outofbreath - MemberIn which case pointing out why they were wrong would be far more likely to change their mind than shouting racist idiot.
please show me someone shouting 'racist idiot' rather than engaging in debate here...
have you looked through the EU thread? or is this just through your own strange brexifilter that tells you how us remoaners behave
tbh Im not sure what point you are trying to prove here?
I'm trying to prove that reasoning with facts is better than shouting racist and *could* have swayed Brexit and the US election.
My specific question was asked because I've not seen any racism on STW so I strongly suspect what you've been pointing out isn't racism at all but "People who disagree with kimbers on topics that have nothing to do with race.". Your reluctance to provide an example makes me pretty certain that's the case.
your own strange brexifilter that tells you how us remoaners behave
LOL, in your mind anyone who says that making a sane case instead of shouting abuse *must* have voted Brexit! Priceless.
Another was a bloke who told me the UK would be leaving the ECHR after brexit. Utter bullshit - it's nothing to do with the EU.
In practical terms, leaving the EU need not mean anything much at all. We could - in theory - stay in the single market, have completely open borders, and join the Euro. In practice, the leave campaign was built around immigration and those pesky Europeans telling us what to do.
My specific question was asked because I've not seen any racism on STW so I strongly suspect what you've been pointing out isn't racism at all but "People who disagree with kimbers on topics that have nothing to do with race.". Your reluctance to provide an example makes me pretty certain that's the case.
in that case please point out where ive called someone racist then....
In practice, the leave campaign was built around immigration and those pesky Europeans telling us what to do.
That's another of my little bugbears - people telling me what the "other side" think.
in that case please point out where ive called someone racist then....
You said you'd been calling out racists. I have no idea if that's true or not, that's why I asked you to point it out.
You said you'd been calling out racists. I have no idea if that's true or not, that's why I asked you to point it out.
and i said that where?
it was you that claimed remoaners shout 'racist' all the time to shut down debate, and are unable to back that up with any evidence
as I said check the eu thread there are hundreds and hundreds of posts
That's another of my little bugbears - people telling me what the "other side" think.
That's another of my little bugbears - people responding to something I didn't say.
I didn't tell you what "the other side" think, I told you what the campaign said. Are you going to argue that the Leave campaign did not prominently feature immigration and sovereignty?
In practice, the leave campaign was built around immigration and those pesky Europeans telling us what to do.
Them and us.
Why is it that when folks make spurious claims clod hopper is quick to demand they explain themselves...
yet when someone asks him to justify comments he makes on here (ie about Clinton and Haiti, afganistan etc etc) he quickly moves on to the next subject and offers no explanation at all..
just saying...
outofbreath - MemberI'm trying to prove that reasoning with facts is better than shouting racist and *could* have swayed Brexit and the US election.
People tried, and funnily enough got shouted down by £350 MILLION! TAKE BACK CONTROL! EXPERTS ARE BAD! and CORRUPT HILARY! BAD! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
what if the facts are that they are a racist?I'm trying to prove that reasoning with facts is better than shouting racist and *could* have swayed Brexit and the US election.
Its odd even racists get upset when you call them a racist and trump is one and so are some but not all of his supporters
the same is true of Brexit plenty of folk voted due to "immigration" and to keep them out and some of them were just racists. Its also clear that UKIP and Jamby on here repeatedly played the race card- even to the annoyance of some Brexiters. Again not all of those who voted out will be racist- I doubt it is even close to a majority of them and it might not even be a sizeable minority but some are/were racist.
I am not sure how you wish to negate a bigot with facts as they tend to be beyond the realms of pleasant rational discourse IME.
Why is it that when folks make spurious claims clod hopper is quick to demand they explain themselves...yet when someone asks him to justify comments he makes on here (ie about Clinton and Haiti, afganistan etc etc) he quickly moves on to the next subject and offers no explanation at all..
That is not my general impression of how they operate on here but i have not been reading the thread so I cannot comment on specifics
1: A lorry is driven through a crowded promenade by a maniac, killing and injuring people.
2: A woman is sitting on a beach enjoying herself in the sun.
Yep. Unrelated.
Yeah, these incidents are completely separate. No way related. Nope. Absolutely stupid to imagine an increase in security and/or tensions in Nice mere days after a massive terror attack.
Actually it was a major appealing to the base elements in Nice (it's not all luxury down there) and looking to newspaper headlines. There was also a ban in Corsica where the ultimate result of the tacit discrimination against muslims ended up with riots and a large scale march on a housing estate where muslim families lived. Yes, the reason for the "burkini ban" was the year or so of terrorist attacks but it was hardly a rational response.
Speaking as an actual French person I'm horrified that national mourning was hijacked to score petty points against a group who, like most groups, are for the most part decent, normal people. The idiots who pass local bans against muslims in contravention of the law of the nation are extremists of a different ilk or at the very least political opportunists looking to garner support of extremists.
My only hope is that the moronic rhetoric (such as equating a burka ban on a beach with murdering almost 100 people) doesn't lead the whole country into voting for a far right extremist as that will take years to recover from as much as it will take the psyche of the country years to recover from the atrocities.
Racists. Racists everywhere.
Very true.
I would estimate at least 30% of people are racist in someway and even more are homophobic.
Be good to get a totally honest poll so we know where we are (and not have to second guess it via Trump, Brexit etc,.)
kerleyVery true.
I would estimate at least 30% of people are racist in someway and even more are homophobic.
Be good to get a totally honest poll so we know where we are (and not have to second guess it via Trump, Brexit etc,.)
That's why this forum needs avatars.
[url= http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr ]Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash[/url]
That is not my general impression of how they operate on here but i have not been reading the thread so I cannot comment on specifics
Thanks for that enlightening post Junky!
Thanks for the Like
Yup jimjam is bang on the money with another reason why.
Both sides (sometimes multi-faceted) are always looking for answers so they can better influence and manipulate outcomes in the future. Of course people are wise to this too!
At least some people have stopped pretending to be reasonable and nice 😆
Jimjam - I have no idea if you're racist, xenophobic, sectarian or biased against tall people as I've never met you - but some of the comments you make do have a certain tone.
much as it will take the psyche of the country years to recover from the atrocities.
I'd say it took a few weeks. The impact on tourism is measurable (reports on TF1) as bookings by Americans, Japanese and Chinese are down. But the French psyche hasn't much changed (unless the people I know are totally unrepresentative). We've just registered as a new risk to consider which is somewhat less than getting into a car and driving into town. The extra security around open-air concerts/festivals and such is accepted without trauma much like putting on a seat belt.
Why are those people protesting at the outcome of a democratic election?
chewkw - Member
Why are those people protesting at the outcome of a democratic election?
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They didn't like the result. Didn't you read the signs?
chewkw - MemberWhy are those people protesting at the outcome of a democratic election?
Dunno. Maybe they think it's weird that the person with the most votes was second and the runner up got a crushing majority?
Yes, I saw the signs but the result is official so what can they do? Immediate change?jam bo - Member
They didn't like the result. Didn't you read the signs?
You mean the most popular vote? What the crap is that most popular vote? Remember some of the previous contenders also lose out even when they were "most popular". "Most popular" <= 😯Northwind - Member
Dunno. Maybe they think it's weird that the person with the most votes was second and the runner up got a crushing majority?
so what can they do?
protest?
We have a similar form of democracy here. There was a referendum about it but we know how shit they are.
Why are those people protesting at the outcome of a democratic election?
Because they can.
the result is official so what can they do?
Maybe they aren't protesting at the fact he's President, maybe they are protesting to the people who voted for him. If he's got any sense he will listen to their protests and perhaps modify his behaviour.
Big if, mind.
Its odd even racists get upset when you call them a racist and trump is one and so are some but not all of his supporters
Can you tell me what makes Trump a racist?
Give you a clue here:
I) Muslim's aren't a race, it's a religion
ii) Mexicans aren't a race either, let alone illegal immigrant Mexicans rather than legally resident Mexicans
Democracy isn't the problem, its what he does with his role, not sure if this has been posted, but read this twitter feed https://twitter.com/ShaunKing, some pretty horrific things happening on the back of trump. Certainly makes me not want to visit the US anytime soon.
If he's got any sense he will listen to their protests and perhaps modify his behaviour.
Congress will modify his behaviour. He might be president, but they are the politicians.
some pretty horrific things happening on the back of trump.
Not too dissimilar to the behaviour of some here after the referendum.
On the electoral college:
"Alexander Hamilton thought the electors would make sure “the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications.”"
Hm. So the electoral college could be considered duty bound to block Trump.
Why are those people protesting at the outcome of a democratic election?
Just like brexit, Trump won the election by deliberately lying and misrepresenting the truth in order to get people to vote for him. Along with a fair amount of hatred, racism, misogyny and incitement to violence. If democracy can be so easily subverted then the only thing left to do is to hit the streets. If he doesn't moderate his language, actions and his policies and start acting like a president, then I think we'll be seeing much more of this and I hope we do.
Isn't that waste of time shouting at a building?jam bo - Member
so what can they do?
Protest?
... Because they can shout at a building?captainsasquatch - Member
Because they can.Why are those people protesting at the outcome of a democratic election?
Maybe they realised that they are shouting at the building on the street? Yes? People who voted for Trump have all gone home to celebrate, to have party, to cherish the moment etc so all these brainwashed snowflakes are shouting at the concrete building?molgrips - Member
the result is official so what can they do?
Maybe they aren't protesting at the fact he's President, maybe they are protesting to the people who voted for him.
Or better still these snowflakes learn to bow to their next President.If he's got any sense he will listen to their protests and perhaps modify his behaviour.Big if, mind.
Can you tell me what makes Trump a racist?Give you a clue here:
I) Muslim's aren't a race, it's a religion
ii) Mexicans aren't a race either
A legal definition? Defending a racist is not smart or clever, it puts you in the same cess pit.
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism ]
[/url]the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
You either already know this and are trying to show some higher level of intellect by forcing people to ask questions (that don't need asking), or you support the comments.
Which is it?
Or better still these snowflakes learn to bow to their next President.
Dream on snowflake.
Or better still these snowflakes learn to bow to their next President.
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Or better still these snowflakes learn to bow to their next President.
Do you actually know what you're talking about? 😆
Maybe they think it's weird that the person with the most votes was second and the runner up got a crushing majority?
The person with the most votes, and the crushing majority was Meh. Perhaps all those out in the streets might have done a little more before the election. I wonder how many of them voted Meh themselves.
The Merican people do not agree with you nor the snowflakes.dazh - Member
Just like brexit, Trump won the election by deliberately lying and misrepresenting the truth in order to get people to vote for him. Along with a fair amount of hatred, racism, misogyny and incitement to violence.Why are those people protesting at the outcome of a democratic election?
More shouting at building threats?If democracy can be so easily subverted then the only thing left to do is to hit the streets. If he doesn't moderate his language, actions and his policies and start acting like a president, then I think we'll be seeing much more of this and I hope we do.
Of course Trump is about to find out how little power the "most powerful man in the world" actual has.
As an aside, what are the odds on him being impeached before completing his term? Might be worth a flutter.
