Trumps says that the current protests are "unfair".
Wah! Wah! Wah! It no fair! Etc
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"they probably just want to express their angry dismay that the country just voted a racist espousing woman groping egomaniac as leader of their country."
Yeah, but the alternative candidate has carried out Extra-Judicial Assassinations, of brown people.
Yeah, but the alternative candidate has carried out Extra-Judicial Assassinations, of brown people.
Well in that case clearly Trump is none of the things I said and my explanation false.
Is this ninfans new log in ?
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Yes of course voting Trump was two fingers up at the establishment..like he's not part of it.. 🙄
@slowster interesting post and the Regan point is a very good one, widely regarded in the US as the best American President for a long time. @tj many outside the US tried to cast him and Thatcher as about to start WW3 somewhat would ironic if true. When Obama came to power I was so optimistic, the first black Presidemt and a progressive democrat. He leaves with race relations at an all time low and has been terrible in terms of foreign policy especially in Iraq amdwith Iran, he has had some domestic success and by avoding the mob calls to crush the banks made a profit on the bailout and has seen the economy recover.
@dazh agreed, like I say people want to buy bike parts from the internet at the lowest possible price never mind the cost to the local economy when the bike shop closes. A small owner run business paying taxes and giving work experiemce to kids and trainee mechanics vs box shifting mail order with zero-hoir contracts and revenue booked offshore.
@out I don't think an example exists of bringing manufacturing back on a large scale. We have seen Europe protect their market share via tariffs and both China and Germany have a deliberately undervalued currency
American cars ? All BMW X5's are made in the US and the Honda I had there was built in Ohio. Americans like a certain type of (larger) car and they are cheap as is petrol.
Lets see what Trump can do with Apple, Google etc. By my calc Apple alone has avoided $100bn in US taxes. It does seem very bizarre to me that a country with such low personal taxes has such high rates of corporate tax.
Yeah, but the alternative candidate has carried out Extra-Judicial Assassinations, of brown people.
erm so has obama and cameron, your point?
they probably just want to express their angry dismay that the country just voted a racist espousing woman groping egomaniac as leader of their country.
When democracy doesn't work, people take to the streets. Some will say in this case that democracy has worked, because it's resulted in an outsider rising to power, but the US system is designed to prevent this, and now we see why.
If nothing else it shows trump and his supporters that everyone who rejects racism, mysogyny, casual violence and wilful ignorance will not lie down and be trampled over. Grassroots movements like this hardly ever result in direct change, but they influence future events and policy and drag the pendulum back the other way.
"clearly Trump is none of the things I said and my explanation false."
Probably.
He leaves with race relations at an all time low and has been terrible in terms of foreign policy especially
just imagine what Trump can manage!
Lets see what Trump can do with Apple, Google etc. By my calc Apple alone has avoided $100bn in US taxes. It does seem very bizarre to me that a country with such low personal taxes has such high rates of corporate tax.
Chump: Hey Apple, we think that you're not paying enough tax. Could you hand over your accounts, please?
Apple: No probs, you go first.
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"so has obama and cameron"
Agree. I have no idea why Hillary's got tarred with all the fallout from the stuff America has done while people equally/more involved got out of it blameless.
Because she is a woman?
when did you just do thisProbably
WHY?
its a bit pointless to snipe childishly form the sidelines
My explanation is sound,
your argument, such that is, is poor.
your trolling is average,
My interest is waning,
My poetry is crap
Like your posts
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Trump is talking about growing the economy not creating jobs now.
It may be semantics but watch out poor people you might be about to get Reaganed*.
*well thought of by [i]some[/i] Americans - but definitely not all.
"@out I don't think an example exists of bringing manufacturing back on a large scale. We have seen Europe protect their market share via tariffs and both China and Germany have a deliberately undervalued currency"
I'm inclined to agree, I think Trump's economic plan won't even start. It's Corbynomics, debunked in the 70's.
Have we discussed Ben Carson yet? Oh dear that would be a travesty.
Its basic keynesianism* and it has nothing to do with Corbyn.
It was never debunked though supporting/investing in your people /country/ economy to stimulate it has fallen out of favour and been replaced by neo liberal openness and supply side reform - which tends to mean less rights for workers and fewer "traditional" jobs as we lurch to a supply side economy- in the west as we cannot compete with cheap goods from other countries.
* its well accepted that business must speculate [ or invest] in order to accumulate but for some reason a country MUST not do this and just leave it to the "market".
Ben Carson:
He was the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Maryland from 1984 until his retirement in 2013. As a pioneer in neurosurgery, Carson's achievements include performing the first and only successful separation of Siamese twins joined at the back of the head, pioneering the first successful neurosurgical procedure on a fetus inside the womb, performing the first completely successful separation of type-2 vertical craniopagus twins, developing new methods to treat brain-stem tumors and reviving hemispherectomy techniques for controlling seizures.[3][4][5][6][7] Carson became the youngest chief of pediatric neurosurgery in the country at age 33.[8] He has received more than 60 honorary doctorate degrees, dozens of national merit citations, and written over 100 neurosurgical publications.[9] In 2008, he was bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States.[10]
Ben Carson?
Well, rejecting climate change, believing in creationism & comparing Obamacare to slavery make it difficult to listen to what else he has to say.....but, I'm all ears..?
It was never debunked though supporting/investing in your people /country/ economy to stimulate it has fallen out of favour and been replaced by neo liberal openness and supply side reform - which tends to mean less rights for workers and fewer "traditional" jobs as we lurch to a supply side economy- in the west as we cannot compete with cheap goods from other countries.
* its well accepted that business must speculate [ or invest] in order to accumulate but for some reason a country MUST not do this and just leave it to the "market".
Great, in which it'll work and Trump will make America Great again and Trump's economic policy can be a blueprint for the rest on the world.
It's Corbynomics, debunked in the 70's.
If the Trump presidency, and brexit have shown one thing, it's that the economic system which has been debunked is neo-liberalism. Globalisation is dead and we're back on a path to beggar-thy-neighbour protectionism. You might want to do some research into what resulted from protectionist policies in the 20th century. It didn't end very well.
Straw man is strawyGreat, in which it'll work and Trump will make America Great again and Trump's economic policy can be a blueprint for the rest on the world.
I doubt you are this stupid and i wonder why you put in the effort to come across as such
It's Corbynomics, debunked in the 70's.
So what, try something once, doesn't work, abandon the whole idea completely forever? Never heard of refining an good idea until it works? But, you'll say, it's not a good idea. So why don't you just come out and say that you don't like it for personal reasons, rather than trying to justify your position?
Neoliberalism isn't exactly working, is it? Can we call it debunked yet?
Trump is talking about growing the economy not creating jobs now.
Apparently his Muslim ban pledge has mysteriously disappeared from his campaign website too.
"the economic system which has been debunked is neo-liberalism"
Reality has a liberal bias.
Maybe Trump's got it right. I doubt it. We'll see.
Neoliberalism isn't exactly working, is it? Can we call it debunked yet?
If Trump & Corbyn have got all this right then yes.
Personally I find it hard to believe that a couple of oddballs have spotted something the entire world missed. We will certainly see, now.
EDIT: I removed a line where I said they were both using economic policy to court votes.
Trump is certainly guilty of telling people what they want to hear. Corbyn on the other hand says it out of principle.
You can say what you like about Corbyn's ability to lead a party and win an election, but you can't accuse him of an unprincipled power grab.
Trump is certainly guilty of telling people what they want to hear. Corbyn on the other hand says it out of principle.
Quite right, removed that line.
Muslim comments are back on.
How much is the wealth and army worth to the US economy?
Fighting wars all over the world must be profitable for them so he might get some opposition if he tries to scale it down.
If Trump's got all this right then yes.
Eh? Trump is the living embodiment of Neo-liberalism.
Personally I find it hard to believe that a couple of oddballs have spotted something the entire world missed.
You think this is a niche idea? I'd say across the western world, the supporters of neo-liberalism are in a shrinking minority. It may not seem like it as in the most part the neo-liberal establishment still has it's hands on power and they're fighting a desperate rearguard action against the growing opposition to it. Trump and brexit may well be self-defeating reactions to neo-liberalism, but they prove that people are no longer going to accept the status quo.
[quote=outofbreath ]Ben Carson:
He was the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Maryland from 1984 until his retirement in 2013. As a pioneer in neurosurgery, Carson's achievements include performing the first and only successful separation of Siamese twins joined at the back of the head, pioneering the first successful neurosurgical procedure on a fetus inside the womb, performing the first completely successful separation of type-2 vertical craniopagus twins, developing new methods to treat brain-stem tumors and reviving hemispherectomy techniques for controlling seizures.[3][4][5][6][7] Carson became the youngest chief of pediatric neurosurgery in the country at age 33.[8] He has received more than 60 honorary doctorate degrees, dozens of national merit citations, and written over 100 neurosurgical publications.[9] In 2008, he was bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States.[10]
*Godwin's Law Alert*
Hitler was a vegetarian painter. The big lefty!
Carson's crackers. He could be the most skilled surgeon of all time. He'd still think the earth is 10,000 years old.
Eh? Trump is the living embodiment of Neo-liberalism.
but to win over the disgruntled ex-democrats he used a mixture of far right blame the foreigners rhetoric + less rightwing protectionism + left wing? state infrastructure spending to boost jobs
a kind of national socialism?
Trump is certainly guilty of telling people what they want to hear.
It's funny that though, because much of what he said on the campaign trail he was saying decades ago:
Hitler was a vegetarian painter.
Pretty sure that is a myth. Show me one single vegetarian that he painted.
but to win over the disgruntled ex-democrats he used a mixture of far right blame the foreigners rhetoric + less rightwing protectionism + left wing? state infrastructure spending to boost jobs
a kind of national socialism?
Exactly: He told them exactly what they wanted to hear. However, voting for a neo-liberalist to combat neo-liberalism is like asking the proverbial fox to guard the hen house.
a kind of national socialism
exactly. I also hear Trump is writing a book called "My Fight", watch out for that
And so it begins.
Show me one single vegetarian that he painted.
himself, on the wall of a bunker?
[i]Trump is certainly guilty of telling people what they want to hear.[/i]
It's funny that though, because much of what he said on the campaign trail he was saying decades ago:
Interesting....those old interviews show that he is consistent. Despite the fact that he is a vindictive bully and probably all round nasty individual, I do have a sort of admiration for whats he's just done! 😕
that huffington post report is horrible
just as with brexit, saturating the media with fear and hate of 'others' to win a vote has terrible consequences
just as with Brexit again, those same politicians and campaigners offer no solutions to put that genie back in
Yvette Cooper on Qtime last night:
People judged Clinton on her hair. Nobody judged Trump on his hair.
😆 She really wasn't paying attention.
Im not sure it swung the vote, just part of a larger campaign, shes a demon after all....
another link to a press article on the subject, but I think this one has been put together with an attempt at a higher level understanding than the ranty stuff that is flying around at the moment.
