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It's never a good idea to take an all-American hero on when you're on distinctly dodgy ground
Trump has mocked and insulted american heros before, I am not sure this moves the needle.
I hope I am wrong, but I think it is too late now, there is only a superficial rule of law in the US now, they have their brown shirts on the streets and a compliant supreme court and congress. They will try and gerrymander and twist an appearance of mid-terms but if they are not looking like being big winners they won't happen.
I think there's some hope amongst Democrats that he might agree to run for president in 2028. A hope I share.
Well, he is white and male, so that's half the qualifying criteria. Maybe him, Newsom. I'm not sure the US is ready for AOC although I would love to be wrong.
It's never a good idea to take an all-American hero on when you're on distinctly dodgy ground
It also moves the WH narrative away from Venezuela and Greenland and back to cold reality
But away from the Epstein files
On the contrary, IMHO, more like 33,000 documentary cold realities
Well, he is white and male, so that's half the qualifying criteria. Maybe him, Newsom. I'm not sure the US is ready for AOC although I would love to be wrong.
I am not sure anyone is going to be running for president in 2028.
But if it does happen, I don't really trust Newsome, he seems a bit too polished and smarmy, a bit too "professional" a politician. I think someone more relatable, more passionate frankly more real is needed. I think AOC would be good, but (and I hate to say it) at the moment they maybe need a "white knight" someone who can't have racism and sexism weaponised against a campaign, but someone who could prepare the ground for a future bid from someone like AOC. Or maybe it is time for AOC maybe the backlash against Trump and everything he stands for might be enough, if the election ever happens.
Newsom isn't the answer. He is an oily, overprivileged nepo bay of the smuggest part of the California Democratic machine. He tries to fight Trump or Trump's turf, which is a strategic disaster, as will continue to put Trump at the centre of discourse - which is when Trump and MAGA win. He is overaccommodating to the far right and will say anything on a mic.
Keep in mind that ICE aren't police. They have zero authority to detain a U.S. citizen,
This claim is not correct.
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/29/axios-explains-inside-ice-superpowers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp80ljjd5rwo
Isn't some expectation management and pragmatism in order with our hopes for Trump's replacement? I doubt the ideal candidate (whatever that might be) exists, at least not one with any hope of securing a nomination and winning. I just hope the Democrats can manage to unite behind someone who is at least vaguely competent, not a deranged narcissist and with some form of moral compass and sense of propriety. I do realise even that might be a tall order, but almost anything would be better than the shower of thunder****s in the WH at preset. The perfect is the enemy of the good enough. I really hope petty infighting and personal ambition doesn't wreck the opposition's chances as it has before.
I just never get why there’s not more pushback from the military as working for a draft dodger just seems a bit off.
I suppose it’s the office but meh…
I think the whole mask thing just does my head in on how wrong ICE is although it’s all part of the content generation for the Trump show which we mustn’t forget.
Overdoing it is all it’s about,excessive force for the cameras.
I just never get why there’s not more pushback from the military as working for a draft dodger just seems a bit off.
Overall, it's essential in a democracy to have a military that is apolitical and enacts the (legal) orders of elected officials of whatever leaning, rather than challenging them. Wishing for a military that challenges politicians is fraught with risk. The military should be a tool of government, the opposite is the stuff of banana republics and coups rather than democracy. The best we can hope for, is retired senior officers speaking out as per Mark Kelly. But whisky Pete is even trying to put a stop to that.
The perfect is the enemy of the good enough.
That's true, but offering a mealy-mouthed compromise candidate to capture Centrist floating voters is a dead electoral strategy. The Democrats need someone sane who can articulate a bold vision for how to fix everything and isn't prissy. Tim Walz should have been the candidate instead of Kamala Harris, but he's too old now. White, black, Hispanic, woman, man - whatever.
But Newsom as the anointed heir of geriatric San Francisco prissy Democratic elite - ugh. Kamala Harris came up the same way and look what that achieved!
Overall, it's essential in a democracy to have a military that is apolitical and enacts the (legal) orders of elected officials of whatever leaning, rather than challenging them.
Exactly. Otherwise you end up with current Myanmar or 80's Argentina and that's not good.
The key detail is _legal_ orders. The executive should know not to issue illegal ones, the military should have the education and the moral courage to refuse to obey the illegal ones and the judiciary should have the independence and the stones to make sure there is not a conflict between the two.
Overdoing it is all it’s about,excessive force for the cameras.
It isn't just for the cameras, it is about putting an intimidatory force on the streets, especially the streets that won't vote for you, which will ramp up considerably towards the mid-terms.
But Newsom as the anointed heir of geriatric San Francisco prissy Democratic elite - ugh. Kamala Harris came up the same way and look what that achieved
not having to fight let alone win a primary was a big issue for Harris (and that was bidens fault) whoever gets the role needs to 'earn' it
Anyone know if this is correct?
Tariffs will increase the tax burden on U.S. families by an average of $2,110 in 2026, a new study showed
^^ Sorry I don't know specifics. I've seen lots of analysis that says the US populous has not yet felt the full impact of Trump's policies, including tariffs as initially, most of the costs have been absorbed or mitigated this far. Many seem to suggest the real pain will start hitting around the time of the midterms though as the costs of trump's chaotic policies start to be passed on. Bigly...
Which could be rather awkward for Trump.
I'd like to see AOC running for VP. I also hate to say it, but a woman of colour is too big a risk.
I agree Newsom is too slick, but not sure who the male alternative is. The Dems need to show that they have learnt from past defeats.
All this assumes elections take place
God no, being VP would basically muzzle AOC, she needs to be active in political debates, VP is almost a ceremonial role. Hopefully there a few more Waltz's that don't make the news over here, proper politicians who actually care and want to make peoples lives better, that come to the forefront.
Anyway before they get to that they need to clean house and get rid of a lot of the grandees and political operators that has stifled any challenge to the consensus, who were just in it for themselves and for the power games, their Mandelson's and McSweeney's. No better time to cut loose the failed old guard and show the voters you are on the side of actual truth and justice and don't turn a blind eye just because some creep was on their side of the aisle.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6w17ykd89o
Really show that they are different because if they stay silent, or even worse circle the wagons around Clinton, it is going to be an hard sell that they are the solution.
I'd like to see AOC running for VP. I also hate to say it, but a woman of colour is too big a risk.
Strong disagree. Kamala Harris got 48.3% of the vote and was only 1.5% behind Trump despite being fairly terrible (but still preferable to Trump) in all policy and personality areas.
You can't go on excluding some of your top talent because you want to appease bigots with a friendly jovial white guy. That's how PA ended up with Fetterman, who is bonkers and wildly right wing on Israel's genocidal war. Bigots will never vote for you in the first place - and half of them don't vote anyway.
.Anyway before they get to that they need to clean house
Clean which house? This is the problem: the DNC is a small, weak institution and your influence within it is directly tied to how much money you bring in. There is no organised Opposition in the US federal system. It's just a free-floating mudbath of vaguely-aligned politicians for 2-3 years after each election.
Kinda on topic, but it looks like the EU is finally going to get the Mercosur deal done, they've also restarted and claim to be progressing well with the India deal.
Maria Mochado "the hair/heir (?) of Washington".
Made I larrrfff, anyway.
Obviously I know the answer, but what kind of cretinous narcissistical arsehole accepts a 2nd hand nobel prize, as if it was really his and earned, with a smug self satisfied grin like a spoiled brat getting a pony for christmas.
@MSP Yeah that is arguably the most rhetorical question of the year.
I mean, even the Nobel Academy said that the prize cannot be shared or given to another person. The medal is just a chunk of metal in the end, so EVERYONE knows that he didn't earn it, won't get the title by his name and sure as shit doesn't deserve it but, as it's a shiny bauble laid at his feet, he can puit it on a wall and point people to it.
Obviously I know the answer, but what kind of cretinous narcissistical arsehole accepts a 2nd hand nobel prize, as if it was really his and earned, with a smug self satisfied grin like a spoiled brat getting a pony for christmas.
"Remember children, everyone's a winner at St Barnabas'..."
He's the most destabilising force in the world since bloody Hitler and has happily admitted that he's prepared to mount a military action to seize the territory of a NATO country, but still expects a peace prize?
Ok hear me out re the Nobel Peace Prize, this may be a good thing....
Machado gives Donald her peace prize to quench his bloodlust and save the lives of untold Venezuelans
Next year she is nominated and wins another Nobel for her selfless actions and securing peace in the region
Donald suffers a massive coronary due to going into meltdown over the perceived injustice of it all.
well, one can hope
How long until he says something to the effect that "Look, she gave me the Nobel Peace Prize. Huge. Nobody’s ever seen peace like this — I did peace better than anyone. She looked around, they said, ‘This is the person who deserves it the most,’ and honestly? They were right. Total winner".
From Trump’s interview for Reuters this week, regarding the mid-terms…
“when you think of it, we shouldn't even have an election”
How long until he says something to the effect
Nah he will ignore her "giving" it to him and just start announcing he has the Nobel peace prize as well as the FIFA one. The only person ever to have both. They gave them to him, with tears in their eyes, going Sir you have done more for peace than anyone ever, even jesus. There is no war now Sir thank you. We are retiring the prizes now you have solved all wars Sir.
She's only done it so he will install her as the rightful president.
Sir you have done more for peace than anyone ever, even jesus.
Tbf I don't think Jesus stopped any wars. But otoh he didn't start any either, as far as I remember
She's only done it so he will install her as the rightful president.
That much is obvious, and she's only given him the shiny bauble, not the actual prize so as a tactic to gain his support it's probably not a bad one. Would love it if the prize committee asked for the medal back or decided to just cancel the 2025 award altogether.
Sir you have done more for peace than anyone ever, even jesus. There is no war now Sir thank you.
Given that he now has both peace prizes and has created world peace surely he has to be awarded the top prize of Miss World. Lets face it all the previous ones just wished for it, he's delivered it.
Guardian reporting that, when it comes to recipients giving away their Nobel prizes, 1943 the Norwegian writer Knut Hamsun gifted his decoration to Hitler’s propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, as a sign of his admiration for the Nazis. No mention as to whether Mr Hamsun was invited to join Quisling’s occupation government as a result of his generosity.
If you don’t like his Greenland-thang you might get tariffs. Quelle ****ing suprise….
I soooo can’t wait for his heart to stop
Would love it if the prize committee asked for the medal back or decided to just cancel the 2025 award altogether.
Prize committee have already been clear that having the medal is not the same thing as being awarded the Nobel laureate.
Tbf I don't think Jesus stopped any wars. But otoh he didn't start any either, as far as I remember
Oooohhhhh = plenty of wars in his name 🙂
Prize committee have already been clear that having the medal is not the same thing as being awarded the Nobel laureate.
I know. I just like to fantasise about the **** getting so wound up about something that he has a heart attack and pegs out.
as a sign of his admiration for the Nazis
Speaking of Nazis and Nobel prizes a far more cheerful story is what happened to Max von Laue and James Francks medals.
They sent theirs to Niels Bohr in Denmark for safe keeping rather than risk the Nazis grabbing them. When Denmark was invaded he tried to figure out what to do with them. His colleague George de Hevesy came up with the plan of dissolving them in some acids. They were then left in a nondescript beaker during the occupation.
Afterwards de Hevsey extracted the gold back out and sent it to the Nobel Foundation who then recast the medals.
Not all negative - it appears I am a decorated war hero from the 14-18 war. Well done me!
Not all negative - it appears I am a decorated war hero from the 14-18 war. Well done me!
It is, apparently I died three times in WW1.
so we're all getting tariffed because we wont let trump conquer Greenland?
He belongs in a padded cell
Just seen the news. Words, almost, fail me.
Of course, we are actually witnessing the start of the end for the US beings one of the great powers. Alienating it's allies (which should should be holding onto against an ever growing Chinese "threat") and pushing them into new appliances... In post with China.
Utterly mad and strategically as short term as you can get.
Tbf I don't think Jesus stopped any wars. But otoh he didn't start any either, as far as I remember
Oooohhhhh = plenty of wars in his name 🙂
I could start a war in your name based on some offhand comments you might or might not have made centuries ago. (Any preferred targets?). It wouldn't mean that you had started any wars.
Tbf I don't think Jesus stopped any wars. But otoh he didn't start any either, as far as I remember
Oooohhhhh = plenty of wars in his name 🙂
I could start a war in your name based on some offhand comments you might or might not have made centuries ago. (Any preferred targets?). It wouldn't mean that you had started any wars.
so we're all getting tariffed because we wont let trump conquer Greenland?
He belongs in a padded cell
I think it's safe to say Dementia-Don is well and truly off his leash and barking mad.
It's pretty easy to see why he bankrupted so many of his businesses. It's often said the those starting even the most successful businesses often come close to losing it all and ultimately it takes a good helping of good luck - and of course a good helping of intelligence.
Dementia-Don has had heaps of luck from birth, but his lack of intelligence appears to always catch up with him. I feel this may be that point too.
Keeping USA on side for purposes of Ukraine is often identified why UK and Europe have rolled over to Trumps demands, but I feel this may be the final straw - Macron and Merz may show more backbone and decide enough is enough and retaliate. Ukraine appear to be the big casualty of course.
Unless things go full dictatorship in USA very soon, I think Trump may be lucky to still be there in 3 months .. let's see
Ukraine appear to be the big casualty of course.
that's the issue, sadly its looking grimmer than ever for Ukraine
Prize committee have already been clear that having the medal is not the same thing as being awarded the Nobel laureate.
I know. I just like to fantasise about the **** getting so wound up about something that he has a heart attack and pegs out.
What do you think happens after that?
What do you think happens after that?
None of us imagine the demise of Trump will be the demise of the fascism he is leading, but nonetheless, it will still be something to celebrate.
@poopascoop What sort of appliance are we going to be forced into? Washing machine, dishwasher or tumble dryer? If forced I’d like it to be a dryer as they’re normally larger.
Oh dear Americans pay 10% then 25% more. How long do we think he'll keep it up given the effect it will have on US inflation figures?
I know I'm being stupid trying to apply any sort of logic to the bile that spews out of the orange shitgibbons mouth, but why on earth does he think that they have any sort of right to just take Greenland, or buy it, or whatever because they "need it"? Exactly how deranged do you have to be? And why arent the rest of the US government trying to reel him in? Surely there must be some politicians left there with shred of common sense/integrity? And saying that the US needs to protect Greenland from China. I'm no military expert, but I would have thought it was a logistical impossibility for the Chinese to take Greenland, even if they wanted to?
I know I'm stating the obvious, but the US interest in Greenland just looks like armed robbery/mafia 'takeover' on an epic scale.
This unsettles me (from BBC)
Starmer says the UK will pursue the matter with the US administration and adds that the position of Greenland is "a matter for the Greenlanders and the Danes"
Ukraine appear to be the big casualty of course.
that's the issue, sadly its looking grimmer than ever for Ukraine
I read Germany currently provide more military equipment than the USA does. I don't know if that means USA military equipment from Germany, or Germany produced military equipment.
Macron has appeared to take an increasingly hard line on USA; recently trying to make Ukraine purchase only European military equipment with the loans. So maybe he will convince the other countries that whilst walking away from USA will leave Europe vulnerable for awhile - Russia is pretty much as weak as they are ever going to be at the moment, there is no immediate threat from China or elsewhere. And walking away from USA now will ensure plans to develop and put in place Europe's self defense will be moved forward asap .. without the usual feet dragging and stalling Europe would be expected to do as long as their with USA.
Now's the time to walk away from Trumps USA.
This unsettles me (from BBC)
Starmer says the UK will pursue the matter with the US administration and adds that the position of Greenland is "a matter for the Greenlanders and the Danes"
As oppose to Donald and Co. He's pointing out that Greenland and Denmark negotiate any changes, before any other party gets involved, rather than some sort of "it's nothing to do with us".
This unsettles me (from BBC)
Starmer says the UK will pursue the matter with the US administration and adds that the position of Greenland is "a matter for the Greenlanders and the Danes"
As oppose to Donald and Co. He's pointing out that Greenland and Denmark negotiate any changes, before any other party gets involved, rather than some sort of "it's nothing to do with us".
Or, we're just going to let it happen.
adds that the position of Greenland is "a matter for the Greenlanders and the Danes"
So, Keir, would you describe the position of Ukraine as a "matter for the Ukrainians and the Russians"?
We need to accept that the USA is a write off for the next few years.
back to the domestic front, I guess the snazzy coat pairs well with the haircut
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qfno8h/greg_bovino_faces_protesters_at_minneapolis/
needs the imperial march over dub on that
Macron has appeared to take an increasingly hard line on USA; recently trying to make Ukraine purchase only European military equipment with the loans.
There is a rather large amount of self interest there eg how he did his best to freeze the UK out of it. I have no doubt if he could have come up with a way to block Germany as well he would have done it.
The republican politicians seem to be finding some backbone probably because the polls show very few are in favour of randomly invading former allies.
I wonder how the various police departments feel about ICE having police on their combat gear. It's not going to help community relations.
I wonder how the various police departments feel about ICE having police on their combat gear. It's not going to help community relations.
If you have any kind of hope that traditional law enforcement are likely to act against Trump and fascism, then you are going to be disappointed. We saw in the black lives protests which side the majority were on through their actions, if fact it was revealed then how many were actually members of far right groups.
I live in a quiet, peaceful city in the UK. If the police or an agent of the law asked me to do something, I just do it. If I was in America I'd be paranoid about doing it. Even I know that driving towards an armed officer in the USA is going to end up one way only.
As a countrpoint to this, I have a friend that is a police officier in a reasonably large city in Germany. He's armed (as are all German police). I got a message from him last year looking, frankly beaten up after he'd got out of hospital... Stitches in his forehead, bruising over his face and puffy eyes.
I asked him what happened and he said that he and his partner had stopped a guy in a car and that, while they were talking to him, the guy had got angry and aggressive. The long and short of it was that he'd ended up getting dragged down the road by the guy half inside the car that his partner had filled with pepper spray (hence the puffy eyes) and, when the guy slammed on the brakes, had smacked his face on the dash and split open his head. He arrested the guy and then went to Aktuen. At no point did either officer draw on the guy.
He admitted that he was pretty lucky/stupid though and I gave him shit for being stupid, but it shows the level of restraint in some armed police forces outside the US.
No one knows how they’ll react in moments like this. It’s likely next time your friend will draw a weapon and you response suggests so would you (if I’m interpreting gave him shit).
Easy to speculate how you’d react if you’ve never been in a situation that might take your life.
There is a rather large amount of self interest there eg how he did his best to freeze the UK out of it. I have no doubt if he could have come up with a way to block Germany as well he would have done it.
Yes, it's that which makes me think Macron will be pushing hard for a firm response back to Trump.
Macron is without doubt 100% for French interests before anyone else's. So he may see that Trump, like a typical bully, punishes those closest to himself the most, and feel that accepting more harsh treatment from the US is now potentially only perpetuating France/EU continued reliance .. and further punishment/blackmail.
That video of Greg Bovino is just ****ing bizarre. I don't get what the point of their little march was, where were they going, what were they doing? It just looks incredibly unprofessional. The finger pointer and demands to get out the road while they march down the middle of the road. Get out the road for what? Their little display of power, or is there actually something else to get out the way for? Why is he cosplaying as a Nazi as some commentators put it? Reminds me also of Techno viking, but without the might, or the techno (lol). All this going on while Grandad shouts insults and another consistently chanting Brrrrrrowwwwwwwn! Shirrrttttsss! Brrrrrrowwwwwwwn! Shirrrttttsss! Brrrrrrowwwwwwwn! Shirrrttttsss! Weird shit.
I think what's insane is that plenty of people will be cheering Bovino on!
In any normal reality the GOP would be completely wiped out in the Midterms, the reality is, the Dems stand a good chance of just about getting the House, but millions will still vote for Trump & it will likely come down to a few seats.
Trumps tariffs have backfired- inflated domestic prices, meanwhile China had its biggest EVER export surplus last year
His immigration policies have led to more immigrants being in work and less American born workers in jobs
Now his batshit Greenland obsession is turning into another farce that has virtually no popularity at hime
I think what's insane is that plenty of people will be cheering Bovino on!
In any normal reality the GOP would be completely wiped out in the Midterms, the reality is, the Dems stand a good chance of just about getting the House, but millions will still vote for Trump & it will likely come down to a few seats.
Trumps tariffs have backfired- inflated domestic prices, meanwhile China had its biggest EVER export surplus last year
His immigration policies have led to more immigrants being in work and less American born workers in jobs
Now his batshit Greenland obsession is turning into another farce that has virtually no popularity at hime
The only `success` the brain dead MAGA can point to is Trumps immigration policy. Seeing ICE pepper spraying or murdering `Liberals` will be all they need to see to believe things are going their way. But from now on they will start noticing his policies affecting the money in their pockets and their anxiety of accessing health care.
I don`t see Trump being able to do much more to distract them from the coming sh1t storm their going to get buried under.
Somewhere in the 'Deep state', or maybe just congress, they need to ask themselves what is least embarrassing: the damage Trump is doing to America, democracy, and the world at large. Or having Trump 'hospitalized' due to senility and utilising 25th amendment? Yes Vance is equally bad, but at the same time he does not command nearly as much political power. It's a least worst scenario of course...
That video of Greg Bovino is just ****ing bizarre. I don't get what the point of their little march was, where were they going, what were they doing?
They can't match for sh*t compared to the Wehrmacht too.
Bovino looks proper tough in the middle of a group of "armed" security.
It's properly weird pausing at the road side then storming slowly across the road.
Have we seen the latest scam yet?
^^ Ruddy hell, I mean at least try to hide the monetisation of the human despair FFS.
Board of peace .... 'mericans have such terrible spelling.
What they meant to say was 'bored of peace'.
With Witkoff, kushner Rubio and Trump chairing. Then the US will be paying $4billion for their seats.
With Witkoff, kushner Rubio and Trump chairing. Then the US will be paying $4billion for their seats.