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captainsasquatch - Member

All 100% innocence.

Yet even he has admitted grabbing pussy. Even you can't deny that.

akira - Member
Are you staying that all the allegations and testimonies against him are false, because there have been a lot of them. I guess if we conservatively say half of it is unfounded then he still doesn't look good.

Are you trying to compete with the fake news? i.e. get a line of fake news in first.

Maybe I should try Trumps attitude of guilty after proven innocent like with the central park five?

I consider Mike Pence to be a deeply dangerous man who is considerably less trustworthy than Trump.

Where is your evidence? When did he admit that?

He was only watching hookers piss on each other in a Russian hotel room. We've all done that! 😳

The problem for trump is that his pussy grab comments show that he has little respect for women, that's why these allegations have gained so much traction.

It's something he will always be vulnerable on, it wouldn't matter if he didn't have the emotional maturity of a 5 year old, but we saw in his press conference that he

'wants his cartoons and hes [b]not[/b] going to go to bed' 😉

Drinking the kool aid? Think you bought the company and dress up as the mascot chewkw.

Very melodramatic stuff, still I guess that's the intention. "America becomes Russia's puppet" ffs.

I trust Trump less than I trust Putin. Therefore I would be rather pleased if I saw evidence that Putin had some sort of influence over Trump. I fear however that this is unlikely to be the case.

Having said that however, it does appear that US policy will now change to one which is not constantly antagonising and threatening Russia.

Hopefully too Russia will be able to fight terrorism without interference à la Hilary Clinton.

So for those reasons Putin influence over Trump isn't necessary

BTW I consider Mike Pence to be a deeply dangerous man who is considerably less trustworthy than Trump. I certainly hope the Russians have something on him.

A most excellent and funny post.

It was meant to be funny right?

Haha yes of course 🙄

Can people stop with the pretending to misunderstand posts, just to score internet points. If you don't agree with a post just say so.

Hopefully we're all adults, [s]and can avoid a pissing match[/s] and just debate properly.

Our emoticon spewing friend aside, naturally.

I was listening in the car to R4, and not only could I not believe him I couldn't believe the R4 was actually continuing to transmit him speaking.

He also speaks a strange variety of English, a bit like how the US military seem to speak English, but then you listen to it and it doesn't make sense...

Ah you thought this was pointless Jamie but it's like forum crack, very moreish.

Trump is an idiot, no two ways about it.

Putin ordered a school full of hostages to be flattened and then destroyed evidence of it. He is a disgusting human. This is one example there are many others

No comparison.

Whether Russia has anything on Trump is irrelevant. I think what we're seeing is the first stage of a concerted effort by Trump's enemies to discredit and eventually unseat him. What's even more interesting is that it appears to be the republicans and their friends in the intelligence services who are leading it. What's going to happen when the democrats wade in?

My own opinion is that he probably has been compromised somehow by the Russians. Whether that's good or bad I have no idea. It's certainly going to be entertaining though if every public appearance ends up like today.

Haha yes of course

Excellent.

My own opinion is that he probably has been compromised somehow by the Russians.

It needs to be in his business dealings and preferably involve illegal activity, which isn't a far fetched scenario in the case of Trump imo.

Not some video which probably doesn't exist and even if it did so few people would know about it that the possibility of a leak (fnarr fnarr) are almost none existent.

Russian security agencies are good, they are unlikely imo to let explosive material leak unintentionally.

Putin must be sat back laughing his tits off. He's running rings around everyone, and pretty much dictating the whole international news agenda.

Shall we talk about Syria? The Ukraine? Industrial scale Corruption? Human rights abuses and the killing of journalists? Nah, **** that... have you heard there's meant to be a video doing the rounds of Trump with some hookers? Yeah, apparently he's blaming his own intelligence agency of leaking it....

No wonder he pulled out the stops to get this clown in power

Putin must be sat back laughing his tits off. He's running rings around everyone, and pretty much dictating the whole international news agenda.

I think his strategy is not to have a strategy, and just sit and watch others fail.

I'm sure that's where Jeremy Hunt got his idea from for crippling the NHS.

Ultimate dead cat innit

I wonder what video Putin has hanging over Farage.....

(nsfw)

It's not just golden showers in the dossier

Here are nine of the most explosive claims from the memo that have nothing to do with prostitutes in Moscow. According to the former British spy:

1. Trump’s team allegedly traded intelligence about the activities of Russian oligarchs living in the U.S. in exchange for hacked data that was then dumped online by WikiLeaks. The stolen data came from moles in the Democratic National Committee and Russian hackers, who were allegedly paid by the Kremlin and Trump associates. The company XBT/Webzilla allegedly used botnets and pornography websites to “transmit viruses, plant bugs, steal data and conduct ‘altering operations’ against Democratic Party leadership.”

2. Trump happily allowed the media to cultivate Russia as a “bogeyman” to draw attention away from his “substantial” business dealings in China and other developing countries, which allegedly involved “payment of large bribes and kickbacks.”

3. Carter Page, a Trump advisor who left the campaign in September over his ties to Russia, allegedly met secretly over the summer with Kremlin officials — who threatened to blackmail the Republican candidate — to discuss cooperation on oil exploration and the possibility of lifting U.S. sanctions. “Russians apparently have promised not to use ‘kompromat’ they hold on Trump as leverage, given high levels of voluntary co-operation coming from his team,” the former British spy wrote.

4. The Kremlin indirectly paid for Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate for president, to visit Moscow in December 2015 as part of an effort to split Democratic voters to weaken Hillary Clinton whether or not she won the election.

5. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, secretly met with Kremlin officials in Prague during August to “clean up the mess” over former campaign chair Paul Manafort’s ties to the pro-Russia regime in Ukraine. While there, Cohen helped set up plans to pay off hackers and others involved in the operation and quickly move them underground in case Clinton won. Cohen has denied the claims, saying his passport shows he was not in Prague and was instead in California visiting a college with his son. The Kremlin, according to the report, believed Cohen was crucial to their covert operation because his wife was of Russian descent and her father is a leading property developer in Moscow. Cohen says his wife is Ukrainian, and he doesn’t believe his father-in-law had ever traveled to Russia.

6. Viktor Yanukovych, the exiled former Ukraine president removed from power over his ties to Russia, allegedly told Putin in August that he’d authorized “substantial kick-back payments” to Manafort but was confident no paper trail had been left behind.

7. Putin fired his chief of staff, who argued there was little risk in interfering in the U.S., as part of a power struggle within the Kremlin after the operation was exposed, and also recalled from Washington a diplomat allegedly involved in transferring intelligence between the Kremlin and Trump. He threatened to fire other senior officials because he was angry the WikiLeaks dumps had not hurt Clinton as much as they’d promised.

8. Interference in the U.S. election was directed first by the foreign ministry, then moved to the Foreign Security Service and finally to the presidential administration. Putin backed Trump as “a divisive, anti-establishment candidate who would shake up current international status quo in Russia’s favor.” The Kremlin also believed Trump would disrupt and weaken the U.S.political system.

9. Trump allegedly participated in “sex parties” in St. Petersburg while trying to set up real estate ventures, but all the direct witnesses had been “silenced” through bribes or “coerced to disappear.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/beyond-golden-showers-here-are-9-explosive-claims-from-intel-memo-on-trump-russia-collusion/

Those people opposing President-Elect Trump really don't get it do they. People really don't care about his past cos they will judge him in office not before. 😆

Anyone with some minor common sense leadership quality that claims pig can fly could easily won the Presidential election. If you look closely at all the candidates for the Presidential election not even a single one has the look of a leader apart from Trump. All others would just be a major disaster and probably create more hardship globally.

Give the people livelihood and the President-Elect can claim to be whatever he wants with people agreeing wholeheartedly.

Give people the hardship and even if you are god sent noble prize winner you are nothing but vanity. Good speeches, personality etc do not assure people livelihood.

If you look closely at all the candidates for the Presidential election not even a single one has the look of a leader apart from Trump.

😯 For realz?

My 4 year old son has better leadership qualities, mostly because he doesn't throw as many tantrums - like the one we saw in this first press conference since Putin won him that election

Give the people livelihood and the President-Elect can claim to be whatever he wants with people agreeing wholeheartedly.

Give people the hardship and even if you are god sent noble prize winner you are nothing but vanity. Good speeches, personality etc do not assure people livelihood.

I was brought up by my parents to treat others as i myself would like to be treated.

Frankly it's funny to watch Trump get a dose of his own medicine, after he's been treating pretty much everyone he meets like s**t.......

chewkw, simple question. Are you Russian?

everything was so beautiful i thought he was on acid! 😕

What,from Borneo ?

The ex MI-6 agent who compiled the dossier has gone into hiding fearing Russian reprisals.
Definitely check for polonium in his sushi

.....beyond the claims of sex videos and alleged proposed Russian business deals, there's a potentially treasonous claim in the documents.

One of the opposition research documents notes an unidentified Russian source that the hack of the Democratic National Committee happened "with t[i]he full knowledge and support of TRUMP and senior member of his campaign team[/i]." The memo said that, in exchange, the Trump campaign "agreed to [b]sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue."[/b]

 

Sorry,chewkw claims to be from Borneo,but his grasp of vernacular english is suspiciously good,he's one of those trolls who will post anything to get a reaction,and it's working,let's not feed him anymore.

You know he's not from Borneo right. English is good but isn't perfect though...

kimbers - Member
For realz?

My 4 year old son has better leadership qualities, mostly because he doesn't throw as many tantrums - like the one we saw in this first press conference since Putin won him that election

O c'mon ... 😮

mikewsmith - Member
... hopefully they don't get their computer reprocessed before they get to see Trump's sex tape

maxtorque - Member
I was brought up by my parents to treat others as i myself would like to be treated.

Frankly it's funny to watch Trump get a dose of his own medicine, after he's been treating pretty much everyone he meets like s**t.......

fourbanger - Member
chewkw, simple question. Are you Russian?

thejesmonddingo - Member
What,from Borneo ?

kimbers - Member
The ex MI-6 agent who compiled the dossier has gone into hiding fearing Russian reprisals.
Definitely check for polonium in his sushi

Whats that chewy?

Former agent have IQ and EQ so low, he / she make laughing stock of the entire agency. Just can not keep mouth shut and you wondering how to get leaked ... others do not even need steal information coz they passed everything on plates agent with low IQ and EQ

IMHO Chewkw is Fred.

fourbanger - Member
Whats that chewy?

mrlebowski - Member
IMHO Chewkw is Fred.

The ex MI-6 agent who compiled the dossier has gone into hiding

I've got his phone number.

The source (Brit ex-MI5 allegedly) for this dossier was working for the Democrats. I have to say this all has the whiff of total fabrication.

Not taking a question from CNN was no surprise goven their stance over the campaign and role in the dossier story. Whatever some of the press are saying not holding press conferences and cutting out certain outlets will hurt them very badly.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

The ex MI-6 agent who compiled the dossier has gone into hiding

I've got his phone number.

He hasn't the wit to be Fred/Elfin,he used to amuse me,chewkw is like an annoying fly,buzzing round the forum,bringing his own form of pollution.

Cfh

Text him pictures of angry Putin 😉

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Chewkw, he's an ex agent. The international stationery world has lots of them. 🙂

Kimbers, can't say I'll be doing that now! Would be funny when this has all blown over, though! 🙂

jambalaya - Member
The source (Brit ex-MI5 allegedly) for this dossier was working for the Democrats. I have to say this all has the whiff of total fabrication.

Not taking a question from CNN was no surprise goven their stance over the campaign and role in the dossier story. Whatever some of the press are saying not holding press conferences and cutting out certain outlets will hurt them very badly.

That's not a surprise at all considering the far reaching tentacles of the previous administration all over the globe.

Not taking a question from CNN was no surprise goven their stance over the campaign and role in the dossier story. Whatever some of the press are saying not holding press conferences and cutting out certain outlets will hurt them very badly.

jambalaya - Member
The source (Brit ex-MI5 allegedly) for this dossier was working for the Democrats. I have to say this all has the whiff of total fabrication.

You missed out that the first part of his dossier he compiled while in the employ of the republicans and that it was passed to the CIA by John mccain.
That's not to say that plenty of trumps enemies within the Dems & the GOP aren't enjoying this I'm sure. Clinton and Romney probably texting each other happy emojis

True or not as you have repeatedly pointed out in the referendum Vote Leave repeating a lie kept the focus on a weakness, in this case trumps terrible attitude toward women and stupid comments he made supporting Putin and encouraging him to hack Hillary.

His tantrum with the CNN reporter demonstrated how easy it is to push his buttons.
Wonderful fodder for psyops in the employ of foreign powers

thejesmonddingo - Member
He hasn't the wit to be Fred/Elfin,he used to amuse me,chewkw is like an annoying fly,buzzing round the forum,bringing his own form of pollution.

CaptainFlashheart - Member
Chewkw, he's an ex agent. The international stationery world has lots of them.

And another source saying the same thing

And the former MI6 agent is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect. Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".
Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38589427

Probably want to earn some side income selling "classified" information ... good nice little earner that.

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I'm beginning to think my original post is bearing fruit.

HUGE comedy value.

Innit?

Publish and [s] be damned[/s] amuse us greatly.

I stopped reading Chekw posts ages ago, frankly I'm amazed anyone actual does 😉

Singletrackworld Personal Blacklist ftw

I love our chewk.
Especially when other people's toy's head skyward.

I have no idea who he is, but it would be a terrible disappointment if he does turn out to be a trolling IT manager from Peterborough.

I've flirted with the idea of blocking two of our extremely unpleasant right wing brethren, but if you can't cope with a couple of weirdos on the internet, real life is going to be a bit of a challenge, isn't it?

So after claiming that the big pile of paperwork keep had at the press conference was paperwork showing he had signed his business over to his sons it turns out it was all blank paper. Does this mean he hasnt signed over his company?

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38591754 ]US Office of Government Ethics are not impressed[/url]

Oh,stop changing the subject 😆

Well this is an interesting perspective on the story

[url= http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/rita-panahi-whining-media-playing-straight-into-donald-trumps-hands/news-story/df3f7d409be39ccc484c56894896a39f ]Whining media playing straight into Donald Trump’s hands[/url]

I had no idea that "multiple media outlets have had the infamous dossier for months" and if true it's a significant revelation imo.

What is certainly true is that people, particularly his opponents, have absolutely no idea how to deal with Trump, that's been proved over and over again.

One of the problems is that people believe what they want to believe, despite strong evidence to suggest the error of that - everything is so much easier and less complicated when we believe what we want to believe. And there's plenty of examples of that on this thread.

Trump, a man who has openly and publicly spouted racist, sexist, bigoted drivel, will be the next US president in a few days time, some people need to think how this has actually come about.

And no, simply concluding that the American people have suddenly, and quite inexplicitly, become "stupid" won't do. Trump would not have stood a chance 10 years ago - why? Racist sexist bigoted politicians have always being around in the United States, just like elsewhere.

It's a fact that many who voted for Trump have expressed the opinion that, bizarre as it might seem, they have absolutely no idea whether he will make a good US President and do what's best for them.

So why take such a big risk with someone in which they have so little faith in? Because he's "different", and he's certainly that, so they thought they would give him a chance - even though they openly admit to not having a clue what he will be like.

So now the next question - why is being "different" so important? It all sounds very desperate. The answer is clearly because ordinary people feel so let down by previous US Presidents. And this is the bit that the disconnected soft "left", if you can call it left, don't like and won't admit, the Obama presidency was not a successful one, if it had been Hilary Clinton would have won.

[quote=mrlebowski ]IMHO Chewkw is Fred.

100%

Rusty Spanner - Member

I love our chewk.
Especially when other people's toy's head skyward.

I used to think like that. The sight of Chewwy wading into a thread in which a serious and interesting debate was occurring and trashing it by spouting a load of gibbering nonsense used to amuse me greatly. Now I just find it tedious. The joke's been well and truly worn out imo.

I've flirted with the idea of blocking two of our extremely unpleasant right wing brethren, but if you can't cope with a couple of weirdos on the internet, real life is going to be a bit of a challenge, isn't it?

Yes, a right wing nutter blocker would be useful to take care of 3 people.
Do you need member access to block as I can't see how to do it?

There's a couple of right-wingers on here who so obviously damage the Tory cause that I absolutely welcome their contributions.

One doesn't even bother trying to win people over preferring instead to taunt and ridicule.

yes,a right wing nutter blocker would be useful to take care of 3 people.

Read that one back and think about it for a bit.

 

ernie I assume your last sentence should have read "not been Hillary" - otherwise I agree. Obama promised much, I celebrated on election night in Rockerfeller Plaza in NY at the historic event taking place that night. 8 years later he's been a dud. A good speaker and a "superstar", conducted himself with great grace and not a single scandal. Americas first multi racial President. His wife is the Democrats best chance for 2020 or 24. That's his legacy.

Alternative viewpoints (posted this on EU thread but relevant here). Obama's whole speech is on Sky News YouTube channel

Chewkw has a very different posting style and set of opinions to Fred. The latter exposed himself q easily when challenged. Chewkw in contrast appears to be far more thick-skinned and impervious to his detractors comments.

Trump, a man who has openly and publicly spouted racist, sexist, bigoted drivel, will be the next US president in a few days time, some people need to think how this has actually come about.

And no, simply concluding that the American people have suddenly, and quite inexplicitly, become "stupid" won't do. Trump would not have stood a chance 10 years ago - why? Racist sexist bigoted politicians have always being around in the United States, just like elsewhere.

It's a fact that many who voted for Trump have expressed the opinion that, bizarre as it might seem, they have absolutely no idea whether he will make a good US President and do what's best for them.

So why take such a big risk with someone in which they have so little faith in? Because he's "different", and he's certainly that, so they thought they would give him a chance - even though they openly admit to not having a clue what he will be like.

Occams razor says different.

Trump got a little bit under the usual Republican vote, there was no enthusiasm for Trump at all.

All that happened was the Democrat vote dropped dramatically.

There is no "Trump movement" there's just a load of people voting on party lines.

If you don't accept that you have to explain how Trump has somehow changed politics, but after all the swapping around ended up with around the number of votes republican candidates usually get.

ernie I assume your last sentence should have read "not been Hillary" - otherwise I agree.

I don't know what you mean, apart from not putting a double L in Hillary it reads correctly to me, ie, if the Obama presidency had been a successful one Hillary Clinton would have won.

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Chewkw in contrast appears to be far more thick-skinned and impervious to his detractors comments.

Chewwy is a desperate attention-seeker, he would much rather be insulted than ignored. If you really want to upset Chewwy then just ignore him.

Trump got a little bit under the usual Republican vote, there was no enthusiasm for Trump at all.

Trump became the Republican presidential nominee beating all the other contenders, in a few days time he will be the next US President. If you think he lacks significant support then that's up to you.

As I said above, people believe what they want to believe. That's how Trump has managed to wrong-foot so many people.

the Obama presidency was not a successful one, if it had been Hilary Clinton would have won.

I think the resentment over Obamacare in lower middle income families is what swung it for Trump.

there was also a lot of undersupport for hillary in black and latino communities

despite those seeing the biggest benefits from the ACA- doubled the number of black & latino with health cover (also led to a big surge in cancer diagnoses in these groups, so a great many people will benefit)

whatever trump replaces ACA with we can safely asume will be worst for the poorest, I expect many people will rue not voting to keep Trump out

Hillary Clinton's husband called Obamacare "the craziest thing in the world", so it wasn't just lower middle income people who had a poor opinion of it.

EDIT : Bill Clinton made that comment during the presidential campaign btw - a great shot in the arm for his wife!

Hillary Clinton's husband called Obamacare "the craziest thing in the world", so it wasn't just lower middle income people who had a poor opinion of it.

but it was lower middle income families that were being fined $600 pp at the end of the tax year for not taking out medicare insurance. Wealthier people/those with better Jobs with benefits would have insurance (so no penalties and may well be republican anyway) and those on the lowest incomes got it for free

Yeah see my edit Klunk to see the point I was trying to make.

You closet pron viewers.

I have no idea who he is, but it would be a terrible disappointment if he does turn out to be a trolling IT manager from Peterborough.

Every cloud has a silver lining 😆

http://yournewswire.com/u2-strike-protest-trump/

Oh now I'm 50:50 whether it's all worth it. It would have been a humanitarian tragedy and brought about pain and suffering to millions.....But Trump as president will probably be worse.

Dont forget that Donald will singlehandedly re-invigorate the rustbelt. He's a magician dont you know.

fake news or fake allegations planted by the russians or all true?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author?CMP=fb_gu

the russians are saying its MI6 trying to upset US-Russia relations
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/819525677175242752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

bbc caption writer taking the piss assuming not fake news

fake news or fake allegations planted by the russians or all true?

As I understand it :

It would appear that Christopher Steele was originally commissioned by a Republican contender opposed to Trump (Jeb Bush?). Steele then used contacts which he had in Russia, rather than direct information gathered by himself in Russia.

Before the dossier could be completed Trump secured the nomination.

Steele was then requested by the Clinton camp to carry with his work, presumably the Democrats were tipped off by anti-Trump Republicans.

Steele eventually hands over the dossier but is so concerned with the serious nature of some of the allegations that he informs a former FBI colleague working in Rome.

Fearing a possible cover-up Steele flies to New York in October to give an interview to a journalist on "Mother Jones".

31st October Mother Jones breaks the story of the existence of the dossier without naming Christopher Steele :

[url= http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump ]A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump[/url]

Now, ie today, Mother Jones focuses on Christopher Steele's past reliability emphasising claims that [i]“He’s a meticulous professional, and there are no questions about his integrity”.[/i] However they conclude, and remember they have interviewed Steele at length, [i]"Most of the stuff in the dossier is nonetheless probably wrong. The question is, is any of it right?"[/i]

[url= http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/heres-bit-more-trump-russia-dossier ]Here's a Bit More on That Trump-Russia Dossier[/url]

You can take two things out of this, ie, that the allegations are probably untrue, and that Trump will benefit by portraying himself as the victim of Democrats, Republicans, otherwise known as politicians, and the hated media, as the article in my earlier link claimed. It will up his creditability as the anti-establishment man. It's unlikely to damage him.

The Mash is spot on as usual:

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/trump-eases-worlds-nerves-with-rambling-and-demented-speech-20170112120054 ]Trump eases world's nerves with rambling and demented speech[/url]

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/come-back-when-he-shags-a-dead-pig-say-jaded-brits-20170111120020 ]Come back when he shags a dead pig, says jaded Britain[/url]

😆

You can take two things out of this, ie, that the allegations are probably untrue,

and that Trump will benefit by portraying himself as the victim of Democrats, Republicans, otherwise known as politicians, and the hated media,

Id wager more people looked on at his remarkable tantrum yesterday and thought,
'hes guilty of something
I just dunno what'

His self confessed disrespect toward women means that these kind of allegations stick

which any russian spies that may have dispersed the stories would regard as a success

Ashcrofts smearing of Cameron was dismissed as bollox, but Daves now 2016's biggest loser...

(edit actually those Mash links sum it up better than me!)