[Closed] Donald! Trump!

Ooo Ooo Ooo..... can we hear from the people who regarded Hillary as a "warmonger" now?

is just silly

At least ninfan is just scribbling and playing a game

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39553250 ]This could be interesting[/url] ...

Of course it could all be false flag cognitive dissonance and that "hack" doesn't really mean, you know, [i]hack[/i] 😉

Tomohawks were obviously unsuited to the job

they were entirely suitable for

a showy action that appears anti-Russian but is carefully coordinated to not actually do too much damage or cause too many casualties. That would help deflect criticism, boost flagging popularity and give Russia an excuse to increase military presence

which is exactly what I thought and I don't own a tinfoil hat.

Oh, and

It's like stalking someone by following someone else around and hoping they turn up.

doffs cap in Northwind's direction.

TBH trying to make any connection between "Obama tapped my phones during the election" and "as part of a seperate investigation ordered by FISC some information was coincidentally gathered, after the election, because some of Trump's team independantly contacted persons of interest to us" is just silly. It's like stalking someone by following someone else around and hoping they turn up.

However "as part of a separate investigation ordered by FISC, some information was coincidentally gathered, this (legally gathered) information with no relevance to the FISC investigation was, in breach of usual protocols, subsequently distributed and at the request of whitehouse administration officials identities of US citizens involved were unmasked, and the intelligence further circulated widely within the intelligence community up to, and including the President"

Is a different issue.

There's two phases here:

I) the collection of the information
Ii) the handling of the information collected

It's perfectly obvious that the first phase can be legal, reasonable, even mundane, while the second phase could be the exact opposite.

ninfan - Member

However "as part of a separate investigation ordered by FISC, some information was coincidentally gathered, this (legally gathered) information with no relevance to the FISC investigation was, in breach of usual protocols, subsequently distributed and at the request of whitehouse administration officials identities of US citizens involved were unmasked, and the intelligence further circulated widely within the intelligence community up to, and including the President"

I notice you didn't actually finish the sentence, so let me:

...is still nothing at all like "Obama tapped my phone during the election"

Did we ever get a copy of Obama's birth certificate?

Did we ever get a copy of Obama's birth certificate?

Yes they did and discovered that he's a US citizen by birth so quietly slunk off and let everyone forget about it rather than admit they were wrong.

@whitestone, it was a rhetorical question... 😆

Head 'em off at the pass!

[img] [/img]

Yes they did and discovered that he's a US citizen by birth so quietly slunk off and let everyone forget about it rather than admit they were wrong.

So Trump's travel costs in 10 weeks is the same as Obama's for two years, not exactly value for money.

^^^^^

Golf club cum missile command centre innit- tbh the mind boggles.

Now he's found the button that improves popularity doesn't bode well 🙁

Golf club cum missile

I don't think I've seen that one. Who's in it?

That's the trail that starts near the top of boner?

From Frankie Boyle's facebook page:

Nothing more perfectly embodies White America than a 70 year old golfer firing missiles at the Middle East from his country club. Some sticks in the mud probably expect a host of formalities to be gone through before attacking another country: a UN investigation, or congressional approval perhaps, but personally I'm just glad to see a guy with the temperament of a mistreated circus animal launching ballistic missiles on a hunch. It seems statesmanlike and decisive.

[url=

full thing[/url] is worth a read. (It's not pure anti-Trump - he is equally derisive of Hillary and the Democrats).

Not of vital international importance, but i'm positive there was a photo of Trump apparently having shit himself whilst wearing cream trousers on a golf course recently - anyone else see it or was it actually fake news? 😕

Edit: think it was a piss take - too good to be true 😆

[img] ?w=840[/img]

I can just imagine what the other guy is saying to trump

"Don't worry big guy, we all follow through every now and then - no biggy so lets go back to the clubhouse and fire off a few cruise missiles to take your mind off it"

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39572902 ]Even Hitler Didn't use chemical weapons[/url]..... er are you sure ? And no we didn't use chemical weapons either but we sure did nuke their arse!

Spicer is beyond stupid

Trump's definitely got the finest minds in the business on his team

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/libya-partition-sebastian-gorka-aide-donald-trump-us-administration-map-plan-three-napkin-a7676346.html ]Sebastian Gorka 'tried to partition Libya into three by drawing map on a napkin'

[/url]

er are you sure ?

Well, yes, Zyklon B was a commercially available pesticide rather than a weaponised chemical agent

we sure did nuke their arse!

We nuked Hitler?

no barrel so low you wont scrape it

What? By answering a question with a factual answer?

Get over yourself Junky

Well, yes, Zyklon B was a commercially available pesticide rather than a weaponised chemical agent

Agemt Orange was a herbicide, it's still a chemical weapon.

Can't wait for Jamba's response to Spicers comments above.

its all gone a bit 'falling down' in the white house, which is ironic when it was angry white men that put him there

[img] [/img]

awaits sebastian gorka's response

Well, yes, Zyklon B was a commercially available pesticide rather than a weaponised chemical agent

Until, you know, it was weaponised.

I think we've reached peak ninfan 🙄 I'm not sure who's more ridiculous out of ninfan and Spicer. Hilarious/terrifying in equal measure.

A pesticide that was labelled as poison gas, let's not quibble here it was used as a chemical weapon. No grey areas.

Zyklon B was a commercially available pesticide rather than a weaponised chemical agent

Chlorine has many legitimate uses. That didnt stop it from being classified as a chemical weapon though when it is used as, ermm, a chemical weapon.
Thats why the Chemical Weapons convention has three different classifications for chemicals. schedule 1 for those which dont have any real use outside weapons vs schedule 2 and 3 which do.
Use a schedule 2/3 chemical as a weapon and saying it was originally manufactured for something else wouldnt get you to far.

ninfan do you never read your posts back and wonder WTF went wrong in your life that leads you to be doing pathetically pedantic (but wrong) trolling about Zyklon B on the internet. Really...

he craves attention and by being outrageous he gets it

Like Grum I think its a bit tragic as he is clearly a bright fella, albeit with some glaring issues, he likes to wash publicly and often.

SPicer at least gets paid for talking shite and sayng things he does not mean - heck Spicer may have even thought it was true but Ninfan did it all for Internet notoriety and a reaction....preferably an emotive one as that is how he gets his kicks....as i said this is a shame

Fritz Haber pioneered the use of chlorine gas during the first word war and went on to develop gases to be used as pesticides in the early 20s, these were eventually developed further into the zyklon process which the nazis used in their gas chambers.

Here was a Jew who was responsible for his own wife's suicide as she despaired at his work, the deaths of millions of Jews due to his work on weaponised gases yet he also invented the Haber-Bosch process of nitrogen production which revolutionised agriculture and led to a population boom throughout the 20 century.

Chlorine has many legitimate uses. That didnt stop it from being classified as a chemical weapon though when it is used as, ermm, a chemical weapon

Congratulations, you've successfully figured out that a weaponised chemical agent is a chemical weapon, as I said.

Edit: Another post obsessing about me that doesn't actually discuss any of the points of the thread Junky? You appear to be turning into Ernie.

I think we can all agree to never reply to any comment from the above poster on this thread again.

Nothing would annoy him more than being ignored

Go on then Junky - bet you a tenner to charity that you can't resist the temptation to post about me or respond to one of my posts for the next month.

told you it would annoy him

Well, isn't this thread just chock full of win tonight.

I find myself wondering what shibboleth is doing these days. He surely must be due for a return soon...

Well I'm finding it great that we seem to have front row seats down here in Oz as he redirects the fleet to Korea in time for the anniversary of the N Korea guy. Some days you wonder who is doing the provoking.

Meanwhile the Democrats have worked out that tax returns are still relevant as Trump seems to reject tax changes that would hurt him personally. Definitely no conflict of interest there.

ninfan - Member
er are you sure ?
Well, yes, Zyklon B was a commercially available pesticide rather than a weaponised chemical agent

ninfan - Member
Congratulations, you've successfully figured out that a weaponised chemical agent is a chemical weapon, as I said.

So your second point..... is that your first point is invalid? That the distinction between a chemical weapon and a weaponized chemical is not worth making? I think the rest of us skipped ahead to that part in our heads without needing to argue about it on the internet.

As a rule of thumb - by all means bring that level of pedantry to debates about tyre-choice, or aeroplanes on treadmills. But at the point that you are applying it to the (fairly recent) murder of 6.5 million human beings.... you should probably step away from the keyboard and examine your moral compass. You sir, are trolling in a conversation about the holocaust.

mikewsmith - Member
Well I'm finding it great that we seem to have front row seats down here in Oz as he redirects the fleet to Korea in time for the anniversary of the N Korea guy. Some days you wonder who is doing the provoking.

China will step in soon before the fireworks to calm things down. As China has managed to "negotiate a trade deal" without even asking. Don't care what carrier group USA has in that region if there is a war few will be sunk. Definitely Not good for publicity ... all better sit down to talk trade.

Meanwhile the Democrats have worked out that tax returns are still relevant as Trump seems to reject tax changes that would hurt him personally. Definitely no conflict of interest there.

Job Specification - Press Secratary
Be able to communicate clearly
Be able to express ideas at the first opportunity not over 3 attempts
Not have been tutored by Ken Livingston
Understand what words mean
Know when to shut up

Alternativly role would suit internet troll who is happy to try their luck in the public space.

Remember at your darkest moments, at least your not Sean Spicer.

Indeed.

He's so bad at it that I suspect it's now deliberate that he's being kept in role - starve the press of genuine information by putting a circus clown in front of them.

It works fine until you spokesman accidentally becomes a holocaust denier - at that point maybe its clear that you need somebody a little bit brighter at the podium.

What absolutely baffles me is that the question of intervention in Syria was obviously going to be the main focus of the conference, which means:
a) He decided that this is what he was going to say beforehand - "yep, I'm definitively going to bring up Hitler"
b) He went in completely unprepared, and made something up on the spot

I'm inclined to think it was B.

Edit: I do feel a bit sorry for Spicer..... standing-up in front of the press and trying to make sense of whatever latest guff The Donald is spewing is probably the most difficult job on the planet.