with him if he can. And like Putin, he knows plenty of countries will turn a blind eye to murder and genocide if it means cheap oil for a bit longer.
Blue Monday indeed.
I wish I hadn’t watched Channel4 News. Can someone remove the last 15 minutes from my brain please?
I quite liked it to be honest . maybe I see things different. ? I do agree with only two genders and did smile
All the vox pops about “the hammer” falling and the bleeping out of foul language used to describe the immigrants they want deporting. Off course, all his base aren’t so vocal, or share the same aims, but the ones that were shown sound very much like they’re hoping this an American Fascism on the way for them.
Simple language about gender is the gateway to all this by the way, be it the tactics of Putin, the AfD or Musk. Of course, you know which books the Nazis were burning at first as well? That was all about gender conformity. This is fascism, and it being popular and accepted by so many doesn’t change that… quite the opposite.
That speech is incredibly difficult to watch and listen to. The deliberately slow monotonous steady flow of... doublespeak?
Driving home listening to that speech has triggered an REM earworm
Jonathan Pie's take on it...
Musk off his mash on K
Probably. He definitely just did a nazi salute FFS.
"Did space Karen really do that"
Yup, and despite the claimed context I've no doubt he knew EXACTLY what he was doing... And that the clip would fly around the globe as soon as he did it.
He has such a boner for himself right now...
maybe I see things different
Nah. It seems you see things the same as quite a few people in the developed world.
That doesn't make it something to aspire to, though.
<Shrugs>
Is it coincidence the BBC1 are showing a programme about Auschwitz at 8.30?
I would strongly recommend people watch this - approaching the 80th anniversary of its liberation, survivors discussing their experiences. Talks about the initial removal of human rights and blaming Jews, through to the final solution and current disinformation and denial.
The people who need to see it and understand it probably won't though.
I haven't been watching the TV as mine is new and I'd like to keep it in one piece plus I literally can't listen to these people but my daughter texted me that Musk had done a Nazi salute on live TV. I assume this didn't happen and she's been fed some fake ai stuff yes?
Probably not, see about 6 or 7 posts above.
Hasn’t taken long…
I wonder if she went full peaky blinder and sewed some razor blades in just to be on the safe side.
I don’t know who to despise more. Trump and his deranged acolytes or Biden, Harris, Obama and the Clintons who sat there smiling and clapping whilst he trashed everything they supposedly stand for.
If they had any semblance of dignity or interest in normal people they wouldn’t have turned up, but instead they prioritised their loyalty to a corrupt establishment in the name of duty. They can all **** right off.
I'll do all I can in the next 4 years to not put any of my £££ into America. Whilst it's not bazillions, if everyone chose to not buy American, it would at least do a bit...
- European or Asian bikes (fhuck to SRAM, Fox, Specialized, Trek, etc)
- no Apple products (I was on that wagon years ago - Samsung for me)
- European, Japanese or S Korean car car next
- European holidays.
- glad I just bought a Japanese guitar
Etc etc
Elon musk gives nazi style salute, Trump rescinds the few sanctions on West Bank settlers and right now they are burning Palestinian houses and businesses, whilst the settlers are dragging the Palestinians out and beating them, and the IDF have been given the green light to go in en masse to the West Bank.
**** trump, I hope his karma catches up him, preferably at 2600ft/sec
s it coincidence the BBC1 are showing a programme about Auschwitz at 8.30?
I would strongly recommend people watch this – approaching the 80th anniversary of its liberation, survivors discussing their experiences. Talks about the initial removal of human rights and blaming Jews, through to the final solution and current disinformation and denial.
The people who need to see it and understand it probably won’t though.
And we have learned nothing. It is being repeated again in the modern era. Only it's the Jews doing a reversal.
Whilst it’s not bazillions, if everyone chose to not buy American, it would at least do a bit…
Been on my boycott list for decades. I do have some ritchey kit on my shand but otherwise i have done what i can
I know its not always easy but please try to separate Jews from Zionists
I’ll do all I can in the next 4 years to not put any of my £££ into America. Whilst it’s not bazillions, if everyone chose to not buy American, it would at least do a bit…
The USA is a fantastic country to visit. Nothing will get in the way of that for me. Landscape is amazing. There are plenty of people in America that don't act all Trumpion and many if they do - are victims are lack of hope, hoovered up by Trump.
You can get lost in the USA too. Not so the grey UK.
I love Europe too but it has its fair share of political doom.
I'm finding the relationship between Musk's needs within Tesla and Trump's antihclimate ignorance an interesting set of contradictions.
Same as those crypto right-wingers that hate big government controlling money and at the same time want the government to use bitcoin as a reserve currency.
It's all self-interest as much as pure politics at the end of the day.
Did you quite like his cabinet member’s Nazi salute? How did you see that – it was certainly ‘different’?
TBH it did look a twist on an old favourite.
I wonder if they’ll get the designers in and do a new range of natty uniforms and fetching riding boots.
I quite liked it to be honest . maybe I see things different. ? I do agree with only two genders and did smile
I'm guessing this poem will be lost on you then...
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Holocaust Memorial Day Trust | First They Came – by Pastor Martin Niemöller
I’m finding the relationship between Musk’s needs within Tesla and Trump’s antihclimate ignorance an interesting set of contradictions.
Same as those crypto right-wingers that hate big government controlling money and at the same time want the government to use bitcoin as a reserve currency.
And presumably pardonning Capitol Hill rioters who attacked Police officers doing their duty.
It's all very ****ed up
I know its not always easy but please try to separate Jews from Zionists
Well the IDF doesn't even try to separate combatants and non-combatants and they're firing actual bullets and bombs, not just 'hurty words'.
So, whilst I agree with you in principle, it's not something I'm going to get all hot under the collar about.
Oh and he’s freeing all the capitol rioters, inc the Proud Boys
That’s a bad thing, as it means he going to keep playing the election was stolen card.
Fair enough fenderextender
By saying jew its easier to accuse folk of antisemitism. Zionist or Israeli helps negate the accuation and deflection.
Not all jews support zionist colonialism
Trump rescinds the few sanctions on West Bank settlers and right now they are burning Palestinian houses and businesses, whilst the settlers are dragging the Palestinians out and beating them, and the IDF have been given the green light to go in en masse to the West Bank.
It would be nice to hear from all the folk here and around the world who insisted Israel were only doing what they were because Biden was enabling them, and that Trump would put a stop to it.
Well its about a 1% increase of the support to Israel that they have had from Biden and Starmer, so just complaining now because it is Trump is predictably hypocritical. There are plenty more on here who have obfuscated, excused and even supported the genocidal actions of Israel than have claimed that Trump would halt it.
In fact I think Bidens peace deal will play right into their hands, as Israel will claim that hammas broke the peace deal when a child throws a stone and the IDF will slaughter 10 of thousands more just like they have been doing for decades.
I'm in no mind to drag this thread down to the sorry depths of the Gaza one, but you can't just say people here have supported genocide and not be called on to back up that extraordinary claim with a link.
Take it go the Gaza thread please.
Well the IDF doesn’t even try to separate combatants and non-combatants and they’re firing actual bullets and bombs, not just ‘hurty words’.
So, whilst I agree with you in principle, it’s not something I’m going to get all hot under the collar about.
'They're all the same'
Close enough?
Sounds like you're part of the problem tbh.
Usual trolling. Why do we allow people in to shit stir under the guise of 'balance' or 'fairness'? Or is the provocation worth it for the sake of a few clicks?
As per report. ****ing sick of the same people allowed on here to just shit post like it's /b/. Poster was probably one of the ones I was listening to shouting about stopping the boats, ****s, ****s and cleaning up Britain the other night on Cs. Don't like what I wrote? That's what they would be saying if it wasn't an Insta-ban. This shit is real, you can either pretend it doesn't exist or that ****s deserve a right to express their opinions on here but if you do I won't. All you're doing is giving them a platform and letting them normalise it.
Think on.
